I missed the xerox/boo part of the debate - what happened?

[SnoopDog]

Of course I missed the best part - could someone fill me in as to what happened with the boo moment.

Thanks!

[NDambi]

1. CNN now

[uppityperson]

2. and if no CNN where a poster is, then....?

[Bucky]

4. then it sucks to be poor

[uppityperson]

5. bwahahahahahahahaha

only the poor don't have CNN. Right. BIG :eyes: (you forgot the devil grin smiley)

[cali]

23. um, I'm not poor and I don't have TV period

I think it's a sucky, mind numbing medium. And I brought my kid up without it, and I'm convinced that's one of the best things I did for him.

[Nailzberg]

29. No TV? Why do you hate America?

[Cha]

51. Actually my life is rich

without cnn. :)

[MADem]

48. You watch on the computer.

I watched the last CNN debate on the computer...it was great.

[uppityperson]

74. wana buy me internet hookup and a cool new computer?

Mine is 6 yrs old and don't have fast hookup. Be nice to be able to, but sometimes I just gotta suffer. I'd like a new computer though, let's do a high end laptop with DVD copying capability so I can pirate movies too, ok?

[MADem]

108. That can be a challenge. I don't have a super fast connection, either

(DSL) but it is fast enough to watch the line. When I am on travel and go places with a better connection, I can watch TV shows fairly well on the thing. My machine isn't terribly fancy, either. They seem to be making strides with streaming video lately--it doesn't seem to take as much "ooomph" to get a decent picture.

Unfortunately, I'm not one of those rich folks, otherwise, I'd buy a bunch of people new computers! All of our spare cash is going to help out a old family friend who is terminally ill with no insurance...

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

47. here is AP coverage of xerox remark and subsequent booing

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4707176

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

3. She Had One Of The Best One Liners In A Debate I've Ever Seen, And About 3 People Booed.

[scheming daemons]

6. The people meter dropped to absolute ZERO.... can't spin that....

....it was the only time in the debate that either person's people meter went to ZERO.


The line KILLED her.

[Quixote1818]

8. I was watching the red line (reaction) video and it looked like it went off a cliff after

that comment. She completely blew it with that line.

[Blondiegrrl]

30. I agree. She came across as shrewish and vindictive.

She was trying to get his goat, but Obama wouldn't take the bait. He took the high road.

Bad move, Hillary.

[MADem]

45. SHREWISH AND VINDICTIVE!!!! Boy, if anyone dared to say that

Obama shucked and jived. people would be bullshit. The VICTIM cards would be THROWN down!

But it's ok to use the SHREW/VINDICTIVE slur at a woman.

After all, she's just .... a BROAD. A DAME.

"Pimp" her out...

Do I need to

WHIP

this out?

:sarcasm:


I probably do, and some dumbfucks STILL won't get it.

[anigbrowl]

54. OK, just vindictive then.

[uppityperson]

9. what was it please? Thanks.

and don't tell me it sucks to be poor. Thanks.

[BattyDem]

25. Obama gave a good answer about the so-called plagiarism and the "just words" comment

Clinton said that words should be your own and mocked him by using his slogan, saying that's not "change you can believe in" that's "change you can xerox."

[Quixote1818]

31. It fell flat because Obama gave such a great answer. I think the audience knew Hillary

was full of shit and yet she continued to attack even after he gave such a great answer. It made her look horrible!

[BattyDem]

39. His answer was perfect.

She should have said to herself "Ok, that round goes to him" and moved on. She took a moment that was nothing but damage control for him and turned it into a damaging situation for herself.

[MADem]

49. Perfect for someone who deserves an F on a college paper for copying ! NT

[Alexander]

63. Hillary plagiarized her closing statement. What's your point?

[uppityperson]

61. Thank you. Wow, incredible how many replies have gotten posted here.

sexism, poseur, deleted, scoreboard, frustrated. Hmm, think I'll skip reading them all. Thank you for the info.

