CNN lies about their own debate

[XemaSab]

Responding to a question from the panel, Clinton's sharpest attack on Obama came when she went after him for borrowing lines from a speech by Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, his campaign co-chairman, in his own campaign speeches. The Clinton campaign has called that plagiarism.

"If your campaign is going to be about words, they should be your own words," she said. "Lifting whole passages isn't change you can believe in; it's change you can Xerox." Watch the spat over plagiarism »

Some in the audience booed Clinton for the line.

"This is where we start getting into silly season in politics," Obama replied, saying Patrick is a friend who suggested he use the lines. "People start getting tired of it."

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/02/21/debate.main/index.html

It happened the other way around. Obama made the "silly season" remark BEFORE she made the Xerox comment.

CNN's summary makes him look like he was defensive, but in reality her remark after what he said made her look petty, IMHO. If there's bias in CNN's coverage of the debate, it's pro-Clinton bias.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mftuZFzS3Tc

[Danger Mouse]

1. fucking lame.

cnn :thumbsdown:

[Cha]

2. cnn is lame and need to

called out for yet another example of ineptitude.

[emilyg]

5. !!!!

[Egnever]

3. Wow nice catch

Yea no Hillary bias there.:eyes:

[ContinentalOp]

4. That is very sloppy reporting.

I don't think it really matters though. That Xerox line is even worse in print than when she delivered it. It's a pretty awkward barb. "It's change you can Xerox" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue.

[anigbrowl]

6. Expect a lot of this...

The AP article on the debate also had several things back-to-front - as did I, summarizing it for my better half over dinner (we watched a repeat afterwards). Journalists are under pressure to get a story out ASAP as soon as the event ends summarizing. It's common for there to be mistakes in the first story reporting a live event, with corrections going out over the following hours to newspapers and suchlike. That's also why news service get advance copies of speeches - so they don't file inaccurate reports of the speech cobbled together from hastily jotted notes.

A little sloppy, yes, but the internet turns every news assignment into an urgent countdown that must be completed ASAP. It's the downside of instant access to all that news.

[XemaSab]

8. I have noticed this, yes.

It's one of the reasons they sold us on touchscreen voting.

"XOMG! But you can know who won 10 minutes after teh polls close! HUGH! SEREIS!"

Like, it's not that big a deal if you don't know who won until a few hours later or even the next day. Really.

[Hart2008]

7. The same thing happened in '84 after the Reagan-Mondale debate in Louisville.

Mondale got the question about Reagan's age first. Mondale said Reagan's age shouldn't be an issue. Then Reagan made his joke about not taking advantage of his opponents youth and inexperience.

The news media played Reagan's quote first, and then Mondale's, in the reverse order of how it really happened.

They like to package the news to make it more entertaining.

[XemaSab]

9. I thought the defense-offense order

was WAY more interesting and telling than the offense-defence order. :shrug:

[Hart2008]

12. When did Mondale have any offense?

:eyes:

The point was that it appeared that Reagan had rebutted something, when in fact, Mondale had already stated the question wasn't an issue.

Mondale would have been far better served had he mentioned that in '80 Reagan's team stole Carter's briefing book for the debate and had prepared answers for him, and further noting that Reagan's performance in the first debate was less about Reagan's age than the public seeing an actor without his script.

Mondale played it safe and lost 49 states...

[aaronbees]

10. Good eye

And Campbell Brown even asked Clinton before her remark: "Senator Clinton, is it the silly season?"

I guess Clinton's answer was her way of proving it is indeed the silly season. No wonder she got the boos. Clinton waltzed right into that one. Monumentally lame.

[Kitty Herder]

11. CNN seems very biased towards Clinton, to me.

This debate was certainly not the first time I noticed it.

[XemaSab]

13. The post-debate analysis was... not thorough

Someone asked in another thread if they'd even watched the same debate, and yeah, I'm not so sure they did. :P

[City Lights]

18. It's the Clinton Noogie Nooze. eom

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Didn't all that applause bother the hell out of anyone but me?

I kept hoping, after each break, that they would come back and say, 'hold your applause.'

There was also absolutely no followup at all by the questioners.

[XemaSab]

20. I think after 20 debates they should have, like, 2 or 3 issues per debate

with a LOT of followup. :shrug:

[corkhead]

15. NPR reported it that way this morning too.

Then I heard it again on AP news and thought it was me who didn't remember what I saw when I watched it live last night. Thanks for letting me know I am not the crazy one.

[Tom Rinaldo]

16. Well they also left out that Hillary was asked a direct question by a moderator

challengign her to explain her position on the borrowed word flap. It's not like she went looking for a way to weave that issue into her regular answers. You would think maybe the CNN moderators could have asked her and Obama a question about Eduction, or the Envoronment, or economic competition from China, or developments in Serbia and Kosovo perhaps instead

[suston96]

17. All Obama had to say was: as my good friend Governor Deval Patrick says about words......

In fact, Obama did say that after acknowledging his failure to attribute the words to Patrick.

[Darth_Kitten]

19. CNN, pro CLINTON bias?

:rofl: