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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:01 PM Original message |
My qualms about the "Movement" for Obama. |
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Maddy McCall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Tom... |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. I second that. |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm just glad people don't copycat thread titles like the do in the Lounge |
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DS1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
3. This thread leaves an unpleasant taste in my mouth |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Spit it out. n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #3 |
190. Nonsense. Truth is delicious. |
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Mags (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well said |
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AlCzervik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
6. one the worst yet funniest thread titles ever in this forum. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. OK OK, I edited the title, lol n/t |
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underpants (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Yeah |
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JuniperLea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
8. Yes... |
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NastyRiffraff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
10. Excellent, thoughtful post |
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ginnyinWI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
174. I think it's just the anonymous nature of online posting. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:19 PM Response to Original message |
11. "If Obama's movement is alienating support from Democrats who think highly of Hillary Clinton" |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:23 PM Original message |
Obama's supporters are no more alienated by Obama's campaign that |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
21. "Not everyone is seeing this election race through your eyes." Right, the other eyes belong to |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I am continually making efforts in support of that day n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
188. Really? How? |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
61. apparently Clinton supporters are being alienated HERE - at DU |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. You know what prompted me to write this? |
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ZinZen (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:48 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. Well, those threads are wrong |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:12 PM Response to Reply #71 |
80. We share the same hopes and I will gladly work for Obama if he wins the nomination |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #69 |
99. that was a thread that I R'd as well |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:16 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Well there was a history behind that thread also |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:03 AM Response to Reply #102 |
128. POI: Birch Bayh died a long time ago. you mean Evan, surely. I would not support him. |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:18 AM Response to Reply #128 |
135. I need to correct this: Birch Bayh is still kicking. Hooray! He is a good one. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:38 AM Response to Reply #135 |
144. I'm glad you were wrong on that also, and thanks for correcting my mindless mistake |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:18 PM Response to Reply #144 |
180. I wish he was, though. Even a mimeograph would be acceptable. Or a lithograph. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #128 |
184. I just want to say that I really liked this post - I meant to reply earlier |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
105. You can't say much around here without people jumping all over you - no matter how sincere |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. the genesis of the "alienation" is exactly as you have outlined |
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DemocratSinceBirth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #16 |
65. I Hear This Sentiment From The Fans Of Winning Sports Teams |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 05:27 AM Response to Reply #11 |
137. yes i am feeling totally alienated by the Obama supporters and his entire camp! |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #137 |
156. Change is hard |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #156 |
167. it is not change...if rudeness and irresponsibility is the change you are talking about |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #167 |
178. Obama is not a Democrat? Curious, why do you say that? |
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CatnHat (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
183. Definitely |
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Akimbo2112 (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 12:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
210. Actually, they are alienating more than a few... |
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judaspriestess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
12. Its the meta-message that leaves me deeply concerned |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I agree, his campaign gives the signals. His so-called leadership |
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flyarm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:46 AM Response to Reply #22 |
168. i could not agree with you more! eom |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:45 AM Response to Reply #12 |
131. What does calling Obama supporters cultists or "unreal" get us? Is that a signal too? |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
13. There is no "movement". There is only strong support for Obama. That is all. |
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Umbram (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
14. You find what you look for. |
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f the letter (402 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:46 PM Response to Reply #14 |
176. Well said.. as the good Doctor Gonzo would say, it's |
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Prophet 451 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
193. Seconded |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
15. I appreciate your thoughts, Tom |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. A really good post Cali, Thanks |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:15 AM Response to Reply #20 |
159. A movement that started with McClurkin last October |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
17. The Pied Piper strikes again |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
18. I have felt alienated by BO himself.... |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:42 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Exactly, he could have spoken out about the sexist attacks on |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #18 |
