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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:11 AM
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Poor James Carville. He is totally clueless about the large primary turnouts.
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 02:32 AM by madfloridian
Would you like to read what he said? He honestly doesn't have a clue.

Carville, Matalin say primary season 'incomprehensible'

Every single initial strategy of this amazing primary season of every candidate on both sides has failed," Matalin said. "The reason is the same for the pundits and the strategists -- we don't know what we are doing in this cycle."

There are no templates or models that can account for the massive increase in interest and voter turnout during the primaries, Matalin said.

Carville agreed, noting that the turnout numbers defy explanation. "What we are watching is not historic, what we are watching is not groundbreaking. What we are watching is incomprehensible."

..."But the unmistakable trend, Carville noted, is that turnout increases are higher and more motivated among Democrats. "It is staggering the turnout we are seeing."


Yes, James, we are seeing staggering turnouts. Does something have to hit you right in the face to give you a clue?

You tried to bring down one of the main people who is driving this turnout during his tenure at the DNC. It is called the 50 State Strategy. There are political directors on the ground in states, there is a neighbor to neighbor reachout going on. Why do you think Dean travels and meets with group most of the time with media excluded? He doesn't want you to know...so you can't accuse him of something else.

You took a time, James, when we were all still glowing over our November 2006 wins. And then you deliberately and with malice burst the bubble. You accused that chairman of being incompetent and you implied the Clintons were in on it with you. Rahm as well.

Carville says the Clintons did not tell him to quit attacking Dean....he said silence was eloquent.

Flush with victory after the election, Rahm’s allies, led by Carville, try to mount a coup at the DNC by publicly attacking Dean and suggesting he be replaced by Harold Ford, a Tennessee moderate who just lost a Senate race. “You can’t go into 2008 having a party chairman that is completely disconnected from the congressional leadership and the campaign committees,” Carville tells me, further pounding the wedge that divides the Deaniacs and the Clintonites. When I ask if Rahm agrees, Carville says, “It’s not any secret that Rahm has expressed disdain for Dean and not very secret that Rahm and I are close. It doesn’t take a lot of dot-connecting here.”

What about the Clintons, who, given Hillary’s presidential ambitions, have more cause for concern about who runs the DNC in 2008? “Let’s just say nobody has called me telling me this is a bad idea. Sometimes silence is eloquence.” Not only did Carville’s coup fail but it arguably strengthened Dean, who, speaking before his state-party allies, mocked the attempt as a desperate attack from the “old Democratic Party.” Cutting his losses, Rahm quickly leaked word to the press that he and Dean had negotiated a truce.


And secondly, James, you forgot the most important thing of all. People are actually inspired by someone who does not do the DLC speak that has been drummed into our candidates for a couple of decades.

Barack Obama is driving the turnout, Howard Dean is behind the scenes driving the turn out.
And you go around with that wife of yours to all the speaking events....and you have the nerve to say you don't know why there is a huge turnout?

You need to go home to pink and red plaid living room, and sit there with Mary. That Pepto Bismol room, I call it.

And leave the ones who are inspiring us alone. Stop attacking, stop all of your put downs.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:14 AM
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1. I forgot...that room has circles and some stripes as well.


Go home.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:41 AM
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13. Um... is that really their living room?
:puke:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:43 AM
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14. Yes. Their dining room is orange and tones of coral.
The pictures are in Architectural Digest. Lovely home on the exterior, not so nice inside.
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ContinentalOp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:00 AM
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22. Good god.
I hope this doesn't come across as too sexist. I mean I love me the pink, don't get me wrong. But when you have a supposed Democratic strategist who is married to a Republican strategist and their living room looks like THAT! I think it's pretty clear who is calling the shots in that family.