[no name no slogan]

13. "Where's the Beef?" was good. This was just barely open-mike night chuckle-worthy

nt

[Fox Mulder]

14. Three people?

I heard the whole crowd boo.

[Quixote1818]

32. There were moans all through the audience. People knew she was full of shit on that. nt

[blonndee]

36. Oh bullshit, she made a big fat FOOL out of herself

after Obama made the audience laugh with his comments on the "silly season of politics." He had a sense of humor and she clearly demonstrated that she DOES NOT. He had also commented on how important it was to not "tear each other down" and she was totally oblivious and tried to do it anyway, ignorant of what the majority of the American people are wanting (you excepted, obviously). She also does not know when to quit, and it hurt her. Badly. If this gets any press beyond the live debate, she will have disgraced herself in a major way.

[Tresalisa]

40. I've got to agree with you, she made a foolish remark.

What will the effect be? Who knows, but it was a dumb thing to say.

For those of you who might want to come back at me, my candidate's out (Kucinich) and I will vote for the dem nominee, as I think they'd both be great as president.

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[mudesi]

98. I posted a video JUST FOR YOU!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x96397

Watch it and weep.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

100. that what I heard too and totally agree

[MADem]

7. She smacked him, and his acolytes cried.

It was a brilliant line. And the truth.

She should have said "If you pulled that shit in college, punk, you'd get an F."

[Spider Jerusalem]

10. The only people who think that are already Clinton supporters.

Very negative reaction from the audience; doesn't look good to undecided voters, either (who are the people she needs to win over; preaching to the choir does her no good).

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[MADem]

22. Well, based on the People Meter Liars on this thread, forgive me if I disbelieve your assessment

So, what was that Standing O for Clinton at the end--sore, pro-Big O asses needing a stretch?

Please, the reaction was from a sharp few. And the people meter did NOT "drop to zero" as I had the thing running the whole time.

Whatever. You stay thrilled at the performance of your Messiah.

[Spider Jerusalem]

27. wtf are you on about?

You're offensive and ill-mannered. I never said anything about any 'people meter'. My comments were based on hearing a chorus of audible boos from the audience. And I'm not 'thrilled at the performance of my messiah' (I actually haven't said ANYTHING AT ALL regarding that, thanks; check if you don't believe me). You should bother to ascertain exactly who you're responding to, and what they actually said.

[MADem]

67. The local paper supports my view.

The SO was hers, so they say. See the link downthread.

[Spider Jerusalem]

70. I didn't say anything about a standing ovation, either.

READ what you're responding to, instead of making totally irrelevant comments.

[MADem]

71. No, you said the audience reaction was negative. I dispute your assessment.

I watched the debate with the people meter running, and the reaction is not as you aver.

And she got a standing O at the end. Per the Austin American Statesman.

But go ahead and live in your own reality.

[Spider Jerusalem]

72. The audience reaction to her 'plagiarism' comment was negative.

I'm not talking about the end of the debate.

And if you feel the need to be insulting, I see no point in attempting to even have a discussion.

[MADem]

75. You are hypersensitive. That's your issue.

This is the internet, not a tea party. If you can't manage plain talk, use that "ignore" button and the "hide thread" feature.

It will keep your delicate sensibilities in good order.

[Spider Jerusalem]

76. There's a difference between 'plain talk' and bad manners.

You seem to be incapable of discerning the two. That's your problem, not mine.

[MADem]

77. My manners are fine. Just because you take offense easily, that's not my problem. NT

[Spider Jerusalem]

78. No, your manners are atrocious.

And you seem to think it's excusable because 'this is the internet', as though anonymity provides justification for incivility. If you'd try communicating in a rational manner, without flinging insults, perhaps people wouldn't take offence.