29. The pictures of him looking at Hillary with contempt and condencension bother me. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
38. Obama has done well being gracious in person toward his opponent |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Of course they sat him down and explained things to him. It did |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
81. I get the feeling that he likes |
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RandomKoolzip (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:47 AM Response to Reply #81 |
146. That's a FEELING. It has nothing to do with reality. |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:38 PM Response to Reply #146 |
196. I see it sometimes in his actions, too. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:10 PM Response to Reply #196 |
200. He gives me a very distrusting feeling...nt. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #146 |
199. Time will tell about my gut....it has |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:32 PM Response to Reply #18 |
50. i felt alienated too and his supporters speak the same language in cruder terms |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
83. Regarding Einstein..... |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:23 AM Response to Reply #83 |
136. here ya go |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:02 PM Response to Reply #136 |
198. Of course there are many references that debunk.... |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:52 PM Response to Reply #18 |
114. if you think he is repub lite, then explain his pure liberal voting record in the senate? |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:35 AM Response to Reply #114 |
124. Women and Blacks have been |
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Silver Gaia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 06:07 AM Response to Reply #124 |
138. Thank you for this post, femrap. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #138 |
155. Wow...I wake up this morning and |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:33 AM Response to Reply #124 |
143. This needs to be it's own thread - maybe two of them |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #143 |
157. What a surprise...I wake up to |
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BleedingHeartPatriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:26 AM Response to Reply #124 |
149. femrap. thank you for this post. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #149 |
153. Wow...what a lovely surprise. |
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angie_love (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #124 |
182. I appreciate your honest post and heres my response, pls read |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #18 |
122. femrap |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:50 AM Response to Reply #122 |
126. Thank you so much...I |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:31 AM Response to Reply #126 |
127. :o) |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
148. "It seems that mentioning race is a huge taboo, but ridiculing older women is fun, hip!" |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:13 AM Response to Reply #148 |
158. Cut and paste. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:23 AM Response to Reply #158 |
161. But cut and paste is old technology also |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:39 AM Response to Reply #161 |
165. Whatever. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:41 AM Response to Reply #165 |
166. I didn't argue with that backlash |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:02 PM Response to Reply #166 |
173. You know what, I never realized that she was such a favorite here. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:51 PM Response to Reply #148 |
206. I totally missed that... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
189. I've felt the same but if you look here.... |
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Breeze54 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
191. dupe |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
197. I agree with your assessment and I am a male Edwards supporter |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:33 PM Response to Reply #197 |
203. I was for Edwards as well.... |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:08 PM Response to Reply #203 |
207. Obama has a very complicated family in Kenya and UK |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:27 PM Response to Reply #207 |
208. Oh shit....nt. |
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Raffi Ella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
19. oh you SO NAILED it! |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. Can I use that beautiful photo of Hillary as an avatar, DemEtienne? |
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Raffi Ella (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Yes, of course! |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
42. Thank you so much. |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
24. Excellent post, Tom. |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #24 |
89. Now that's a fact! |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:40 PM Response to Original message |
25. Some Obama supporters also feel alienated by Clinton supporters. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. Yes, it does go in both directions |
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2_CentsWorth (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
26. Karl Rove's article on Obama's vulnerability |
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carlotta (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
30. Obama's flawed argument |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Absolutely. I wish someone could get him to speak about this. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:01 AM Response to Reply #30 |
147. Those "vast majorities" include many Republicans |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #147 |
150. Nothing wrong with convincing Republican voters to leave their party |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:51 AM Response to Reply #150 |
169. Hmm |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #169 |
181. When framed the wayI did no one would say that they expected that to happen |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #30 |
163. Clinton wants to let the lobbyists and special interests run things. |
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emilyg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:46 PM Response to Original message |
32. k/r |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. K&R |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:52 PM Response to Original message |
35. I am trying to ignore the supporters on both sides & the media and focus on the candidates. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #35 |
39. I do also. But it is hard to ignore both supporters AND the media |
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nam78_two (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Oh it is definitely hard |
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murielm99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. You are right that there is not that much difference |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:33 AM Response to Reply #35 |
123. Women's issues n/t |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
