Hillary ROCKS! Obama is SOOOOO Arrogant he makes Bush look humble.

[jlake]

LISTEN TO THE ISSUES. Where they differ, Obama is wrong. Hillary is correct.
END OF STORY.

[sniffa]

1. i AgReE

:rofl:

[jlake]

3. EEEK! Make the gross monster go back on ignore.

MY EYES!!!!!!!

[sniffa]

7. Quit reading my mind

[jlake]

25. Only one of us has had over 600 on ignore. Can you say "issues"

[sniffa]

34. Um, sure

Issues

[Hutzpa]

71. Having fun are we? n/t

[jlake]

178. egads

[grantcart]

77. i hate it when you cant tell if it is a parody or for real

[Tennessee Gal]

2. I agree.

[high density]

4. I know you are but what am I?

[Yurovsky]

61. rubber? glue?

"mmmmm .... paste"

- Ralph Wiggums

[Horse with no Name]

5. He is recycling her answers

and regurgitating them with some purty rhetoric. Anyone else notice this?

[busymom]

6. She's awesome.

[rodeodance]

30. that my gal.

[rodeodance]

8. I can't watch-only following the thread. --but seems leaning Obama-but then

again most comments are by obama people

[scheming daemons]

10. He hasn't "gaffed" yet.... the only gaffe was the canned line by Hillary that got booed....

[rodeodance]

19. ok

[liberalhistorian]

95. A very well-deserved boo and

comeuppance, too.

[rodeodance]

132. ah some have no sense of humor

[liberalhistorian]

144. Yes, and you should more than know

that yourself.

[goldcanyonaz]

9. He seems to just repeat what she says.

[rodeodance]

13. thanks--i can't watch. good news to my ears.

[GCP]

17. And they ask her the first question every time

Why not make him answer first for a change. He has extra time to think and he can riff on what she's already said.

[goldcanyonaz]

21. He CHOSE to go second, he won the coin toss.

[GCP]

26. I'm talking about the questions - duh

[rodeodance]

27. silly how can you choose if toss coin. is this a joke?

[goldcanyonaz]

28. He won the coin toss in the beginning and chose to go second. That went for answers too.

[rodeodance]

31. oh -ok---seems that to his advantage then--he basicaly can hit back or add. either way

it is to his advantage.

[rodeodance]

24. maybe 2nd half??

[Hoof Hearted]

47. and then he looks at her.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

74. wow! someone needs to tell him to knock off that arrogant gaze.....

not good.

[ShortnFiery]

102. Yes, how DARE he either stretch his neck muscles or not always defer to Ms. Hillary.

He must not know his PLACE? :eyes:

BTW reading certain non-verbal postures as "absolute proof" of what's going on inside another person's head is NOT SOUND. The academic study of non-verbal behavior is NOT and exact science. :(

[D23MIURG23]

162. Thats ok

I want a president who isn't afraid to make funny faces at the competition!

[mtnsnake]

11. She is so competent it's just incredible.

[liberalhistorian]

98. Is that why he's winning all the primaries and

her idiot campaign is floundering like a wounded whale. Ya, sure, lol.

[JoFerret]

114. You do have to ask that question

...but then popular taste has never been mine in most things.

She is clearly the more competent of the two. She has more progressive notions and plans. He has half measures, style, flair and marketing. Guess which one is winning?

Makes you wonder about all kinds of things.

[jlake]

146. Yes, just like how Bush, you know that competent guy - won.

[D23MIURG23]

159. Not like Obama wins.

His victories were always razor thin and even then only by way of Diebold, mass movements of the repuke footsoldiers, and illegal electoral fixes.

Obama has swung past Clinton's double digit leads of last fall to gain victories of the same magnitude within months. Call me Kool-aid, but I don't see that as the mark of ineptitude.

[Thrill]

12. He's winning big time. Sorry Hillary supporters

Hillary is the one showing arrogance. Taking over the debate. wow

[jlake]

16. All he is doing is repeating her answers -- but not with accuracy or a depth of knowledge.

[JoFerret]

117. That was so true

...and then with a nicely turned phrase. He is VERY good at that.
I am so tired though of the - bring people together stuff. What we need now is a fighter, a champion. the MOR may buy that nonsense. we need Hillary to make that difference. I fear he will rollover at the first GOP tickle to the tummy.

