Writing in your candidates name if they are not the nominee is childish

[Debi]

and selfish. The Party will need all of us in order to win up and down the ticket in November. Why supporters of ONE candidate would throw this election because THEIR candidate didn't win the nomination is myopic and disrespectful of all their fellow Democrats. What nonsense and game playing. What spoiled brats.

[gateley]

1. Well I've been known to be childish - but I'm not into shooting myself in the

foot. I would only hurt myself and the country if I wrote somebody in. My vote is for us, and against the Repubs - not necessarily an enthusiastic endorsement of whoever the candidate may be.

And if the Repubs win the election, I wonder how proud these people would feel then? This is an issue that infuriates me.

Thank god WE'RE mature, Debi! :hi:

[Debi]

6. What babies!

:hug: I miss you!

[gateley]

17. Ditto!

:hug:

[LadyVT]

26. these are insults

[Debi]

37. Then don't read them

Or put us on ignore and you won't have to read them.

Not supporting the choice of the majority of Democrats as our nominee is selfish and destructive to the Party.

That's an insult.

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[roguevalley]

2. thanks, mom.

[Debi]

7. Now go clean your room

and don't just shove everything under the bed and tell me it's clean. I'll look.

[roguevalley]

23. BWAHAHAHAHA! Ok. :-D

[johan helge]

3. Hear, hear! (nt)

[Debi]

8. Thank you n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

4. Yup.

[Debi]

9. How are you ?

:hug:

[TAWS]

5. If they do writein, they better not complain about Nader in 2000 n/t

[Debi]

11. If it's an orgainzed effort their candiate will never have a second chance

at the nomination.

[NastyRiffraff]

10. I will unenthusiastically vote for Obama if he's the nominee

And cheer wildly for a DEMOCRATIC win in November. I can't cheer for Obama himself, but I'll be shouting my throat raw for democracy.

[Debi]

13. Doesn't matter who the nominee is - our Senators and members of Congress

and Democratic Governors and State Legislators NEED us to go out and VOTE Democrat.

[katty]

12. is this an issue NOW?

[Debi]

14. Just read about it on another thread n/t

[elocs]

15. As far as elections go, Republicans tend to be more pragmatic than Democrats.

As far as a presidential election goes, Republicans more than Democrats seem to understand that the winner and next president will either be a Republican or a Democrat. Even if their nominee is not their own personal, perfect choice, Republicans will rally around that person and vote for him (Republicans seem to only have "hims").

Democrats seem to be more noble and self righteous concerning their own personal choice of candidate and they congratulate themselves on their perceptiveness and insights into the truth. They just cannot understand how the rest of us can be so blind and they are more than willing to bite their noses off to spite their faces, teaching us a lesson. They will either write in their candidates name of take their ball home and refuse to vote.

There is no way around it no matter how much one may want to philosophize or justify their choice not to vote for the Democratic nominee: not voting for the Democrat helps the Republican. No matter how imperfect you may consider the Democrat to be, that person is better than the Republican, especially when it comes to choices for the Supreme Court which will impact the country for decades.

So whomever the Democratic Party's nominee may be, I pledge to support and vote for that person and I will not pout if my candidate does not win the nomination. It is very, very important to have a Democratic president, especially if the Democrats do not have veto proof majorities in Congress.

[Debi]

18. Wonderful post!

:hi:

[gateley]

21. Excellent post! Save it to your journal because I have a feeling we may need

to see your wisdom posted again a few times before the election.

Thanks!! :headbang:

[NMMNG]

16. Last time I checked this was still a democracy

I'll do whatever the hell I want. You can't make me vote for your candidate at the point of a gun or just because you rant on a message board. Sorry, but the "Unity" candidate and (some) of his nasty supporters have made it clear that he has no need for this lesbian, atheist, Gen-X, college-educated(yet still undereducated), white, obsolete, marginal, racist, religion-hating, child-free, irrelevant voter. He and said supporters have managed to alienate me and a good number of others. So you can make do without me




And if I get banned from DU for this message it doesn't mean I've disappeared from the world. I still exist, and I'm still not voting for Obama. Furthermore there are many more out there like me. Just some food for thought.

[slick8790]

19. That's ok!

There's millions of independents and disgruntled republicans to make up for you! :hi:

[Debi]

20. I would never hold a gun to a person's head - that's revolting

You go ahead and be as selfish as you want.

All of Democracy revolves around you.