37. Great points - and I blame the media mostly - and not just MSM, and not just on line |
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paperbag_ princess (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
41. great thread |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
44. The only hatred I've seen within the movement is right here at DU... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Actually, Randi has now skits making fun of Hillary - and the tone is DU grade |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. There are a lot of angry and frustrated people these days... |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:06 PM Response to Reply #56 |
107. Why the frustration? MSM is serenading ya, money pouring in, GOp-ers cross over |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. The Obama voters I'm working with on GOTV are thrilled... |
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kerry-is-my-prez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:00 AM Response to Reply #49 |
119. What I don't get is that they're winning - I like to think I'd be pretty happy. |
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sueragingroz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #49 |
151. That is so disappointing |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #49 |
172. Rhandi and Ed and the whole line up gone from my dial |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #44 |
57. Have you been to Daily Kos lately ? |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. No, but that's what happens online... |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. No, that's what happens in real life too |
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polichick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Why dwell on the haters?? |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. I have no like minded real life friends |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:48 AM Response to Reply #78 |
139. Why dwell on the haters? Because they are overwhelming in their presence, online and in the media. |
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mpendragon (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
45. hope by itself isn't empty |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:17 PM Response to Original message |
46. Bowel trouble? |
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Leopolds Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 01:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
211. It's just the tired old rhetoric of the Split-Pants party... |
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intaglio (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
47. Tom, You try talkinf reason to HRC supporters |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:40 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Just checking in quickly now - I'll get back to you more later |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:29 PM Response to Reply #47 |
85. A follow up reply |
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sueragingroz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #85 |
152. excellent post /nt |
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AGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
48. K and R... |
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jasmine621 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
51. I read you post again. This time something even more troubling |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:25 PM Response to Reply #51 |
67. Yup. Purging history is one of the stakes in this election - hence the big bucks |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:34 AM Response to Reply #51 |
130. It was only the Clinton campaign that falsely claimed he said "good ideas"- or "revering" Reagan. |
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unc70 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #130 |
195. No, Obama said it himself. Using all the coded language of Reagan and Jesse Helms |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:20 PM Response to Reply #195 |
201. I will do so, unc70 - always open to the fact that i can miss stuff entirely or in subtle ways. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:40 PM Response to Original message |
52. Rose colored glasses my friend |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 04:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I agree with you, Egnever. |
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Egnever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:07 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. That just adds to the list |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:38 PM Response to Reply #58 |
86. Whether or not it is Obama's intent |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #86 |
111. Only if he embraces them, O wise one. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #52 |
88. Sorry it has taken so long to get around to your post |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
59. Hardcore Edwards Supporters are still deciding, most are |
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catagory5 (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. OP thank you |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
90. Hi Catchawave! Thanks |
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whatchamacallit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:12 PM Response to Original message |
64. Utter crap |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
91. I like you too. n/t |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:23 PM Response to Reply #64 |
94. You haven't been around long enough to make such a decision. |
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Auntie Bush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
95. Dupe, sorry. |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:25 PM Response to Original message |
66. Tom, if the world were DU, I'd say well done. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:10 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. I don't think DU is the real world Capn |
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Tennessee Gal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
68. Tom, you have expressed in real terms exactly what I think. |
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Whisp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
70. it starts from the top. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:48 PM Response to Original message |
72. Tom, they said the same thing about the Dean movement. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #72 |
92. I'm sorry you "resent the concern" MF |
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Bongo Prophet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:12 AM Response to Reply #92 |
134. As I prepare to log off, I just want to say that I appreciate your thoughtfulness & share your goals |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:49 PM Response to Original message |
73. Very well stated |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
74. Do you think Hillary is a good leader to go against party rulings? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #74 |
96. Here is my "short answer", lol (it's a big question) |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #96 |
109. The rules say the DNC has control over the primary dates. |
