Here's A Clue For Hillary Supporters On DU- When Your Candidate Bets BOOED, It's Bad

[KittyWampus]

especially when it's an audience of Democrats.

[cloud75]

1. Obama Democrats.

[scheming daemons]

3. People-meter of UNDECIDEDS went to absolute zero for her after that line.....

....it was brutal for her.

[high density]

4. Well I didn't see Obama saying anything to get him booed by the Clinton Democrats.

:shrug:

[billbuckhead]

2. Obama movement people booed because she revealed the truth about their hero

It was very funny!

[tammywammy]

6. The undecided meter went to zero when she did that

Does not bode well for Clinton.

[KittyWampus]

10. and thanks for displaying where the real cult-like following is.

[Ichingcarpenter]

22. It was a low blow and the crowd knew it

everyone commented on it here and her nervous grinning afterwords
starring at Obama

[Yurovsky]

39. That's for damn sure ...

those folks are devoid of any grip on reality, but they'll attack like a fireant mound if you take a shot at Queen Hillary.

[AZBlue]

24. Oh, honey.

Really, that's the #1 most DELUSIONAL post I've ever seen on DU. EVER. I'm bothered by seeing someone so lost.

Honey, wake up....

[Raine]

58. That's some spin but no matter

how you spin it...it reflected badly on her and she knew it.

[cloud75]

5. They were obma supporters of course they are going to boo.

[AZBlue]

26. Since when did "undecided Democrats" = "Obama supporters"

You guys really need to get a grip.

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

61. Since about February 5th, as far as I can tell. n/t

[Big Blue Marble]

49. Were these the same "Obama supporters"

that gave her the standing ovation?

[thevoiceofreason]

7. Something as bad as that

She picked up tweety's line of attacking and humiliating Kirk Watson, Austin's state senator who was mayor and is well-loved. That killed her in a 50 mile radius of Austin. Big mistake.

[Usrename]

23. She should be wooing his supporters, instead of belittling them.

As another DUer pointed out in another thread,

"Right now, every time she refuses to treat him or his candidacy as "real" she insults and belittles millions of voters - many of them new voters - a lot like much of DU does here. She basically calls them stupid, ignorant, naive, gullible, etc.
Well guess what, you can stay pissed and angry that someone you think doesn't deserve to be winning is wining, and you can keep INSULTING AND DEMEANING MILLIONS OF VOTERS and think that somehow that's going to get you more votes.... or you can start excepting the fact that you're not the frontrunner, you're in danger of losing, and that Obama is REAL and start WOOING his voters rather than TRASHING THEM." - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4704151&mesg_id=4704495">Political Heretic

[my2sense]

51. Exactly...

I wonder if she knew that before bashing Watson. He was a wonder Austin mayor.

[LizW]

8. Or, it could mean

that a percentage of Obama supporters in the audience, just like a percentage of Obama supporters at DU, are assholes.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. a million more assholes, then,

since that is the diff in popular votes.

thanks, for your warm, friendly, cooperative, and democratic spirit. You make this place so special.

[cooolandrew]

21. All these labels we are getting has made her get big negatives not the best way to campaign.

[LizW]

67. Yeah, I'M the problem at DU

Read the rest of the posts in this thread. And if you are so inclined, go search on my tiny handful of posts here over the last few weeks. Or, for that matter, all my posts over the past five or six years.

I'm sorry if you don't like hearing it, but a handful of people have turned this place into a giant teeming cesspool and I resent being blamed when you obviously have never bothered to read anything I've posted other than this one post, where I at long last called some people what they are.

Just for the record, I AM warm and friendly, and I DO have a cooperative and Democratic spirit, which I demonstrated almost daily here until this place turned into some bizarre, party-splitting freakshow. And if Obama is the Democratic nominee I'll be right there beside you fighting off the right-wing swiftboating attacks 24/7, and voting for him in November so we save what is left of this country. Is that special enough for you?

[FrenchieCat]

47. Wow.....you make my case, when I say that it is Hillary supporters

who attack personally. Keep doing it. I'm taking notes!

[apocalypsehow]

9. They don't care - too busy smearing fellow DUers on the one hand, and bleating about

how the latest primary loss by their candidate "doesn't count" with the other.

[Name removed]

11. Deleted sub-thread

Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Tom Rinaldo]

12. I agree that comment didn't work for her. but...

...the booing came from Obama partisans after she gave them an ideal opportunity to boo. Obama was shaking his head and crying foul on that one - it was a trigger point for those who don't like Hillary all that much to let loose on her. She gave them a good reason to.

[Catherine Vincent]

14. By Obama supporters.

That's not saying much.

[scheming daemons]

16. People meter went to ZERO... that's not Obama supporters.. that's undecideds...

..

[Catherine Vincent]

20. bullshit nt

[Blondiegrrl]

40. Then why did the caption on the CNN cam say it was an audience

of undecideds?

That was the whole point of having the applause meter thing -- it was to gauge the reaction of people who were on the fence.

[jillan]

15. She also got a standing ovation for her last answer.

[Whisp]

17. did not.

it was applause for the end of the debate.

sheeesh.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

68. You're Nuts.

The start of the ovation was absolutely for her. My god are you disingenuous.

[cooolandrew]

18. ...

[psychopomp]

19. Video link here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftuZFzS3Tc

[Auntie Bush]

25. An audience of Obama supporters.

They're the ones that Booed! That wasn't polite to do to a fellow democrat. They're bad.