[NMMNG]

27. Call me selfish all you want

I'm sticking up for my personal ethics and values, which will not allow me to vote for Obama.

[Debi]

30. Okay, you're selfish - great personal ethics

:thumbsup:

[NMMNG]

34. That's your take on it

But mine is that I'm not a hypocrite.

[Debi]

39. And it's all about you. n/t

[NMMNG]

45. That's your take on it

Funny how you're voting for the whole world, but I'm only voting for myself. :eyes:

[Debi]

113. I will be voting with the Democratic Party

you will be thinking only of yourself.

[NMMNG]

114. I'm thinking of the people who don't want to be fucked over by Obama

Who are you thinking about?

[Debi]

116. Please show me where in his plans for America

he proposes 'fucking over' BuffytheFundieSlayer.

[NMMNG]

120. You're so cute when you have nothing.

:rofl:

[Debi]

136. I'm waiting for you to show me where he's going to 'fuck' YOU over

Please educate me on his policies that, when enacted, will 'fuck' you.

John McCain's policies must be so much better for you.

I guess the republican agenda won't 'fuck' you over.

[NMMNG]

142. It's not about me, as much as you're trying to make it out to be

But you keep thinking that way if it helps you feel better. I have gotten past the point of caring.

[Debi]

143. Go back and read your responses in this thread

It started out being all about you.

[NMMNG]

144. Wrong

But keep thinking about it that way if you like. :hi:

[Debi]

146. Okay...to quote you

"I'll do whatever the hell I want."

[NMMNG]

151. And?

You're doing what you want, aren't you? And if you aren't then who are you allowing to beat you into submission, and to whose ideals?

I'm doing what is right according to my conscience and my ethics. I'll not be browbeaten into voting for a candidate I believe is bad for a large contingent of society and the country at large. If you don't like that I really don't give a damn. Enough people here have made it abundantly clear they don't give a flying fart about the things that matter so why should I?

[Debi]

154. What is it with you and violence? Guns being pointed at people's heads

beating people into submission, browbeating.

Whatever is going on with you personally has nothing to do with voting.

[NMMNG]

156. There you go again trying to make it personal

And I've given up attempting to reason with you as you've proven to be impervious to it. Don't bother replying as I will not read or answer.

[Debi]

158. I'm not the one who continues to envision violence in my responses

to posts on a message board.

Just weird.

[Jamastiene]

161. Live a life with violence directed at you for a while

THEN call someone weird. Until then, you are just a snob who doesn't care about this country. You Obama people have earned this scorn. Enjoy President McCain. Remember, your attitude and the way you've treated Democrats is the reason that is going to happen. Good bye.

[Debi]

163. Okay,

:hi: make sure you put me on ignore if you are saying you're going to do it.

FWIW I never said I was an Obama supporter, but you live in whatever little fantasy world you want to.

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[Debi]

164. You have no idea what you are talking about or who you are talking to

but you just keep going.

And I'll provide you the link to the rules one more time:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detai...

[NMMNG]

165. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see

And trust me, this one refuses to see.

[femrap]

61. No Debi....you're the center of the universe....

honest. You are the be-all and know-all for all of the democratic party. You're Debi! And you can insult everyone who doesn't agree with you because you are self-centered and wear blinders to others. You will save the democratic party...Yes, you can. BELIEVE! CHANGE IS THE ONLY CONSTANT.

Debi says UNITY, DAMN IT. Now unify or I will insult you. I am Debi. Yes, I can.

[SammyWinstonJack]

72. !

:applause: These guilt trips really are getting tiresome. :boring:

[femrap]

84. I didn't know I was supposed to

feel guilty...I thought I was supposed to feel 'Unity!'

Yes we can...blue state native! It's like we're living in a Huxley or Orwell book, huh?

[SammyWinstonJack]

101. 'Unity' I doubt they know the meaning. It doesn't mean what they think it does.

And yes I can chose to not vote for the Dem nominee. I will vote for the rest of the candidates on the ballot. Oh and I didn't see a lot of "unity" when the media was ignoring Kucinich and Edwards, by the Obama supporters.

[femrap]

109. I hadn't thought of 'unity' in that way...

Some of these BO fans are looking at this 'race' as something to 'win.' They're missing the fact that our nation is facing complete disaster.

Damn MSM...wonder if BO wants to break up that monopoly? Without a Free Press, there is no democracy.