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TheDoorbellRang (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:54 PM Response to Original message |
75. I think a lot of the acrimony is because of the B*sh presidency |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #75 |
93. Thanks for putting that into words |
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murielm99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #75 |
98. I can remember similar sentiments after the first Bush |
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sueragingroz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #75 |
154. I agree. Much is at stake. /nt |
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Johnny__Motown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 05:57 PM Response to Original message |
76. You need to apply the same standards to Hillary you clearly don't this is hypocritical |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
82. Thank you, Tom. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 06:51 PM Response to Original message |
87. I think these are all valid points, Tom. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:39 PM Response to Reply #87 |
103. It would be a great ticket if both parties actually felt good about it |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 07:34 PM Response to Original message |
97. Short OP: "There's some dickheads that support Obama & post at DU... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:02 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. You could get a job writing headlines for the New York Post n/t |
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Viking12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:06 AM Response to Reply #100 |
120. ..and you a feature writer for 'Concern Troll Quarterly' n/t |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:16 AM Response to Reply #120 |
121. Thanks for the kick n/t |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:13 PM Response to Original message |
101. I view Clintons differently than you based on THEIR ACTIONS over the years against other Dems |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:55 PM Response to Reply #101 |
106. Your first link is about Bill Clinton. Your second link is about James Carville. |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:09 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. It's an obsessive poster. I doubt Obama even figures in the equation - it's just |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 04:04 AM Response to Reply #108 |
133. Why robbed? Why say that about me when you could just try and refute what |
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robbedvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:59 AM Response to Reply #133 |
142. because after 100 times, refuting becomes futile. You post the same thing over and over |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 05:17 PM Response to Reply #142 |
194. Then show me where McAuliffe secured the election process and where Carville |
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blm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:56 AM Response to Reply #106 |
132. You think they act separately? And I doubt Parry has ever even been quoted by a RW |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
104. They're pushing a candidate who will lose in the GE |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:45 PM Response to Reply #104 |
112. Hillary, with her negative ratings is the guaranteed loser, not Obama. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:07 AM Response to Reply #112 |
129. That's what the polls say. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #129 |
145. That's what the polls said about Mike Dukakis also |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:21 AM Response to Reply #145 |
160. Link? n/t |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #160 |
162. There was a poll posted on GD-P yesterday with that as the OP |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:29 AM Response to Reply #160 |
209. Here you go. A brand new one. Clinton running 7 points better in Ohio against McCain: |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #145 |
204. Obama never bounced around in a damned tank |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 09:48 PM Response to Original message |
113. Recommended reading. Kick for the weekend crowd. |
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Spiffarino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:31 PM Response to Original message |
115. Good post |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
116. His movement is more based on voters with cross overs they will pressure GOP candidates in a liberal |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
117. It's my second time around as a cult member. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-22-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #117 |
118. I didn't call you a cult member then and I don't call you one now either n/t |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
125. Excellent post. K & R. nt |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:50 AM Response to Original message |
140. Thank you for another well-reasoned opinion piece, Tom, with which I agree completely. |
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libbygurl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
141. K & R! |
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devilindisguise (192 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
164. Phoney Cheers for Obama |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
170. I vs. We - Hillary's dilemma |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 11:56 AM Response to Reply #170 |
171. I never thought of that. You are right. Excellent point. n/t |
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bluerum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
175. The paradox has been - vilify Clinton and her supporters - reach out to the repukes. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 12:51 PM Response to Reply #175 |
177. I can't wrap my brain around that either |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #175 |
205. No one has embraced the pro war GOP like Hillary Clinton and J Lieberman |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
179. I've been reading this thread for the last couple of days |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
185. Where will the Obama supporters be after the election? |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:05 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. Excellent question. (eom) |
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artfan (346 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:02 PM Response to Original message |
186. As far as I am concerned Obama jumped the shark |
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BooScout (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
192. Excellent Post |
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oasis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-23-08 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
202. C'mon gang let's "get real". And I mean that. |
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cooolandrew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
212. The difference I find is that there hasn't been anylebelling of HRC uspporters. We accept your |
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