[MADem]

79. Well, aren't you a dog with a bone? If it bothers you so much, I offered you a solution. NT

[Spider Jerusalem]

82. You might consider asking yourself this question:

if you manage to offend EVERYONE whose opinions diverge somewhat from your own, and they ALL ignore you...what do you accomplish by continuing to post here? Mightn't you just as well be in an echo chamber? If everyone agreed on everything, there would be no point to discussion at all. And I don't really see why it shouldn't be possible for there to be a constructive dialogue between people who may have somewhat differing opinions, but who nonetheless agree on many points (e.g. the people here in what is, after all, a partisan political discussion forum). If you think it's REALLY beneficial to promote greater division through incivility, then I really feel rather sorry for you.

[MADem]

86. Well, gee, I don't "have" that problem, but for those who are hypersensitive, there IS an option for

you.

I suspect you like playing the victim, though, because you keep griping at me about how terrible I am. You can feel sorry for me, or not, I really don't care one way or the other. You should learn to 'care a bit less' on this anonymous discussion board, too. It would reduce your angst, and perhaps you'd stop taking every comment that isn't a cheerleading chant for your viewpoint so very personally.

[apocalypsehow]

102. Oh brother, back at it with this same happy horse shit, I see. At least this time you're not

claiming to have "five degrees," one of them "not American" - yet. :eyes:

[Starbucks Anarchist]

34. That was NOT a standing ovation for Clinton -- the debate had ended.

The audience stood up and applauded, then Obama and Hillary got up.

[MADem]

66. The Austin American Stateman is lying, then. OK, fine....

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/politics/entries/2008/02/21/a_cordial_ending_to_the_big_au.html


A cordial ending to the big Austin debate
By Robert Quigley | Thursday, February 21, 2008, 08:57 PM

The Democratic debate in Austin, which was sprinkled with sharp barbs, ended with a friendly moment between the two candidates. The candidates were asked about the times they were tested the most, and Sen. Hillary Clinton drew a standing ovation with her response.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

73. Did you notice the debate mods didn't verbally say the debate was over?

And that everyone was still standing and applauding as Obama and Hillary both stood up?

Hillary's applause bled into the standing ovation -- it wasn't a continuation of applause for her.

[MADem]

81. I will say one thing for "The Acolytes"

They will take anything and everything, even if it doesn't belong to them.

Scorched earth policy rules, I guess.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

84. Yeah, I'm the "acolyte."

:rofl:

Even though I liked Hillary's closing statement and actually thought it was better delivered than Obama's, you stubbornly cling to the belief that the audience gave her a standing O, despite the fact that Obama and Hillary stood up at the standing ovation, not to mention the debate ended immediately after that.

The producers didn't verbally signify the end of the debate to the TV audience, but instead physically signaled it to the studio audience, hence the standing O - the same thing the audience did before and after every break.

[MADem]

85. I think the local paper has no reason to "stubbornly" lie, is all. Ha ha!! NT

[Starbucks Anarchist]

89. So now you believe the media?

Weren't you one of the people complaining about the media's portrayal of Hillary?

:rofl:

[MADem]

90. I provided a cite. If you don't like it, you don't have to rely on it. NT

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[Dorian Gray]

97. Holy cow....

someone is pissed that Clinton's remarks weren't well received. There's no reason to be so confrontational about it, though.

[scheming daemons]

11. People meter doesn't lie.... the line BOMBED big time....

the people meter isn't "Obama Supporters"


First time I ever saw the people meter go to absolute ZERO.

[Quixote1818]

35. Yep, it looked like it went off a cliff! nt

[thevoiceofreason]

21. Funny -- your acolytes on CNN don't agree.

She tried to spin a memorable quote and got booed.

Deservedly so. We've had 7 years of Rovian bs sound bites. Stick with your theme, and go out with dignity.

[Alexander]

56. I didn't realize the candidates were in college.

:eyes:

[MADem]

69. Trouble with contextual reading, is that it? NT

[Alexander]

80. Well, you certainly act like you're in grade school.

Maybe that's why you expect candidates to adhere to school rules.

Poor little innocent you got your perfectly nice posts deleted by the big, bad mods, right?