He does have way too much empty rhetoric about bringing people together. nice idea but we actually need some forward movement on big issues. Some actual PROGRESS.

[liberalhistorian]

99. Shhhhhh.....

They can't handle the fact that the prom queen won't get her crown, be gentle.

[DemGa]

14. Indeed she is awesome

It's a shame this whole Obama pretty speech thing even took place.

[earthside]

15. Obama ROCKS! Hillary is SOOOO Boring she makes McCain look exciting.

Man, what a wonk, Hillary is such a know-it-all.

Obama ROCKS!

END OF STORY.

[jlake]

20. Typical Obama.... repeat what the opponent just said, only less convincingly

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

IRONY ALERT!

[GCP]

22. Bullshit

She's answering with specifics and she's on top of all the questions. He's riffing off her answers after having more time to think.

[krabigirl]

23. he rocks?

[trueblue2007]

29. hahahahah..... He rocks?? NO....HIS HEAD IS FULL OF ROCKS.

OBAMA NEEDS TO GO HOME TO HIS MOMMA.

[rodeodance]

32. Hill is his mamo--he follows her

[BlueStater]

63. He's a "rock star". Don't you get it by now? n/t

[Silent3]

42. That attitude which values "rocking" over being a "wonk" is what gave us Bush...

...for the last eight years.

Obama is a lot smarter than Bush, and does have more substance that you can find if you look for it... but as a voter, if you're dissing Hillary for being a "know-it-all" (God forbid a President act or BE SMART!), you're acting just like the idiots who passed up voting for Gore in 2000 and Kerry in 2004, all because they'd rather have a "reg'lar guy", "someone you could have a beer with" in the White House.

[mkultra]

62. actually, it was the willignness to accept a liar

Such is hillary, HRC supporters are the new bush crowd.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

76. my thoughts exactly.....

n/t

[ExtraGriz]

18. i agree

hes regurgitating whatever she is saying...and this last question about experience to being commander in chief, she beat him with her answer.

[ChazII]

33. It is hard to believe that anyone can make Bush look humble. n/t

[jlake]

36. Yes, but Obama has made me a BELIEVER

I *finally* figured out what he was talking about when he told me to believe.

[ChazII]

87. Since I

don't have cable or dis, I rely on Youtube clips. I am moving closer in agreement w/your views the more clips I watch.

[Kittycat]

35. Denial - one of the many stages you'll go through.

Over the next couple of weeks :hug:

[jlake]

37. Them's the facts. Win or lose Hillary is the real deal and Obama is an arrogant poseur.

[DemGa]

38. Amen to that!!

[mtnsnake]

41. Seconds!!

[Kittycat]

43. She's the one sitting there with that phony smile, looking like a fool tonight.

but, but, but... then only half answering questions. If the debate continues the way it's going, she's toast.

[jlake]

44. Obama is the one who hasn't had an original thought yet.

And I will say it again: Winning does NOT vindicate a person as right - or I would be supporting GWB.

[Kittycat]

45. She was wrong on IWR, and she's wrong on her total mandate.

It's common knowledge that they're very similar on many positions. His approach is the dominate difference. Her's sucks ass - his is a solution.

[jlake]

46. Yeah. Okay. Whatever you say.....

[Justice Is Comin]

69. To even contemplate that he

is in the running for president is as bad as contemplating the fungus that's leaving. Or will be dragged out with a winch.

Christ I hope people wake up so we can have a decent next four years instead of a daily diet of WTF smilies with this loser.

[Blue_In_AK]

70. I must disagree.

Hillary did not look like a fool, nor did Obama. I started out as an "Anybody but Clinton" person, but she has moved up in my estimation. She's smart, she speaks clearly, she gets her points across, and she's a fighter. I like that.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

78. Check out the pictures on post #47 and tell us again that SHE looks like the fool

he looks downright demented.... scary!

[liberalhistorian]

103. No kidding!

And then their queen can go back to the senate and continue to refuse to acknowledge her IWR vote was wrong, let alone apologize for it, and continue to happily vote for even more war funding for that clusterfuck disaster.

