Clinton using the Iraq war wounded to close was Ironic. She voted for them to go, didn't say sorry!

[FrenchieCat]

So those who beat themselves on the chest about Hillary's closing.....just remember that she is not that sorry about it....cause she has yet to say sorry for her vote. So she can describe the wounds of those who have had to go to Iraq, it doesn't really help her for those of us who are looking at the big picture.

[MonkeyFunk]

1. No she didn't

the IWR didn't commit troops to Iraq. This is Bush's war, and if you think Obama's gonna be substantially different than Clinton on it, you're deluded.

[HeraldSquare212]

30. It's the next one I'm worried about -

I'm pretty sure he won't start another, not so sure about her.

[babylonsister]

2. Yes, it was a strong closing for her, but ironic. nt

[FrenchieCat]

5. So she's sorry about them being in the state that they are in.......

but not sorry enough to repudiate her authorization for war.

[babylonsister]

15. It's way too late for her to apologize. I guess that would be way too

embarrassing after all this time. And it would no longer make a difference-imo.

[superkia]

20. It will make a difference if she is our candidate facing McCain...

on the issue.

[babylonsister]

21. It's odd that her eye is on the prize but she never considered that. nt

[liberalmuse]

3. Obama would have voted right with her...

he has in everything thus far. I felt Hillary was sincere. I believe many others picked this up as well.

[FrenchieCat]

8. Oh....I see..........

that you are wrong.

He was asked would he had voted for it...shortly after the vote, and said NO.

So you are wrong.

[earthlover]

16. bullshit! he spoke out AGAINST the war even when it was popular

Hillary voted for the IWR and against the Levin Amendment

[Carolina]

25. exactly, Obama spoke out way back in October 2002

when few did and certainly HRC didn't.

Though warned by Robert Byrd about what IWR would mean, she voted FOR IT.

Then, between that cowardly vote in 10/2002 and Shock & Awe in 2003, HRC was mute.

In fact, she only spoke out when her position and public opinion were at odds in 2006 and thus her POTUS bid would be jeopardized. Even then, she maintained that the war had been managed wrong, not that it was WRONG for the start.

[Bluebear]

37. Why has he voted to continue funding the war, then?

A very sincere question.

[DemGa]

41. Obama has said many conflicting things about that "vote"

"Not only was the idea of an invasion increasingly popular, but on the merits I didn't consider the case against war to be cut-and- dried." <"Audacity of Hope," 2006, p. 294>

He also gave political cover for John Kerry over his vote.

Obama speaks out when it is politically expedient to do so.

[zulchzulu]

29. Obama supports the troops now in harm's way thanks to non-leaders like Hillary

Should he abandon the troops that are sent in harm's way because others decided to give Bush a free pass for a trillion dollar war with a million dead?

[ErnestoG]

46. Really? You rolling chicken bones or something?

[Enrique]

4. saying sorry wouldn't help them

in addition it would be insincere.

[ErnestoG]

47. How very Bush-ian of you.

[GoldieAZ49]

6. maybe because she realizes she is in part responsible for those injured and killed

she put them above her own crisis

[XemaSab]

7. You could cut the irony with a knife

If she had said voting for the war was a moment that took courage (or whatever the question was) then it would have been a strong ending, but as such it was like she was bringing up wounded veterans just to score points.

[HeraldSquare212]

9. I feel the same way every time she mentions that she got healthcare for National Guard members

sort of like, well, that's the least you can do.

[apocalypsehow]

10. Right on point! K & R.

:kick:

[bigbrother05]

11. K and R

[Hepburn]

12. Oh, Frenchie....

...that really bothered me, too. I was yelling at the TV, "<censored>, Hillary, YOU FUCKING VOTED FOR IT...WHY CARE NOW!?!?!?"

That really hit me wrong, real wrong!

[FrenchieCat]

13. I think it will be like the last debates. The more folks think about it.......

those who really hate this Iraq war, the more they will be voting for Obama. Mark my word!

[Major Hogwash]

14. It was not ironic, it was pathetic!!!!

And that's it.

She said 2 months ago that she would not apologize for her vote and "if you don't like it, vote for someone else."

We did.

In droves!

[FrenchieCat]

17. You are right!

and they will continue.

We ain't fools, and her words are just that. We saw what action she actually took when it counted.

[Whisp]

18. right on.

I cringed when she went through that scpheel.

[superkia]

19. She also made a comment about McCain being for the Iraq war,...

that kind of confused me since she was a part in giving bushy a loaded weapon to kill? I really don't know what she stands for, I hear her words but her actions I am not sure on.

[DUyellow]

22. That was a bad move.

[MichiganVote]

23. George Bush sent them, its his and will always be his, the Bush legacy

[Carolina]

31. sadly no

We all, as Americans, own it.

That's why our 'leaders' (members of Congress) who didn't stand up to Bush, didn't speak out against Bush and who ceded their Constitutional power to him via IWR, failed us, and made us as a nation, culpable partners.

That is still why IWR infuriates me. I remember thinking what are they doing, we're going to war against a nation that is not an imminet threat and never attacked us. That's why so many of us marched, wrote Congress...