:rofl: :rofl:

[MADem]

88. I imagine that's a recent enough milestone for you to remember, is that it?

It wasn't MY posts that were the problem...but how attentive of you, nonetheless.

[Alexander]

92. Your deleted posts speak for themselves. Go on, keep whining about the mods.

"It wasn't MY posts that were the problem"

Of course not. It's an evil mod conspiracy. Keep going, you're doing great! Whining about mods and rules is the best way to ensure your stay at DU!

:rofl:

At least I learned the important lessons from grade school. Like, how not to argue like an incompetent jackass.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[MADem]

94. What is your problem? Why do you keep stalking me? NT

[Alexander]

95. You aren't important enough to "stalk". But keep saying that if it makes you feel special.

You're the one who committed the real infractions here, hence your multiple deleted posts.

[MADem]

96. There you go again. nt

[Alexander]

103. Wow, now you're plagiarizing Reagan. If this was college you'd get an "F".

:rofl:

[MADem]

107. Gee, I won't be able to run for President!! Awwwwww.....NT

[apocalypsehow]

104. Yeah, the poster racked up three deleted sub-threads last night, and blamed it all on the Mods -

they were out to "get her," you see. Really quite laughable.

[Danger Mouse]

59. your vile and insulting responses in the subthread

are very telling about your maturity level and the nature of your character.
keep flaming people like this, and see how far it gets you on DU.

[MADem]

68. Look who's talking. NT

[Danger Mouse]

83. You have consistently been one of the nastiest and mean-spirited Clinton supporters.

I know plenty of people on this board who are able to promote Clinton without being rude, condescending, and snarky at every opportunity.
You are not one of these people.

[MADem]

87. No, I haven't Elrond, but thanks for playing. I simply don't allow people to tell untruths.

I correct the record, and I, unlike most of your "squad" actually provide cites for my assertions.

You might try it sometime.

[Alexander]

93. Uh huh. And none of your deleted posts were your fault. Right.

Just like your candidate, you can't take responsibility for anything.

[Danger Mouse]

106. It's the mods! They're against her!

[Danger Mouse]

105. It's amusing that you see it that way.

:hi:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

101. agreed!

[rateyes]

12. She tried to get cute over a nonissue and went negative

about the so-called "plagiarism" that was not plagiarism. If a person gives permission for a line to be used without attribution, it's not plagiarism. She tried to score some cheap points, and the audience wasn't buying it.

[DemGa]

20. It wasn't a line

It was a whole campaign -- speech affect, message, everything - even the crowds even had the same chants of "yes we can."

Do some research -- you may find that Obama is a SHAM.

The "movement" was staged.

[rateyes]

37. "Do some research." Hmmm. Why didn't I think to do that?

:sarcasm:

I guess that anyone who comes to a different conclusion than you simply hasn't done the necessary research. :shrug:

I'm so ashamed of myself for not researching the candidates before I vote. :sarcasm:

(BTW, I've already voted, and didn't vote for either Obama or Clinton---I guess though, if I'd done my research I would have voted for Clinton, right? Because, that's the ONLY candidate that an INFORMED person could ever vote for, right? :crazy:

[DemGa]

41. You mentioned that it was "a line"

If you'd looked deeper into that particular issue, you might not feel that way -- this was a copy of a campaign that went far beyond just a line or two.

It was obvious to me you likely had not researched it. Sorry to elicit all those sarcasm thingys.

[rateyes]

42. Well, you were mistaken as to what was "obvious."

[nomorewhopper]

15. if you are a rabit hillbot, you loved the line, everybody else hated it. she got booed by the crowd

i was watching the live feed on cnn that measured people's reactions, and when she made the xerox comment, her "favorable/negative" response went way, way down.

i personally thought it was disgraceful, and the actual word "xerox" is frankly, archaic in 2008. but the hillary supporters will like hte line because they want to see somebody beat up obama. i doubt it changed anybody's minds in her favor. wisconsin proved that.