She and her campaign grossly underestimated the size, strength and breadth of those against Iraq and the occupation, and the depth of their anger; it's costing her big-time and deservedly so.

[elixir]

39. Agreed

[Ichingcarpenter]

40. Because....... CELINE DION IS A Fucking GODDESS!

I hope I cleared that up for you.....

[Laurab]

147. ...

:rofl:

[DesEtoiles]

48. pfffft.

[Moochy]

49. Is this spam of the nite # 2 or 3?

[RememberWellstone]

50. Agreed

She looked and did spectacular!

[tammywammy]

51. I LOVE CAPS LOCK!

IT REALLY MAKES YOUR STATEMENTS CLEAR AND REALLY GETS EVERYONE TO AGREE WITH YOU.

[liberalhistorian]

104. LOL!

I KNOW JUST WHAT YOU MEAN! :evilgrin:

[jlake]

177. egads.

[dchill]

52. Arrogant? It's actually called CLASS.

Look into it.

[jlake]

56. Then Bush is a class act.

:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[dchill]

59. And THAT is called flawed logic.

.

[Renew Deal]

53. How do you know? You posted that 12 minutes into the debate

After 5 minutes of debate.

[jlake]

57. No, that would be an hour and 12 minutes.... but I understand your gift for lying.

[ohioliberal]

54. Oh I so agree... He's just a used car salesman!!!

[mtnsnake]

60. and I agree with that. n/t

[Seabiscuit]

55. Hillary's stance on when and how to meet with foreign goverments (i.e. Cuba) shows the

differing styles. By meeting with a foreign goverment (hostile or not) without preconditions is just plain naive. Hillary is right about being methodical, knowing what to expect going in so America always has the upper hand.

[Bread and Circus]

58. Everyone listen up because the DLC wing of the Democratic Party has spoken!

[AX10]

64. He seemed unassured to me.

[donheld]

65. Hillary Rocks? when she plagiarizes her finale?

P.S. how's Fox News treating you?

[RiverStone]

66. Obama will seal the deal on March 4th

And become the Dems nominee for president!

That's the real END OF STORY

I sure like Happy Endings :hi:

[jlake]

79. Winning does not equal competence and correctness. See Bush for exhibit A.

[Name removed]

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[jlake]

80. I tried to keep you out of the kitchen.

[TheZug]

68. Wow, I'm convinced.

For so long I was for Obama, but your powerful argument completely changed my mind.

[Greyskye]

73. flip-flopper

:evilgrin:

Welcome to DU. Sorry it's not our finest hour. :blush:

[cooolandrew]

72. It's not Bush's arrogance that got us in trouble it's his stubborness....

[jlake]

81. I don't think that is correct. But glad to see that you don't dispute Obama's massive

arrogance.

[ContinentalOp]

75. Thank you!

I have been following both candidates, reading their statements, learning about their proposed policies and watching the debates and yet somehow I totally missed this. In fact I had drawn the exact opposite conclusion. What the hell was I thinking? Thanks for setting me straight!

[Laurab]

148. You and me both!

The EXACT opposite. But after reading this obviously well-researched argument by the OP, who I think must be around 8 or 9 years old, I too have realized the error of my thoughts. I so wish I could take back my primary vote now that I realize "Hillary ROCKS"...

[Name removed]

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[LadyVT]

82. Yep, totally agree.

[ErnestoG]

83. You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now.

"Obama worse than Bush". Christ, listen to yourself.

[jlake]

84. His arrogance does seem to exceed that of Bush.

[bridgit]

85. He has some very good ideas...but he's smug, like he can't wait for HRC to stop talking...

so he can start. The litany of woes he cited were as though we do not even know of them, like they were new-news...we do know them, we're living this shit. I have little idea just who he was trying to convince, maybe people that don't know. But for the people that do, we know. I'm not a U.S. Senator, and my husband is not the administrator of a hospital full of un-paid, denied, declined maladies and sadness. You do not need to be either to understand just how off track this nation has been thrown. And I find such recitations of what is the obvious for many, well, smug.