Take care...Blue State Native

[NMMNG]

111. It's only Unity if you unite with them

Otherwise you're to eff off and die, you selfish twit. :sarcasm:

[Debi]

112. You just can't let me go can you?

Everywhere I post you follow and try to start a fight.

That's a grown up thing to do.

I know that I am thinking of the Democratic Party when I say that I won't go out on my own journey but follow the will of the majority if the Democratic voters when I vote in November.

I know that it's about OUR Party as a whole and not one individual voter.

Our nominee must be successful in order for any of us individually to be successful.

But you do whatever you please. If President McCain will help you reach your goals better than a Democrat in the White House then you go right ahead and write your chosen candidate's name in.

[Jamastiene]

152. Yeah, that's what followers do.

The rest of us use our voting rights to vote for who we feel is best. If it's not the Democrat this time, oh well. The rest of you can think about how you have acted while we all sit under President McCain. You have alienated the rest of the party with your "my way or the highway" attitude. Hope you are proud of yourself. Must kill you that you cannot MAKE us vote as you wish based on your whims. I'll be waiting with the "We told you so" in November.

[Name removed]

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[Debi]

115. Thank you for reading and abiding by the DU rules

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

[gateley]

22. My question is - if the Repubs get the WH, will you have the right to complain?

I agree with what you say about your right - but your opinion may affect so many others....

[rodeodance]

24. our liberal democracy was and is an experiment.

[gateley]

40. Yeah - I don't want to give up because we've gotten so close at times.... nt

[femrap]

64. But Debi will save us.

Unity through insults.

[rodeodance]

105. lecturing never turned me on.

[NMMNG]

28. As I see it we're fucked whether Obama or the Rethugs get the WH

So what's the difference?

[gateley]

38. "100 years in Iraq" for starters.... nt

[Horse with no Name]

128. Yet many THINK that an obama presidency will affect us too

Why can't folks just use their vote the way THEY want and leave everyone else to do as THEY wish with theirs?

[femrap]

56. you forgot the middle aged

women...oh that's right...we're invisible after 50.

[NMMNG]

66. We're tossed aside after 30 or so now

Get out of the way, it's time for the young-uns to lead.

[femrap]

80. Ever see 'Soylent Green?'

Charleton Heston was in it. I never see it as reruns. It should be a cult film by now.

[NMMNG]

85. Yep

We're ready for the SG hoppers right now it seems. Either that or they're about to go Logan's Run on us, if you know what I mean. ;-)

[femrap]

86. Was Logan's Run on TV? I don't remember.

I can still see Edward G. Robinson watching the movie of the beautiful trees, mountains, etc. before he was toasted!

Makes ya want to get off the gird and have a garden!

[NMMNG]

93. It was

I watched it when I was a wee one.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0075527/


I might just start a small garden come Spring. Some home-grown veggies would be nice.

[femrap]

110. I grew some squash a few years back...

it was fabulous...spread across the yard. I wish the bugs wouldn't bite me though...I oxidize faster than most so the bugs love me.

1977 was a busy year for me....graduated from college and then drove cross country and set up my new life in N. CA. Wow...those were the days! I didn't watch much TV then, but I did remember the name.

[cali]

87. what a crock. I'm a middle aged woman

and I'm a grown up. I'll vote for whoever the dem nominee is because I have a responsibility to my family, my friends, my state, my country and the world. I don't care much for Hillary Clinton, but I'll vote for her if she's the nominee. Oh, and I don't care much for quite a few of her supporters here, but I'm not stupid enough to let that influence me. And no, I don't feel invisable at all.

[MagickMuffin]

59. You are absolutely right you don't have to vote, but what a waste

I have felt the same way about Hillary supporters, and not at Hillary herself.

But I'll be damned if I will be responsible for McLameBrain winning in November. After all I'm almost certain McLameBrain will be concerned about your issues of being a lesbian, atheist, Gen-X, college-educated(yet still undereducated), white, obsolete, marginal, racist, religion-hating, child-free, irrelevant voter.

Are you implying you are a racist?.?.?:shrug:

Who knows how many appointments the Supreme Court may have coming up after the new president takes office. Of course any of the issues that may face their court apparently means nothing to you. Good Luck with the GLBT community, or the atheist community,


But suit yourself, it appears that is your only objective.:cry:


I'm Voting for OUR DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE NOVEMBER, WHOEVER IT TURNS OUT TO BE.

[NMMNG]

70. It may be a waste

But I can't vote against my conscience. I can't cast a vote for Obama.