[patrice]

16. She said something about copying larger chunks of DP's words and using it over and over.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

17. Here you go:

Hillary mocked Obama's "Change we can believe in" motto by saying, "Change you can Xerox," referring to the "plagiarism" incident on his part.

There were quite a few boos after she said that.

[SnoopDog]

26. Thanks so much - I really did not hear that part and wanted the basics..!

[Starbucks Anarchist]

28. Yeah, all the vague replies were annoying me, too.

:rofl:

[Thrill]

18. She still doesn't realize people don't want to hear that negative

garbage. It fell flat

[LiberalAndProud]

24. I know that somebody will beat me to this.

Roughly:
If your campaign is about words, the words should be your own. If not, it's just a Xerox.

[psychopomp]

33. Link (youtube video9)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftuZFzS3Tc

[Quixote1818]

38. Wow, that was worse for Hillary than I remembered it being. Awkward moment! nt

[grantcart]

44. lol I had to laugh at how many people got on the thread and

didn't answer the question

1) Obama responds to a direct question that getting a suggestion from his National co-chairman and using a couple of lines with his permission is not plagerism

2) He then goes on and casts it as "silly season" and everyone is in basic agreement and he gets wide applause as he says this is an example of what has been the problem with public discourse in politics more applause

3) Hillary then goes into an obviously rehearsed line about if your whole campaign is based on the importance of words then they should really be your own. There is big applause from a very few ardent supporters but it is obvious that she is just stroking the partisan flames that Obama just said we are not going to get into and everyone had enthusiastically agreed to.

4) Hillary having started the riff and getting a little rise from her supporters brings in the punch line "this isn't change you can believe in its a xerox" or something like that. And there are pretty enthusiastic boos. But it was so obviously scripted you couldn't help but realize that Hillary is trying to make points by criticism of not stoping and giving accreditation when if fact she gives a line that has been obviously written for her - and she doesn't give credit to the writer.

I am sure that her partisans think it was great. I think you can officially mark it the end of her campaign. After that she it seemed very strange as if she had been given two competing scripts and when the first script did not work threw that away and started with an entirely different tone. Now everything was hunky dory and she was honored to be on stage with Obama.

[Cosmocat]

46. She is digging a hole in sand ...

whenever she goes after Obama ...

Obama is SO on the high ground with his message being both relentlessly and powerfully, and highly disciplined in a positive manner ... And, it just caves in on her when she takes shots at him ...

Time after time since he started closing on her in January, when she goes after him, it has a negative sum effect for her ...

[SnoopDog]

52. Next time I will be careful not to ask a simple question like this....

[grantcart]

57. ah did you happen to glance at # 59

[woo me with science]

64. LOL

Look what you did! :rofl:

[ORDem]

53. Actually, the best part was at the end.

When Hillary made her closing remarks. Very conciliatory and genuine and it was pretty obvious that her situation is sinking in and she wants to be perceived as gracious before she leaves the race.

:dem:

[grantcart]

58. unfortunately for her it took the internet geeks 18 minutes to find

the exact same words were said by bill clinton in 1992 and that will be shown tomorrow and her candidacy will end on this truly truly ironic note.

[TheZug]

60. Yep. And that sums up why they're losing:

Hypocrisy and being out of touch.

[Raine]

62. Hillary shot herself in the mouth

with that one, finished herself off for good. :evilgrin:

[marshall]

91. She made an ass of herself

Accused Obama of xeroxing speeches--then she apparantly read her closing remarks from a xeroxed copy of one of her husband's speeches.

[casus belli]

65. "Change you can Xerox"...something tells me she was just waiting for a chance to work that in. n/t

[IronLionZion]

99. Why listen to these people when the youtube clip is posted here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x96397

direct youtube link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lowGc16Xy8

there are several clips there in political videos that you might enjoy. Listening to the spinning in this thread will just make you dizzy.