It may be Bush's legacy but it is OUR lasting problem (foreign relations, physically and emotionally wounded vets, depletion of our treasury).

[MichiganVote]

33. No, I don;t own it, I never supported it. But you and I will pay for it. The rich won't.

[Carolina]

35. really saying the same thing

[DUyellow]

24. All i thought about when she was talking....

[Skip Intro]

26. You just can't have it both ways, FC.

If Hillary is responsible for their wounds then so is John Kerry - they voted the same way - and Obama should immediately tell Kerry to leave his campaign, and damn him on the way out because he, as much as Hillary, is responsible for untold death and misery.

[akbacchus_BC]

44. I agree with you ....

Why is Kerry and John Edwards getting a pass and not Senator Clinton. Guess she never really apologised and that is why the anti-war Americans is holding her accountable. I never thought the race would end with Senator Obama nor Senator Clinton, I was holding my breath for Al Gore to run but I was supporting Kucinich (sp), was a sad day when he dropped out. Then I was rooting for Edwards (he too voted for IWR) but he apologised and then he bailed even though he said he will stay the course. One thing I have a grouse with, even though Senator Obama voted against the invasion, there is no way he can vote against supporting the troops. Either way, he is going to get screwed with people who do not support him. How can he vote to not support the troops? I must be missing something! I live in Canada and we are watching your electoral process with abated breath. I cried when GWB got in for a second term. Am all over the place right now but we want a democrat to get into the White House, not an occupier. Just a few weeks ago, an editorial in the Globe and Mail claimed that if Senator Obama won, relationships between Canada and the US will improve. Please do not target me anyone, I have seen some DUers insulting people who are not Americans but dare to post on here.

My only beef is that America can produce more viable politicians rather than the bush clinton bush clinton legacy. Would have loved if Biden was still in. I look at MSNBC and it seems as though the media is picking your candidate. The world cannot stand another Republican in the White House.

Peace, no insults please.

[zulchzulu]

27. It's like an arsonist showing up at the scene of the fire to congratulate the Fire Department

That's what I'd say if I was running.

[Major Hogwash]

39. And then saying "my, whoever started this fire shouldn't have"

She tried to lay the blame on ANYONE ELSE BUT HER!

Who does that sound like?

B-U-S-H!!

[bigtree]

28. she didn't 'vote to go'

but, you go on . . .

[billbuckhead]

32. Obama would have voted for the war if the smiling empty suit had a chance

:+bama has voted just like Hillary since he got there, why would anyone think that a wimp who voted "present" over a 100 times, would vote against anything as controversial as the IWR? Oh, I know, :spray:

[Carolina]

34. yes she did

23 other Senators got it right and one in particular, Robert Byrd, gave a moving speech warning his colleagues against ceding their Constitutional power to the administration. He warned about the administration's hubris, the lack of evidence for war, the lack of need for such a resolution, the uncanny time of the resolution (just before the 2002 midterm elections), the rush to war with all of it's consequences AND make no mistake about it that fact that voting for the resolution was voting for war!

He knew it meant war, we knew it too as did those who voted for it. We expected the repukes to vote with Bush but interestingly, on the Dem side, mainly those with POTUS ambitions did so. They went along to get ahead politically.

Also, you may say she didn't 'vote to go' but what did she do or say in the weeks and days before 'Shock and Awe' in 2003? NOTHING!

And when did she start speaking against the war? 2006 when popular opinion conflicted with her position and thereby would jeopardize her POTUS bid.

And what did she say when she finally spoke out? That the war was managed wrong, not that IT WAS WRONG.

Iraq was never an imminent threat and never attacked us.

[Bluebear]

38. No, she actually "SENT" them now!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4707056

Can you believe this :silly:

[Cha]

36. Anyone who's been paying attention

to hilary's record like my family and friends here in New York are totally aware of what a hypocrite she is. They see what she says in the debates where they know she knows better but she comes out trying to smear Obama like she did with Kerry over the "joke". Did she say how Proud2BAMurkin she was tonight?

hilary lost us in 2002 with her disingenous IWR vote when she couldn't even be bothered to read the 90 page NIE report.

[FrenchieCat]

42. And we don't even want to mention Iran!

:eyes:

[Cha]

43. hilary has to hope the Nation doesn't

find out about the real hilary before it's too late..what a way to stumble along.

[IndianaGreen]

40. It was the height of hypocrisy, followed by the phony emotional outburst at the end

An echo from Hillary

Several readers, and Obama's staff, heard an echo in Clinton's closing line, that the candidates on stage would be "fine."

Clinton Tonight:

You know, whatever happens, we're going to be fine. You know, we have strong support from our families and our friends. I just hope that we'll be able to say the same thing about the American people. And that's what this election should be about.?

Edwards the December 13 debate:

?What's not at stake are any of us. All of us are going to be just fine no matter what happens in this election. But what's at stake is whether America is going to be fine.?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/

[ErnestoG]

45. You're absolutely right...and she still didn't apologize.

This of course is chewing her to bits as she experiences the fires of reentry into the atmosphere.