But I'll be damned if I will be responsible for McLameBrain winning in November. After all I'm almost certain McLameBrain will be concerned about your issues of being a lesbian, atheist, Gen-X, college-educated(yet still undereducated), white, obsolete, marginal, racist, religion-hating, child-free, irrelevant voter.

Are you implying you are a racist?.?.?

I've been called a racist, among other things, because I don't approve of Obama. In fact most of the things on that list were things I was called because I voiced disapproval of Obama. So much for "unity".

[MagickMuffin]

102. So, be it then, you let your conscience decide the election

But if McLameBrain wins, he will set the agenda and probably determine if you should be allowed to be free.

I'll promise to visit you in jail, just let me know where you will be located.

I don't want to vote for Hillary, especially because of her supporters, but I WILL if she is the nominee. The Constitution and the Supreme Court mean WAY to much for me to sit it out, period.

And I will NOT let the supporters of Hillary taint my vote because of some of the things I've heard spewed by her supporters.

Whoever called you a racist because you voiced disapproval for Obama, ARE JERKS.

BTW, I use to have a lot of gay friends who are all now deceased because of AIDS complications. I will be voting with them in mind come November.

[NMMNG]

108. That's quite interesting

But if McLameBrain wins, he will set the agenda and probably determine if you should be allowed to be free.

I'll promise to visit you in jail, just let me know where you will be located.

I don't recall McCain saying anything about putting LGBT people in prisons, though I may have missed it.

Nonetheless, any time LGBT people make the slightest reference to being proselytized to or targeted by "Ex-Gay" ministries should Obama get the presidency the Obama supporters scream that we're being a bunch of hyperbole spewing, hand-wringing, overwrought whiners. So how is your prediction any different?



Ultimately if prisons/camps/LGBT conversion projects become a requirement under any president nobody need worry about coming to visit me. I've never held a gun in my life but I'll learn to use one so I can put a bullet in my head before they can haul me off to such a place.

[cali]

83. LOL! Great petulance

on display. You're the poster child for the OP. Thanks for being an illustration.

[NMMNG]

95. You're the poster child for...

well, I can't say it here, but you're it.

[bpeale]

94. great post! i don't take the bait from "my way or the highway" supporters either

[NMMNG]

96. Thank you

There is no such thing as democracy at gunpoint.

[Jamastiene]

149. Seconded.

Wish I could nominate your post. :thumbsup:

[NMMNG]

157. Thanks

My advice to you though: Don't attempt to reason with the OP. It's a losing battle.

[IA_Seth]

174. Um, just a clarification...

"no need for this lesbian, atheist, Gen-X, college-educated(yet still undereducated), white, obsolete, marginal, racist, religion-hating, child-free, irrelevant voter"

So are you admitting to being racist here? I mean, I am assuming you are labeling yourself as all of these other things given the context of your message.. so why throw in racist?

Freudian what?

[cd3dem]

176. Honor cannot be bought or sold out!

“I really tried to never do anything I don't believe in, so I don't want to change it now. I really don't,”

--Paul Wellstone

[LadyVT]

25. I can't, in good conscience, vote for Obama--would you prefer

I vote for McCain?

Supposing that the only two candidates left in the general election both were opposed to something you held sacred, your genuine true values. Would you vote for either of them?

[gateley]

29. I can't in good conscience NOT vote for the Dem. candidate. And not voting

for the Dem candidate is akin to voting for the Rep.

There are things about both of these candidates that I find absolutely unacceptable. HOWEVER, I am willing to vote for the nom because our country's future is at stake and I have a very real fear if the Repubs retain the WH, we're done for.

It's not easy, but I wouldn't find it easy to not try to fight. I can't imagine how disappointed I'd be in myself if the Repugs DO win and I did nothing to try to stop it.

But that's me and you're you, so we're not going to change each others' minds.

Peace.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. I Am Leaving The Presidential Ballot Blank

First time in twenty eight years of voting I will not be pulling the Democratic lever at any level...When you empower a candidate you are empowering his or her supporters and that's not something I can foist on the republic...I will vote against the God awful anti-gay marriage amendment that made its way onto to the Florida ballot...Ironically the people Obama brought out with his McClurkin gambit makes it more likely it will pass...

Surprisingly I had this conversation with some of my friends on a neutral board... There are many of us who don't like McCain but are underwhelmed about Obama and especially his supporters... They are not doing him any favors...

[Debi]

33. That really is a selfish act n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. I Think Some Of His Supporters Are Dangerous

I see parallels between his supporters and the supporters of movements that ended up quite badly for millions and millions of innocent people...