Not that there's anything wrong with that normally. I come from an very matriarchal family myself but in this particular case I find it... interesting.
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:33 AM
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28. Maybe they should rent it to Code Pink n/t
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Algorem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 07:30 AM
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30. she knows what she's doing

http://www.colormatters.com/body_pink.html

Can pink make strong men weak? Do pink jail cells create a calming effect? Is it true that football locker rooms (the ones for the visiting/opposing teams) are painted a certain shade of pink to weaken the players?

Yes and no! Here are the facts and some opinions:
Research - Baker Miller Pink

Courtesy of Color Voodoo Publications - Copyright 1999 - All rights reserved

One of the most interesting examples of color effects is Baker-Miller Pink - a color that's close to the bubble gum pink background color of this web page ( R:255, G:145, B:175) . Also known as :drunk tank pink," this color is used to calm violent prisoners in jails. Dr. Alexander Schauss, Ph.D., director of the American Institute for Biosocial Research in Tacoma Washington, was the first to report the suppression of angry, antagonistic, and anxiety ridden behavior among prisoners: "Even if a person tries to be angry or aggressive in the presence of pink, he can't. The heart muscles can’t race fast enough. It’s a tranquilizing color that saps your energy. Even the color-blind are tranquilized by pink rooms." (1) In spite of these powerful effects, there is substantial evidence that these reactions are short term. Once the body returns to a state of equilibrium, a prisoner may regress to an even more agitated state....


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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:11 PM
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57. LOL
I just be crazy them...to me blue and green are calming colors. Pink and red annoy me.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:47 AM
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15. Oh My! No Wonder He's Gone Bonkers.
I can't imagine sitting in that room for 5 minutes without freaking out.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:56 AM
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21. Wow.
Just wow.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:09 AM
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31. mmm what a lovely brothel!
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Marnieworld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:20 AM
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37. Oh the humanity!
:puke:
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #37
46. Oh the HUGH MANATEES!
as we like to say around here
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:27 PM
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47. that room looks like one part PeeWee's PlayHouse and one part Bordello
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:09 PM
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54. Sounds like the kind of place that PeeWee would really like!
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:53 PM
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51. GAWD that is hideous.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:16 AM
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2. Oh yeah - I'm glad I stayed up long enough to read this
One of the side benefits of the departure of the Clintons from national politics would be not having to see or hear this piece of shit anymore.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:17 AM
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3. Can you tell....
I don't like the man?
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:21 AM
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4. He's a cyst on the anus of american politics
And just as worthless as that other more famous anal cyst..
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:22 AM
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5. yep, paying attention to all 50 states is a great idea
Obama has even been to my state, and our primary isn't until May.

People are very excited about the election, and more people are getting involved than before.

Probably more people registered as Dems now too.

Who wants to vote for a republican this year?
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:23 AM
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6. Why don't you stop attacking?
Geez, get over it already!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:49 AM
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17. Why? You know for being from Louisiana
he's not very well liked after Katrina.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:51 AM
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18. Oh Yeah, Don't Attack Carville
Are you kidding me? Carville is the Prince of Attack Politics and you are defending him? Let's see you defend that living room!
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:05 AM
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26. self delete
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 04:06 AM by ErnestoG
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:05 AM
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27. Carville is walking dung. He hasn't done a thing for Democrats, in recent memory
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 04:05 AM by ErnestoG
except help them lose.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 06:34 AM
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29. I just think it's stupid
to attack him year after year because he supported somebody other than Howard Dean. It's obsessive, it's weird, it's sorta sick.

Why am I defending him? Because he's a solid Dem.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:27 AM
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34. He's a dumbass, and the bad advice...
from him and Wolfson and Penn is probably what totally screwed Hillary. She spent too much time listening to those triangulators and not enough time listening to her heart. At this point, I feel sorry for her.
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:37 AM
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35. And since there's hardly a dime's worth of difference
between her and Obama on policy, who are Obama's triangulating advisors?
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:10 AM
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36. Policy? Oh, no, I'm talking about style differences.
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 09:11 AM by crispini
Hillary has had a tough row to hoe. In that last remark in her debate last night I really felt like she was showing her genuine self and compassion for the American people. If she'd managed to campaign like that all along, I think she would have done much better. I wish she had listened to George Lakoff. The fact is that the electorate responds more to ideas and to stories than to policy positions. Obama gets that, completely.