[avrdream]

86. Kick!

Two words: Xerox and "HONOURED" - how classy is she?

Wow, just wow.

[alphafemale]

88. Yeah....How DARE HE confront the "annointed" one

What an uppity N

[jlake]

161. He didn't confront anyone - it's his looks and sneers.... he doesn't even have

the balls to look at Hillary.

[snappyturtle]

89. Is this the "new" complaint about Sen. Obama? What will it be tomorrow?

The two senators are close on issues so if Sen. Obama is wrong so is Sen. Clinton. Sen. Clinton voted for the war. I'm looking for a candidate that makes good decisions and can refrain from negative campaigning. Sen. Obama's disposition is welcoming.

Do you know that a synonym for arrogant is proud?

[MadHound]

90. LOL, you know what's arrogant

Putting on the cloak of inevitability, acting like the nomination is yours, that you deserve it, all a year out from the first contest. This is exactly what Hillary did, and her hubris cost her. She threw everything she had into a frontal assault on a front loaded primary contest, and when she came up short, she was left without a Plan B and scrambling for cash. Her pride went before her fall.

Oh, and speaking of arrogant, acting like you're the be all and end all of political commentary is, well, arrogant. You don't have the "end of story" neither do I. So please calm down your own arrogance and hubris, otherwise you'll wind up having to take a fall, just like Hillary is.

[Maribelle]

91. Hillary DID NOT. MSM did.

Please.

[Skidmore]

96. Hillary did nothing to discourage that perception and

acted as if she concurred. That is part of what sunk her here in Iowa. It was the topic of conversation, in fact. Iowans were feeling that the winner was being dictated to them, and we didn't like it. It was arrogant.

[Maribelle]

112. Wrong again Hillary never even once did not manifest that she would have to fight for the nomination

In each of her speeches - especially after California, New Hampshire, Florida, New York, New Jersey, she always indicated there was a huge fight ahead.

And before Iowa, that you confuse her vigorous campaigning and the hard efforts she put into it as if she 'acted as if she concurred' is merely a revelation into your confusion, not on what Hillary actually meant.

[Skidmore]

120. Confusion, my hiney!

I know what my friend, relatives, and neighbors were talking about before that caucus, and her inevitability as the candidate was definitely what was perceived here as being telegraphed by her campaign and the media.

[Maribelle]

130. Please, I am not interested at all in your body parts.

It was not being telegraphed by her campaign any more than each of the other candidates were saying "When I am President".

You're wrong on this. Give it up.

[Skidmore]

134. You weren't here. And Hillary did not campaign vigorously in Iowa.

She campaigned lazily because they just assumed she had it in the bag. TwoSparkles had an excellent thread a couple of days ago on why Hillary lost Iowa, and she was dead on in her analysis. Her experience of Hillary's campaign was the same as what we experienced here. Hillary went for big flash in the pan events in a handful of urban centers and did not bother with people in rural areas or small towns. She did not develop the ground campaign or bother with the little folks. It came back to bite her.

[Maribelle]

136. Sorry. Obama supporters, and you are most certainly entitled to your opinion.

But don't expect others to take posts baised by opinion as facts.

[Skidmore]

138. Were you in Iowa for that campaign? Or

did you just read tea leaves or use your magic eight-ball to arrive at your conclusions?

[democrattotheend]

153. Inevitability was part of her strategy

Such arrogance led directly to the idea that Clinton could simply project an air of inevitability and be assured her party’s nomination. If she wins—as she very well might—it will be in spite of her original approach. As one former Clinton staffer put it to me last spring: “There was an assumption that if you were a major donor and wanted to be an ambassador, go to state dinners with the queen—unless you were an outright fool, you were going to go with Hillary, whether you liked her or not. The attitude was ‘Where else are they going to go?’”

It’s important to emphasize that Solis Doyle was not the architect of the Clinton strategy. It was devised and agreed to by many of the campaign’s top staffers, and the candidate herself signed off on it. But in all my reporting and personal experience with the campaign, Solis Doyle probably embodied it more than anyone else. It’s not unfair that she lost her job; but it is unfair that no other senior staffers appear to be in danger of losing theirs.