There is something scary about a movement that promises to unite us while many of its members are demonizing the opposition...

[Debi]

47. As long as you feel that John McCain and his supporters are better

for America then you should feel good about your actions. (Or lack of action)

[NMMNG]

49. I agree

Just look at the "if you're not with us you're a selfish fucker who is only interested in yourself" attitude right here in this thread.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

58. The Self Righteousness And The Willingness To Squash The Opposition Is Scary...

I'm not being hyperbolic...They scare me... I don't think there is anything Obama could say or do his followers wouldn't countenance...We have checks and balances in our government but I am still concerned...

I have never seen Democrats show such contempt for other Democrats...

[NMMNG]

65. They scare me too

I've said more than once that he could eat pureed kittens on stage and they'd excuse it (and that's only a small exaggeration). Their veneration of him has become similar to that of the hardcore neocons and GWB. We know what that led to. :scared:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

71. I Don't Feel The Disdain Of The Bushies Because They Were Never My Allies In The First Place

The attacks from other Democrats, my erstwhile allies, is like a kick in the mouth...

I never demonized other Democrats and their supporters the way the Obama people have demonized other Democrats and their supporters...

I never voted Pug, not even for sheriff!!! I didn't pull the Democratic lever for Secretary Of Agriculture in FL in 98 because the Democratic candidate crossed party lines to endorse Jeb Bush...That's how much being a Democrat means to me...But I can not in good conscience vote for Obama...Some, not all by any means, represent a mortal threat...

[NMMNG]

79. It's definitely worse coming from within one's own party

But it's helped me wake up to the fact that to a large extent the Democratic party really doesn't reflect my values any longer. It may be time for us to start seeing other people.

[femrap]

73. Who knew that the dem party was

filled with a bunch of sheep, too??? Maybe they'll wear little blue shirts this time around.

W has had 7 years to set the example...he is mean, he lies, he's stupid, he's insulting....and people follow the example of their leaders. Even the really, really shitty ones. No civility. No brains. Just stupid little sheep. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

I find them amusing...I don't think he can hold their attention for very long. He'll break their hearts in time.

[NMMNG]

81. I'm reminded of an Afterschool Special I saw eons ago

I'm rather wondering if the results of this election and the results of that show will be similar.

At any rate, they deserve what they get, whatever it may be.

[Debi]

32. If you can sit there comfortably knowing that without your vote

John McCain and all his ilk could be the next President of the United States than you go ahead and stay home.

If a republican leader of our country, one who wants to continue this war, one who cares little for the poor and the homeless, one who has no interest in equality for all individuals will end up our President because YOU just could not vote for the Democratic nominee so be it.

At least you kept your genuine values intact.

It's all about you.

I'll comfortably vote for the Democratic nominee - neither are my first choice but both are far better than the alternative. And easily my values are still intact.

[nookiemonster]

41. Succinct.

Thank you.

:)

[onenote]

74. elections really are a zero sum game

If you don't vote for the Democratic candidate, you are helping McCain. Put it this way: if you aren't going to vote for McCain, do you think McCain would rather have you vote for the Democratic candidate or not vote at all?

[Bucky]

35. Translation: your opinions are childish, unless you agree with me

People get to vote for whoever they like. It's called democracy, Debi. I think they taught you about that in school.

[AX10]

42. Yes.

Vote for whom you want.

[Debi]

43. Once the nominee is chosen we need to gather together in support of said nominee

Or would you rather the republican win? After all, it's democracy and people get to vote for whoever they like.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

50. That's Democratic Centralism Which Isn't Really Small (D) Democratic At All

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_centralism

[Bucky]

54. Translation: a vote for Edwards in February is a vote for McCain in November

Debi, it's really going to be okay. What happens now makes us stronger for the general election.

[LadyVT]

57. Yep.

[Iris]

36. You may think it's childish and selfish, but I for one do not think it is a right to be written off

so lightly.

No pun intended.

[tinrobot]

46. It's only childish if you write it in crayon.

I personally like using a fountain pen.

[Bucky]

62. I'm going to cast my vote for Obama using wooden spelling blocks

[femrap]

77. lol! thanks. nt

[backscatter712]

48. I will vote for the winner of the greatest number of pledged delegates.

Hopefully, the Democratic Party will still have enough brain cells functioning to make the winner of the most pledged delegates the official nominee, but if he or she isn't, I'll write him or her in this November.