[Arugula Latte]

27. Why weren't there more Hillary supporters there?

[Auntie Bush]

31. I have no idea how many supporters they each had.

It was Obama supporters that did the booing so they are the ones that are rude.

[GoldieAZ49]

34. every supporter she has in Texas was there

they got the front row

[WolverineDG]

63. Believe me, they were nt

[DUyellow]

38. Prove it was Obama people.... Maybe they were booing Hillary hitting below the belt on a fellow dem

[judaspriestess]

28. she got booed ONE time

I think it would be a different story if she was booed through out the whole debate. It was a kneejerk reaction by certain supporters.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

29. It Was Only A Handful Booing, And More Were Clapping.

Regardless of that, it still was a blown line, though I personally consider it to be one of the best I've ever heard. Overall, probably would've been better to not say it. But people are blowing it way out of proportion here. If you listen to it repeatedly on tv, you clearly hear more people clapping, albeit not with a ton of passion, and a handful of the audience booing, 3 or 4 of them really loudly. But it wasn't this full room boo some are trying to portray, and I definitely hear more individual claps than individual boos. I encourage anyone who recorded it to keep playing that part over and over, and if you do so objectively, you'll see what I mean.

[Emit]

46. Keep repeating that OMC

You're killing me, lol

[Occam Bandage]

65. Keep pushing that. Maybe eventually you'll believe it.

[Karmadillo]

30. Obama voters booing Hillary? OMG!

nt

[VotesForWomen]

32. gee, thanks for changing the tone, obama folks. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

33. And when she gets a huge ovation, it's good, right?

[K Gardner]

35. Yes, especially when she does it with a PLAGIARIZED Edwards speech. I doubt JE gave

her permission to use it.

[MonkeyFunk]

36. You don't seem to understand what plagiarism is...

it's not about sharing an idea. It's about copying the words and phrases.

You think Obama's the first politician to talk about "Hope" or "Change"? That's not plagiarism.

[KittyWampus]

37. Well, her closing lines were plagarized from her husband- she's a flaming hypocrite

Clinton, 92: "The hits that I took in this election are nothing compared to the hits the people of this state and this country have been taking for a long time."

Hillary Clinton, tonight: "You know, the hits I’ve taken in life are nothing compared to what goes on every single day in the lives of people across our country."

[MonkeyFunk]

41. Not plagiarism either

it's expressing the same idea, and rather differently.

In point of fact, only a handful of the billions of people on Earth ever have an original idea.

[loveangelc]

45. Um, could it be they stood up because it was done?

[MonkeyFunk]

48. Umm...

do you know what "ovation" means? She got plenty of them.

[Occam Bandage]

66. Yes. When they got applause, it meant they said something good. When they got booed,

that meant they said something dumb as hell.

[Blue_In_AK]

42. Never mind.

(I find myself saying that a lot lately.)

[Cameron27]

43. Me too.

I finally decided it's not worth the effort of replying at all.

[Blue_In_AK]

44. The ironic thing

is that I'm not even really a Hillary supporter; I just keep feeling the need to jump to her defense. :shrug:

[noiretextatique]

55. me too

:shrug:

[ErnestoG]

50. You would think that was glaringly obvious.

[LadyVT]

52. A few people booed, some people applauded.

[ErnestoG]

53. Obama wasn't booed. That gives Hillary the lead Boo Quotient.

[casus belli]

54. This isn't a FEW people booing, sorry...

Obama/Hillary trade barbs over plagiarism

It's very obvious that a majority of the crowd was not pleased with her response. She wouldn't have had to repeat "If you look" several times to overcome the boos if it were just a couple people making noise.

[FrenchieCat]

56. Well, it should be a "hint"!

[TreasonousBastard]

57. Right! I'm changing my vote again.

[paperbag_ princess]

59. my take

She was taking a risk and trying to create one of those defining moments that change momentum....it flopped for that audience. You could see on her face that her heart wasn't really in the remark...

No regular folks could get into that debate...it was all party insiders who had already chosen their sides...that is why the cheering was evenly split for each candidate.

Now how the xerox remark affects voters is yet unknown. They may react like the Obama voters and think it was a total blunder...but will that one remark change minds?

They may decide that it was rude to boo one of the candidates and soften toward Hillary...thinking her remark didn't deserve that kind of disrespect...there seems to be a bit of a history regarding this type of attitude...the voters let her get kicked around only so much before she gets a bump out of it.


Regarding the end of the debate: I am going to officially argue that you can not plagerize your spouse. After years of political conversations between the two of them ...I am sure that they don't even know who is repeating who...Bill's original lines could have been her idea...

and I agree with those who are arguing that plagerism is not being defined very well....ideas can not be plagerized....only specific phrases and text...

[SKKY]

60. Yea, that was kinda painful to watch, huh?

Getting booed in a debate can't be a good sign. I think her closing argument was the proverbial "hail Mary".

[alteredstate]

62. especially when you do this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ7Cs3QvT3U

[TheZug]

64. They're not booing, they're saying "B . . . . b . . . " okay, they're booing.

[Darth_Kitten]

69. Sad that parents of some Obama supporters didn't teach their kiddies...

how to be gracious.

[GumboYaYa]

70. Booed when she attacks, applauded when she concedes....hmmmm...what should she do next?