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200802u/patti-solis-doyle

[liberalhistorian]

107. Bullshit. She was primarily responsible for

that and fed it big-time. She told Katie Couric in an interview months before the first primary that "I WILL be the nominee, period." SHE said that. And her supporters on here have been forcing her down our throats for a year now, saying that she WILL be the nominee, get used to it and get over it. No fucking thank you.

And her hubris has also cost her in that she apparently had no back-up plan to deal with any serious opposition, so that she resorts to negative attacks and smearing, lashing out like a desperate, wounded animal.

[Maribelle]

116. Oh please. If you believe that a candidate saying things like "I will be your next president" ....

is pumping inevitability, - - then all of the candidates, yes even your Obama, were just as guilty.


And the same is true for that "I will be the next nominee", an even weaker phrase.

Why do you listen so closely to what Hillary says and ignore the other candidates? That could be your problem, not Hillary's, you know.

[MadHound]

113. Excuse me, but just because you scream it in caps doesn't make it so

"When Couric asked Clinton if she'd be disappointed not to be named the nominee, Clinton answered: "Well, it will be me."<http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/11/26/couric-to-clinton-has-sh_n_74195.html>

"Responding to statements by some Democratic rivals that she is not electable because her negative ratings are too high, she pointed to her increasing lead in national polls. "I am winning," she said. "That's a good place to start." <http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/10/11/clinton_vows_to_check_executive_power/>

"She just told all these people she's gonna win," the participant said. "There's no incumbent, the timing's great and she's gonna win." <http://www.rawstory.com/news/2007/On_call_with_donors_Clinton_says_0121.html>

Yes, the MSM did try to help her out with the whole inevitability thing, but the fact of the matter is that whole meme came from Clinton herself. She and her campaign thought that she was invincible, and instead wound up with feet of clay.

Hint, before you make big, broad statements it helps to actually do some research.

[Maribelle]

118. Just because you screamed lol in caps did not make it funny.

No, not in the least.

Perhaps practicing what you preach is merely an illusion to Obama Supporters. Get it yet?

[MadHound]

149. LOL, you are funny

First, a bit of netiquette for you. There are indeed a few abbreviations, like LOL, that are expected to be in caps. To do so is not screaming. Putting entire phrases in caps however is considered screaming, which is what you did.

Secondly, I'm noticing that you're not replying to the substance of my rebuttal. Hmm, why is that? Oh, yeah, it shows you up for the disinformation that you're spreading. A suggestion, if you're going to spread such disinformation, like saying that Clinton didn't think that she was inevitable, be prepared to be called on it.

[texas_indy]

92. Weird. I didn't see that in the debate I watched from UTA with Obama and Hillary.

Obama won the one I saw.

Which one did you watch?


Texas is Obama country.

[liberalhistorian]

93. Bullshit. And Bullshit again.

Hillary repeats the same old, same old, tired bullshit. BTDT. And arrogance? How about her running her campaign on "inevitability", stating well before the primaries even began that "I will be the nominee, period", and her blatant air of entitlement to the presidency? What about her negative attacks and smears and distortions? THAT, my friend, is arrogance and THAT is why she's losing the primaries.

Screw her. She and Bill will do whatever it takes to get the nomination if they have to rip apart the party to do it.

[izzybeans]

94. Sounds like a ritualistic chant

[OzarkDem]

97. He kept raising his head and looking down his nose at Clinton

It looked very childish, boorish and arrogant. He was so stiff, his body language was very defensive, insecure and arrogant.

[Medusa]

101. Actually the commentators on both CNN & MSNBC noted that SHE

was NOT looking at him, not the other way around. Sounds like she is the arrogant one, and that's why she's losing.

[Apollo11]

105. You mean like this?

[Cameron27]

128. I don't know why the hell he does that,

but when he looks down his nose at Clinton, it annoys the hell out of me. He does it ALL the time, and it's been photographed enough so that he has to know how it looks. :mad:

[OzarkDem]

150. Yes, like that

it was ridiculous.

[Apollo11]

100. I recommended this!

Not because I am a huge Hillary fan or anything.

I am kind of neutral and will support whoever is the nominee.