If you don't like it, suck it.

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[NMMNG]

52. Beautiful

:applause:


I swear some of these O-bots just will never understand how they're turning people off with their constant harassment.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

69. Debi is certainly over 25 years old.

I believe she has a teen-aged child.

[Debi]

121. Thank you SA

:hi:

I am and I do.

(The poster is getting very close to being a thread-stalker and seems to be slightly obsessed with finding theads I've started or posted on and starting a fight with me).

How silly.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

123. You're welcome.

:hi:

<----- 27 y/o cult member. ;)

[Debi]

119. Thank you for reading and abiding by DUs rules

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detailed.html

And thank you for hitting ignore - now maybe you'll quit following me around this site just to try to start an argument.

[NanBo]

55. I agree and thank you

In a democracy, compromise is required. It's not always pretty. It means our candidates are always going to be less than perfect as they have to work with the system--we're not voting for a dictator here.

Neither Obama or Clinton are anywhere close to perfect but they're a hell of a lot better than the alternative and if you can't see that, you probably don't belong on a site called Democratic Underground. If you believe YOUR candidate is perfect, you're simply blind-sighted by your passion, I don't care which candidate it is you support. If you're so idealistic that your conscience requires you to wait for that perfect candidate, you don't belong in a political discussion--cuz it ain't gonna happen--ever.

The candidate you believe is perfect, will let you down eventually, until you accept that he or she is human and working within a challenging form of government. He or she will never be able to accomplish all that you want cuz it's not all about you or me.

I will vote for the democratic nominee as I have done for 32 years. None of them were ideally perfect, but they were the best there was offered at the time.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

60. Agreed.

Not voting/going third party/etc is exceedingly lame--does it really prove a point?

[flyarm]

63. i guess you obama followers should have thought of that when you were so damn rude!

no thanks..i will not vote for Obama..no way no how..are you happy now?

i will write in Edwards and i know lots of dems who feel the same!

fly

[DemocratSinceBirth]

68. Here's A Sampling... Why Should I Empower People Like This?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4701504

[Jamastiene]

153. I DEFINITELY won't be voting for Obama after reading that.

These people are worse that the Bush Sheeple. Now, THAT is saying something.

[Umbram]

166. You and the poster you are replying to are obviously too immature to be voting.

You managed to find idiots that support a candidate.
As a result of finding said idiots, you will not vote for the candidate they support.

Honestly, I've never heard anything so stupid in my life.

If this is the height of your reasoning ability - it would be best if you stay home regardless of who our nominee is.

[SammyWinstonJack]

78. I won't vote for Obama either. I will write in Edwards also.

[no name no slogan]

67. And if you insist, at least SPELL IT CORRECTLY

that's M-E-R-C-E-R.

/ i keed, i keed

[Debi]

122. Thank you for that!

:rofl:

[paperbag_ princess]

75. the republicans are also better at waiting their turn

Imho we had a great candidate that everyone could rally behind and take it to the Republicans and shove it up their rear ends....but she wasn't good enough....


soooooooo some of us found a candidate with practically the exact same positions on the issue ...and little experience...but he can deliver a great line of speech and pushed him to the front and all the lemmings fell behind...and now we have a spilt primary where either the first woman or the first black man has to lose....Great freakin idea

I would personally call that selfish....but I guess that doesn't count because no one has "earned the right" or "deserves" the presidency...and it is ridiculous to "stand in line"....

So we either act like a cohesive team all the time....or we act like the herd of cats that we are....but you can not say that everyone has to get in line behind the line jumper....just because he is your choice.

We wasted a beautiful opportunity for a Clinton/Obama ticket and a perfect balance of experience and inspiration and a 16 year reign of power.

[backscatter712]

118. In other words, you want a coronation.

How dare we uppity voters actually try exercising our voice as to who gets to represent us in our party.

You'd rather have had Clinton take her crown unchallenged, while Obama's pushed to the back of the bus.

Sorry that the voters aren't seeing things your way. Wait, scratch that, I'm not sorry.

[paperbag_ princess]

169. I didn't say that at all

If you are going to enforce party discipline then it has to be all or nothing...

If it is a complete free for all to determine who runs for the nomination then it has to remain a free for all throughout the process. You can't expect party discipline only at the end...when it benefits your candidate of choice.