I'm blaming Penn and Wolfson because, thinking back to the 2000 election, Gore had the same problem -- he was seen in the public eye as too wonkish, wooden, triangulating. After the election when he just spoke with passion about a subject he truly cared about (the slideshow) he became a rock star. And wasn't Mark Penn one of his advisers?

Edited to add: but of course, I don't really *know* who she's listening to. I'm not psyching, after all. ;)
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #35
66. Put up your Dookus! Er, woops did I say that?
oh dear...
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:08 PM
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55. He Did His Best To Keep * In Office And
he sleeps with the enemy. Your hatred of Dean is sadly misplaced as was his.
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Downtown Hound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:45 PM
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58. A solid Dem who's strategies cost us more lost elections
than I care to think about. His one success would be Clinton's presidency. But thanks to his and McAuliffe's incredibly bad tactics, we lost Congress for 12 years and the presidency too. Carville is a relic and a tired old man. He had his day in the sun, and he blew it. He needs to disappear from public life.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:06 PM
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60. Deleted message
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Morereason Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:45 AM
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62. Used to love him, but turns out he is a fake and a creep
I used to think he was great, but either he and others that ran Clinton's campaign were not being earnest, or they sold out and lost their way in the interim. For me he is a hypocrite and symbol of what is wrong with out countries politics and leadership class.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:02 AM
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39. I would not be so upset with him except for what he did in November 2006
right after we won. He did a whole round of attacks on Dean, and it was like throwing ice water on our happiness in seeing Democrats win.
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lligrd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:10 PM
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56. Yep, He Showed His True Colors Then
Gloating over how he helped us lose the election and gave * another 4 years to decimate the country. Unforgivable in my book.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:23 AM
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7. its the candidate, stupid or
its the consultant, stupid
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:31 AM
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8. I met Carville... when? 98? 99?
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 02:42 AM by dmesg
At Mancini's in Alexandria. He and Moran were getting breakfast there. I loved his book back in the day and got him to autograph the inside of my garrison cover (I was in uniform that day; he wrote "from one lifelong corporal to another").

It's sad whenever time passes someone you admire by. The days of $2000-a-plate dinners attended by donors whom you woo with certain legislative plumbs are -- not over, really, not yet, but losing their relevance. That was his kind of politics, and he was very good at them. Carville squeezed the middle and pared down the swing states and swing districts as much as we thought was possible. But then Rove showed us it could be done even more, to the point of absurdity. And now there's no middle left. Like our housing bubble, there's no credit left to squeeze out.

Carville, sadly, is a dinosaur. While he once ruled the plains of Gondwanaland, smarter, smaller, and faster mammals have been moving into niches he couldn't be bothered with and eating up his former food.

ON EDIT: If anyone is wondering, Moran is a somewhat-ethically-challenged rep from Virginia, briefly my Congressman. Good in a lot of ways but has trouble keeping his fingers out of the piggy bank. So, the Freeper-inspired use of the term "Moran" here has always amused me.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:33 AM
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9. We never used to miss him on TV. We just thought he was hilarious.
Now we don't think so. His humor and comments have turned cruel.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:40 AM
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12. His chance to redeem himself was Katrina
He did so little then with the voice he can get from the media.
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misanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:37 AM
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10. I'd like to see someone pack up Carville and Matalin and Rove and Penn...
...and all of their ilk and just send them...AWAY. Anywhere far, far away so their poison can be diluted by distance.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:53 AM
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19. That's another reason why I think
Obama winning is so important. Can you imagine the infiltration of the airwaves and corridors of the white house by the dinoloserclub if hilary gets in? Enough to make the hair stand up on your 'ead.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:38 AM
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11. I wonder what his Lovely wife thinks too?
NOT.....