But after all the anti-Hillary bashing here over recent days and weeks,
I found the OP very refreshing and cathartic! B-)

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

106. arrogant....okeydokey, everybody...it's time to work those code words.

give me a break

[Vinca]

108. Exactly - am I detecting uppity? nt

[Apollo11]

109. Why would anyone think

Obama is arrogant?

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

110. why would anyone traffic in inuendo and stereotype?

[Apollo11]

115. I know a lot of women who think a lot of men are arrogant.

Does that make it a stereotype?

Does that make them wrong? :eyes:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

122. here's the thing...if I called any H supporter "bitchy" for saying that, I'd be a close-minded

idiot.

Of course some men are arrogant. So are some women.

The obvious point, though, is that invoking the arrogant/uppity racial stereotype is a mighty republican thing to do. We'll get enough of that in the general election.

Unless Hillary makes a comeback, in which case we'll get all the stupid "Is a woman ready and able to be Commander-in-Chief" shit.

[Apollo11]

123. My wife tells me that she finds Obama comes across as arrogant.

How are you suggesting I deal with this?

Should I tell my wife she is bitchy or racist -- or both? :eyes:

[Cameron27]

129. I think he's arrogant and smug,

and I don't give a shit how anyone tries to spin it.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

131. definitely not bitchy. and I doubt racist. but the point is that using that

word means something more than just that word, given its historical connotations. Are you really trying to tell me you don't know that?

[JoFerret]

111. She was excellent. Why do we have to settle for half measures?

Clearly - she actually IS ready from day one. Her command of the issues is impressive. she is - in fact - commanding.

I am not an Obama hater (in fact until the attacks on Hillaray really geared up I was not that in favor of her at all. I am aware of the flaws) but he seems still rather unformed and rather manipulative. She is clearly the commander in all ways.

To miss her brilliance and command in the WH will be an unfortunate mistake for the party and the country. Why should we have to settle for half measure on health care? we have waited too long.

[TheZug]

119. Brilliance and command??? Try clueless.

She had every advantage in the world, tens of millions of dollars, and she ended up $7.6 million in debt in January. Absolutely tone deaf and clueless. Terry McCaulliffe (sp?) is setting up a phone line so supporters can call in with suggestions. Pathetic! Ready on day one? You've got to be kidding me.

[Kahuna]

121. Obama wasn't the one wearing a smirk last night. nt

[Apollo11]

125. So when Hillary smiles - it's called "wearing a smirk".

As Bill would say: "Give Me A Break!" B-)

[Maribelle]

135. Obama manifested an extreme nervousness when the debate began.

While he relaxed later, this nervousness he manifested over debating with Hillary is not a good sign of what he will do with enemies of The United States, which to anyone with any common senses should make him even more nervous. Obama is not ready to be President of The United States. He will not be given a little time to deal with his nervousness.

[jlake]

174. ....

:crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :wtf: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[Marrah_G]

124. Your posts are no better then the garbage coming from some of the Obama Camp- Shame on you!

[Apollo11]

127. OK - so you're not saying it is worse that what comes from the Obama Camp.

I don't think it's possible to sink any lower than some of the anti-Hillary posts I have read here.

[Marrah_G]

133. Just because there are a bunch of folks acting like jerks doesn't mean we have to pile on

It's time DU gets back to behaving like a community again instead of like packs of rabid dogs.

[liberalhistorian]

143. Bullshit again. There have been countless

anti-Obama threads that have been downright vicious, not to mention nasty, distorted, vindictive, etc., etc. Give me a fucking break.

The Hillary people on here seem to spend their time coming up with endless derogatory nicknames for those of us who have the gall to support Obama and not Hillary. "Obamababies, Obamabozos, Obamamaniacs, O-bots, Obamessiahs, Obamaramas", etc. and on and on. And they delight in pounding them into a lot of their threads. Yes, I've seen Hillhound, Hillbot and Shrillbot and those are just as disgusting. But I don't see them nearly as much as the other ones and we don't spend our time coming up with more and more derogatory names for Hillary people.

Mr. Pot, there's a Mr. Kettle on line three. Sheesh.