You need to shut your mouth with that "back of the bus" insinuation...this is not about skin color...it is about party discipline and grooming candidates for the best possible good of the party. There is a reason that the republicans have been beating us pretty much my whole lifetime...it is not because they have better ideas or that they are better for the country...it is because they work as a team and are disclipined...

Your are right that voters are not seeing it my way..but the argument on this thread is that I have to now see it their way....well that is just not the way it works.

Like I said previously....we either work together as a team throughout the whole process...or we just accept and embrace that we are a herd of cats...and live with the results whatever they may be...

[Debi]

125. I love your screen name

I buy The Paperbag Princess book for friends when they have a baby girl.

[IA_Seth]

175. And she loves it!

Lol, as does my nephew, who always says Prince Ronald is MEEEEAAAN.

Thanks again!

[Debi]

177. Aarrgghhh

Thanks for resurrecting this thread :banghead:

Glad to hear she likes it! (she's reading already?):loveya:

[KoKo]

76. Nope...it's my vote...so I can do what I want with it. It's supposed to be a Democracy

even if it's a Republic. We have two strong Candidates. This is ONE YEAR...that I can really choose.

I have an active slate of Progressive Democrats running in myy State...I can't wait to vote for them!

I don't really like either Obama or Hillary. So...I might have to sit this one out for Pres. and just vote for my Dem Governor running and the rest.

[lachattefolle]

82. EXCUSE ME, some Obama supporters have stated on this board

that he is bringing in so many new voters that youall won't miss us Hillary supporters. This is the first time I checked in today and yours the first message, yet another clumsy attempt to goad and guilt us to come over to your side. I don't know about others, but as for me, the more someone exorts me to do something I don't really want to do, the more I dig my heels in. I've posted in the past about us coming together in the fall to vote for the nominee, but I swear every post like yours I read, or post demanding Senator Clinton drop out (ludicrous when she is barely 100 delegates behind Senator Obama), or every time I remember Senator Obama announcing that he was certain of her supporters switching their votes to him, but couldn't guarantee his would switch to her, well, keep it up and I'll be sitting home in November.
I will perhaps not be posting here again. Like Buffy said though, if I'm gone, it doesn't mean I've disappeared. As for my family, although I know there are those who claim to not give a hoot about anedoctal evidence unless it supports their candidate, I can report that my husband and both of my young adult children have stated they are voting for Hillary or McCain. They are registered Independents and I don't control their thought processes or their votes. Most of my neighbors say their first choice is Senator Clinton, followed by Senator McCain, except the Republicans, who plan to vote for McCain. Maybe, probably, you don't give a damn, but we are in Arizona, not a safe blue state.
Voters don't cause a candidate to lose elections. Candidates either win or fail on their own merits coupled with the persuasive arguments put forward by themselves and their supporters.
Thanks to the many gracious Obama supporters on this board. And you, poster, your piece wasn't nearly as offensive as many others I've read this past week, but for some reason I have felt compelled to speak my piece on your thread.

[inremembrance]

88. You're not alone

Let's not forget that Senator Obama is very to the left, Senator Clinton more towards the center..if she's not running...where do we go? Don't count on it being Obama.

[libbygurl]

92. What? Obama 'very to the left'? By that flawed study, yes, but per that same study,...

...he's to the left of Bernie Sanders!

Good gawd, stop calling O a liberal, since he most certainly is NOT one!

Clinton is more liberal than Obama, for goodness sake.

[inremembrance]

106. And the evidence for that would be.....

"Overall in NJ's 2007 ratings, Obama voted the liberal position on 65 of the 66 key votes on which he voted; Clinton voted the liberal position 77 of 82 times" ...at least there is data in this report on topic....as compared to ???X?

[NanBo]

100. too far to the left?

Most of us aren't looking for someone leaning towards the right. I don't think Clinton supporters would choose to be considered closer to the right either....

[inremembrance]

107. I wouldn't say Senator Clinton is to the right...but more moderate than Obama

[Debi]

130. Welcome to DU inremembrance

:hi:

[rodeodance]

99. OP was actually a response to post a bit earlier. but in looking at the posts

above--there is little clues telling me most are aware of what is going on.

[Debi]

129. I don't recall ask for Clinton to step down

and I don't recall posting this as a pro-Obama piece.

I want the Democrat to win in November because I want Democrats to win in November.

Many posters have decided I'm a Barack Obama supporter.

I've made it clear many times that I walked in to my caucus uncommitted and walked out of my caucus uncommitted.

I vowed then that I'd support the Democratic nominee over the republican nominee.