NO WAY IN HELL, anyone could be married to someone that supported this
illegal, corrupt cabal for all these years with such power without selling the little part
of his soul and honor if he ever had any left after Gore.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:48 AM
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16. I am so glad that the likes of him and Rahm Emanuel will be
Marginalized and their influence wane.

The DLC influence needs to be eradicated, and we can thank Gov. Dean for staying the course of the fifty-state strategy which will enable a candidate other than the one anointed by the corporatists and the DLC wing to win this election.

Sending Carville and his political insider enablers to the trash heap must be very satisfying for Gov. Dean.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:55 AM
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20. Gov. Dean for VP
Carville is really a metaphor for what is wrong with this party.

He goes to bed with someone who has the power of her voice to
stop a war, stop a criminal regime and doesn't. She is a voice
to the Neo-Cons, the rapist and thief to our nation and its peoples.
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 04:02 AM
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25. Now THERE's a thought!
Dean for VP...hmmmmm.

I'd hate to see him get out of politics after his term is up. I'd LOVE to see him as VP, except that the president (whoever that would be) would need to use him as a lot more than a funeral-goer. His personality is much too strong for that, plus his ideas are valuable.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:54 AM
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23. If the Clintons controlled the DNC, I wonder if they could have gotten more favorable rules.
Just a thought.

Thank goodness Dean is fair-minded.
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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 03:57 AM
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24. That's not hard to figure, have you seen all the PINK in the house they live in!?!
:scared:
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mtnester Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:11 AM
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32. Stockholm Syndrome
when you eat, sleep, bathe and live with the enemy....well, it is what it is
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:22 AM
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33. zOMG! Carville is SO YESTERDAY!
Dean gets it!
The grassroots gets it!
Obama gets it!

We're busting our asses out here and Carville doesn't get it!

How clueless is he! :wow:

Someone email him this thread, I want to tell him he's a dumb fuck!?!%%#%^#@^&
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 09:29 AM
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38. It isn't Obama that is driving the high turnout
It is both Obama and Clinton. Two strong candidates and there were some other credible candidates at the beginning too. If Obama or Clinton were not running the turnout would not be as high.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:15 PM
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42. I think you are partially correct.
Part of the flood of support for Obama is motivated by those who want to say "NO" to Hillary, the Clinton Machine, and the DLC.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:06 AM
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40. I can understand why obama set up campaign offices in red
states that in the general will not go blue. Delegate count, delegate count, and it was a good move on their part. I give them a thumbs up and this may prove to be the difference in this election the added delegate count he got way above those of hrc.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 11:41 AM
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41. You don't think red states count either? LOL
You just never know.

Meanwhile Hillary is busy flip flopping on the Fl and MI delegates. Last night she said the rules are the rules...today she changed her mind.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/hillary_i_will_press_to_get_fl.php

She did not tell the truth in a debate before millions.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:18 PM
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43. There are NO "Red States".
There are only Purple States.
There are Democrats everywhere.
Abandoning ANY states Democrats is NOT a good idea.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:21 PM
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44. Because the 50-state strategy is SMART....
even in Red states that he might not pick up in the fall, his organization might help some Dems down-ticket... which means a stronger majority in both houses.

He wants a fillibuster-proof senate too.

It's called "thinking about the big picture".



It also shows that he is a better executive than Hillary Clinton. See the big picture. Excellent at advance planning and resource management.


Bodes well for his presidency.
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ieoeja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:46 PM
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48. Down-ticket and "might".

How would anyone know how a Democratic presidential nominee will fare in those "red" states since no Democratic presidential nominee has run a full campaign in those states in decades?

Not to mention the fact that we are not just campaigning for this election. We are campaigning for the future. If all the red staters hear is rightwing propaganda year after year after year, then how will they ever learn the truth?