[ProSense]

126. Hillary XeROCKS

Videos:

http://www.dailykos.com">Hillary Clinton Borrows Edwards Finishing Line

Hillary Channels Bill

[jlake]

145. Obama doesn't have a mind of his own. So sad.

[surfermaw]

137. Plagiarize is Plagiarize no matter what is said WE not electing D.Patrick

How many kids have been kicked out of school because of Plagiarizm. After all we aren't choosing between D Patrick and Barack Oabama, we are choosing between Hill, and Oabama, and she is right in bringing this up in the debate.

[Orsino]

139. Yeah, yeah, I know. If we could only see, we'd be convinced.

Obama supporters have only spin, and Team Hillary is armed with caps-locked FACTS. They're night and day. She's right, and he's wrong.

Then I wake up and realize that their voting records are nearly identical.

[Cameron27]

140. Exactly:

"Then I wake up and realize that their voting records are nearly identical."

...and that's why his great "movement" is so perplexing.

[Orsino]

141. It does explain why they're running so nearly even, maybe. n/t

[whatchamacallit]

142. Ultra-lame

Bordering on delusional

[Barack_America]

152. The one coming off as arrogant here...

...is you.

And more than a little sad.


If you think that Hillary and Barack differ on the "issues" more than they agree, you are a fool. So you might want to think twice about criticizing Obama's positions.

[jlake]

154. If you read my post - you wouldn't have made yours.

I said "where they differ" as in they don't very much.

But I will not support Obama because his position on my most salient issue is against mine.

[Barack_America]

155. I think I know what your main issue is...

...and no, they barely differ on their proposed policies.

Your complaint, I believe, are the beliefs of people who they have associated with (even though they have both been know to associate with people whose beliefs you abhor).

[jlake]

156. His healthcare plan is a fucking disaster. he shouldn't hang around lobbyists so much.

[jillan]

157. I am so sick of his lying about NAFTA - he just voted to expand it!

The Peru trade deal was an expansion of Nafta and Obama voted FOR IT!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lori-wallach/politics-peru-and-a-pres_b_83340.html

[jlake]

158. Yes. More false grandstanding from Obama.

[Umbram]

160. Proof positive, no matter how stupid the post, people will rec. (nt)

[jlake]

167. That's just silly.

[AGirl]

163. K and r i totally agree

[jlake]

164. Kick

[Political Heretic]

165. LOL I'll kick it too

It looks so ridiculous I actually love having it up there.

[jlake]

166. Thanks - just like the Repubs voting for Obama in order to take HC out - it doesn't really help him.

[Political Heretic]

168. He doesn't need any help.

But you're doing a super job anyway.

Smile - he'll be your candidate soon. :hi:

Unless of course you're going to put personal pettiness above what's best for the country.

If Hillary is the nominee I would vote for her without hesitation, because I care about what's best for America and know that a Clinton or Obama Presidency will help real people and save real lives over a McCain nightmare.

[jlake]

170. No, he will never be my candidate. But thanks for the arrogant Obamalogic.

[Political Heretic]

179. Yeah, that's what I thought. Another person putting pettiness and personal shit above the country

and the party.

Like I said, I'd vote for Hillary if she was the nominee, because I care about more than this personality contest we've got going on right now. Either Democrat in the White House saves real american lives and helps real American families. It's not abstract... its not hypothetical. It's REAL.

If I sit out on the sideline because "my guy" didn't win then I am complicit in the death of every soldier that will die in McCains hundred year war. Every family that does not receive the help they need from an increase minimum wage, or health care reform, or tax relief to the working class, or a better educational system - I'm responsible.

I'm telling them, "hey - my stubborn pettiness is more important than your lives."

And I'm just not willing to do that.

But clearly you are, so.....

[WilliamPitt]

169. I make in my pants sometimes.

[zonkers]

171. "Arrogant is code for "uppity.".

[jlake]

172. No, it's code for "raging asshole with an ego the size of Alaska"

[ileus]

173. She'll win us 50 states in 2008....

[Mike03]

175. They are both good, and they are both arrogant, as Presidential

candidates must be in this day and age.

[jlake]

176. I am sure that is true, but Obama's ego is so outsized it makes me wonder.