[judaspriestess]

89. well according to an ardent Obama supporter on here

people who were not going to vote for Obama assuming he is the nominee didn't matter because Clinton supporters are insignificant and there will be plenty of people to replace the vote. Does it really matter then?

[Debi]

138. I didn't say that n/t

[Umbram]

168. According to me.

If you find an idiot, listen to them, and decide to base your vote on the idiot's advice - that makes you an idiot as well.

[VenusRising]

90. Wow.

I would never ever call anyone childish, disrespectful, or a spoiled brat for what they choose to do with THEIR vote. People have the right to vote for whomever they so choose. It is no one's business and should not be help up for judgment by anonymous posters on a message board.

[Debi]

140. Thank you

Since this is site is called the Democratic Underground and it is set up to support Democrats it is odd that posters on this board would post that they will NOT vote for the Democratic candidate.

[Maribelle]

91. I was told by an Obama supporter you didn't need my whole state in the GE.

Myopic and disrespectful Obama supporters came so first. Bash them, and quit bashing your stupid strawman.

[NanBo]

98. Did the OP state anything about supporting OB?

All this trash talk against OB supporters and the OP. I think she was talking to all Dems, OB or HC supporters, or did I miss that somewhere?

[Debi]

131. Meh, let them vent

They'll all be back here when President McCain takes office wondering how the heck THAT happened.

[provis99]

103. maybe you should blame the ones who vote for McCain

rather than stabbing Democrats in the back for being insufficiently loyal to your chosen candidate.

[Debi]

132. And who is that? Which candidate's name did I put in the OP? n/t

[varelse]

104. Although I will be voting for the Democratic nominee in this election

I disagree with your assessement of voters who do not choose to so so. Voting is a right and a civic duty. Voting for a particular candidate, however, is (still) a personal and private choice.

[Debi]

133. Thank you for your post

:hi:

[Jamastiene]

162. Precisely.

No one can tell anyone else how to vote. Period. The nerve of some people is stupefying.

[khaos]

117. I will not vote for a pro-war candidate.

[Debi]

134. Then I bet you hope Barack Obama is the nominee n/t

[khaos]

141. An anti-war candidate won't be nominated this time around.

[ZombieHorde]

124. Unless that name you write in is "Gary Gygax".

He makes Ghandi, MLK jr., and Mother Teresa look like fools.

[no name no slogan]

127. NNNNNEEEEEEERRRRRDDDDD!!!!!

Roll 3d6 against INT score for nerd check


:rofl:

[Horse with no Name]

126. My vote is mine

and not for YOU or anyone else to determine how I use it or bully me to use it the way THEY best see fit.
It has been something that has been done in this country for decades. Who died and made YOU the Democracy Cop?

[Debi]

135. President McCain thanks you for your support n/t

[Horse with no Name]

139. Not NEARLY as much as he thanks all the wide-eyed unquestioning obama supporters n/t

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

137. The Party doesn't own my vote. If they want it, they have to earn it.

Which the two major candidates have failed to do.

[LWolf]

145. Okay.

If it's disrespectful to write a worthy democrat onto my ballot, when I find the nominee unworthy of my vote, I guess I'll have to find a 3rd party candidate.

Since you've made that judgment, of course.

Either that, or I will simply value my own judgment more than yours and do what I think is right with my vote regardless of your opinions about it.

[Debi]

147. Thank you LWolf n/t

[Name removed]

148. Deleted message

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[Debi]

155. Thank you for reading and abiding by the DU rules

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules_detai...

[goldcanyonaz]

150. One person, one vote. To do with it what they choose. Ain't American grand?

[Orangepeel]

160. I don't know about "childish," but it would certainly be cutting off one's nose to spite the face

At least people who voted for Nader in 2000 were under the delusion that there wasn't a "dime's worth of difference" between bush and Gore. Anybody who would vote for either Clinton or Obama but thinks the other wouldn't be a million times better than McCain is just an idiot.

[RetroLounge]

167. Thanks for your concern

:eyes:

RL

[Kitty Herder]

170. If you

live in a state where the outcome is guaranteed no matter how you, personally, vote, it doesn't matter if you write in your candidate's name.

[calico1]

171. But according to many Obama supporters

he not only is going to win by a huge landslide but he doesn't need those loser Hillary supporters (or Edwards or any other candidate). So why would write in votes matter?

:shrug:

[Judge_Mental]

172. Thanks Debi!

I agree 100%

[Debi]

173. Thanks JM n/t