In the past twenty-five years my hometown has gone from solidly Democratic to solidly Republic. So far as I can tell, the people there haven't changed their minds on any issues. They have just been told over and over again that the Democratic Party wants to take their guns and bibles, open taxpayer funded abortion clinics in high school, etc. And the Democratic Party hasn't made any effort to tell them otherwise because this solidly Democratic city, and a few others nearby, are in a solidly Republican state.


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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:50 AM
Response to Reply #40
67. There are no red states.
Deal with it, learn it, own it.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:22 PM
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45. They lost control in 2005 - they can't get CLOSE ENOUGH to process to sabotage it for Obama
the way they did in 2004 for Kerry.

TeamClinton showed themselves to be willing to do anything to protect Bushthe last 7 years just so they could have Hillary2008. Well, there are millions of us thrilled that action was stopped.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:48 PM
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49. How is Howard Dean driving the turnout?
I know I'm going to get dismissed as trying to bring Dean down, but help me understand.

I think turnout is being driven by a close race, personally.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:53 PM
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52. It was in my OP.
Edited on Fri Feb-22-08 12:58 PM by madfloridian
It is structure and on the ground organization.
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LoZoccolo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 01:06 PM
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53. I live in the county with the strongest Democratic organization in the world.
No one told me to go vote in the primary.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 12:51 PM
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50. And these two are supposed to be political geniuses? Seems pretty clear to me that Obama is
bringing voters to the primaries who have never voted in a primary before. He is pulling in independents and Republicans where the rules allow it. Where is the mystery?
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fadedrose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 02:48 PM
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59. Also, James
It wasn't mentioned above that Americans want CHANGE, not more of the same. They are tired of Bushes and Clintons. 20 years of 2 families is enough.

Try real hard to understand that point and everything else is a moot issue and certainly not incomprehensible.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-22-08 08:46 PM
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61. Although I agree with most of the anti- Carville comments in this thread
I believe the large turnout is due to:

1. Stolen Election 2000
2. Stolen Election 2004
3. The Iraq War
4. The economy/health care/insurance
5. Job Losses
6. Foreclosures
7. Inflation (real inflation statistics are not being revealed)
8. People realize they cannot live under Republican Rule
9. 50 State Strategy
10. Along came Obama, promising Change in Washington, promising to restore faith in the system. People are fed up with status quo.

I also believe people are tired of the same two families being in the white house for so long. They are ready for new blood, they are ready for someone to ride that stallion into DC and give them back what they have been needing for so long - jobs, insurance, and end to the War, diplomatic solutions to world problems, etc...

The DC politicians may not realize that the common person does understand fully well the last election was hijacked. They do not realize how angry the people are about it. They believe they have us all hoodwinked, that people have faith in the election system. Ask any person with half a brain how crooked our election system is, they will tell you. The corrupt politicians thought they could sweep the matter under the rug, make everyone think there was a recount in 04 and no one would notice. Fortunately for us, our country is not near as stupid as the idiots think us to be!

That is why there is a large turnout - people know, people hope, people believe that a fresh face in DC will take care of the corruption of BOTH parties!
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Morereason Donating Member (496 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:49 AM
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65. I want to rec your post! Maybe you can repost it as a new thread? Totally right on.
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:29 AM
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70. Will start a new thread
on this as soon as one of my 3 in the past 24 hours expires...
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NoBushSpokenHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 06:46 AM
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71. Its posted... link
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:50 AM
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68. People have been FURIOUS for years and these smarmy asswipes like Carville
are too isolated from reality to realize it...They still think it's 1993.
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:48 AM
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63. Old Guard, bye bye and good luck in your next career
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 02:51 AM
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69. A-fuggin-men.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 01:48 AM
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64. You're such a keeper madflordian! Thanks for this great post
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-23-08 07:37 PM
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72. Most disagree with you...
But that's ok. Thanks.

:hi:
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