How Does Hillary Have Such A Smooth Face Sometimes?

[JimGinPA]

Last night at the debate she didn't have a wrinkle, but today she looks much older. Is it makeup or some kind of treatments to smooth her skin? Not any kind of slam I'm just curious.

[eleny]

1. She did look fabulous

I'd say she had an invigorating facial and professional makeup done. Her eyes looked really great.

[blogslut]

2. bright lights

I'm not kidding. Bright lighting washes away many years.

[tishaLA]

19. It's why Oprah looks so great on her show too

and in person....not so much. But Oprah really has super duper lighting on her show because, she once explained, black skin has to be lit in a particular way.

[blogslut]

21. I'm a fan of underlights

And back lighting.

Natural light too, as long as it's from a window.

But in a perfect world, all my photos would be in B/W. Everyone looks better in B/W.

[misanthrope]

34. Very true...

...I know setting brightness and contrast levels for printing photos vary greatly between white and black folks.

[NashVegas]

68. Yeah, It Does

Very challenging for shooting - even more so when the subject is just off the boat, or only a generation or so. First time I ever tried, all you could see were teeth.

[ronnykmarshall]

47. I've seen her in person

and she looks fantastic. I was front row when I saw her this past summer and she looks wonderful.

[blogslut]

56. I agree

I'm just saying that bright lighting washes out the planes and lines on the face. That's why, in theater, one must apply makeup with a vengeance. The contours of the face dissappear.

I noticed last night that she looks exceptionally good when the camera aims at her directly.

I'm not slamming her. She's a pretty woman, always has been. Great cheekbones.

However, bad lighting and camera angles can mess with anyone's look. For example, I look better from my right side than my left. And overheard lighting is the damned devil.

[tammywammy]

63. I love that red suit she's wearing

:)

[ronnykmarshall]

66. That's my girl!!

It was SO exciting!!

Seeing her was so fantastic.

I was less than 10 feet away from her. I stood there and said to my self "Self, Hillary Clinton is right there in from of you. She just looked at you and smiled".

When she left the stage, me and this guy next too me stuck our hands out. The SS was "Please don't do that". But Hillary touched my hand for a brief moment. As Roseanne Rosanna Danna would say .... "I thought I wuz gonna die!"

[tammywammy]

67. She always looks classy

And she's got a very flattering hair cut lately. That red suit is just lovely. It makes me wish I could wear red, but being a red head, alas, it's not in the cards.

[ronnykmarshall]

79. You go RED!!!

Shit! Lucy worked them colors and you can too!

[Iktomiwicasa]

91. Funny....

I've never considered her to be particularly attractive.

[Hoof Hearted]

76. Time to go invest in some high-wattage eco bulbs for me then.

Cheaper than surgery, to be sure.

My husband will think I look fabulous.

[MaineDem]

3. Makeup

I say, good for her. In person she has the wrinkles of the above average 60 year old woman. Not bad though.

[Madam Mossfern]

22. Excuuuuuuuuuuuse me?

I'm almost 60 and I don't have wrinkles. My neck is starting to show wear, but still no crow's feet. Not all 60 year old women have wrinkles. That being said I find it quite disturbing that Hillary's looks get picked apart. What people find distinguished in men, they find aging in women. I usually don't play the sexist card, but that's just what it is. I don't think that Obama is a fashion plate, but I support him anyway.

This Obama supporter will come to Hillary's defense any time a mean spirited barb about her appearance is cast. It's just a pet peeve I have.

[demigoddess]

42. as someone Hillary's age I can say you can look better at night than in the morning

and it really matters what kind of moisturizer you used and how recently. and makeup helps.

[JerseygirlCT]

61. I'm with you on all counts

And personally, I think finding out rather young that sun and I don't mix well has probably saved me from a fair amount of wrinkles.

But wrinkles really shouldn't be the issue when we're talking about electing a president.

Like you, though an Obama supporter, the whole idea of people picking apart Hillary's appearance just rankles.

[Orsino]

92. Clinton is very nearly a senior citizen.

We need neither emphasize her wrinkles nor pretend they aren't there. She's playing up her experience, she oughta wear 'em with pride. Or cover 'em with as much make-up as she likes.

[JerseygirlCT]

93. LOL, yup

It's just that the attention paid to these matters is always disproportionate with women, be they in politics or show biz. I haven't heard anyone remarking on Paul Newman's crow's feet, you know? Or Bill Clinton's for that matter.

It's a weird societal thing that women are still, deep down, expected to be young and attractive, regardless of their profession or aspirations.

[Orsino]

113. And it may seem unfair that Obama doesn't get this scrutiny...

...but he is much younger. McCain, at least, doesn't seem to be escaping the jokes about his age.

[MaineDem]

100. I'm later 50s myself.

I meant the smile lines around the eyes. She actually has a lot of those.

She has as many lines as the average 60 year old. It doesn't mean the average 60 year old woman is all wrinkly. Sorry if it came out wrong.

[nomorewhopper]

4. botox, plastic surgury, tons of makeup for tv

bleached hair

btw all of them use tons of makeup for tv, even the men. i once saw john kerry live before a tv appearance and it was pretty scary what they have to do to your face to make you look normal on camera

[question everything]

18. And you "know" that she had botox and plastic surgery, how? (nt)

[nomorewhopper]

30. zero wrinkles on the forehead = botox (look at the pics)

i know this is a terrible pic of hillary but still you'll notice her expressive face and notice NO wrinkles on her forehead. usually when you make a face like that you will see the deep lines across your forehead. the second pic shows her in 2006 and her last week. she is sixty years old. sixty year old women have wrinkles and lines in their skin. hillary uses botox and likely had a face lift.

[Beaverhausen]

see post #14- it is all about the lighting

[nomorewhopper]

44. its botox

im not talking abotu the small wrinkles

im talking about the huge, deep lines we all have on our foreheads

raise your eyebrows to make a "surprise" face. you get large lines on your forehead. if you don't have those lines, you use botox. hillary doesn' thave those lines.

[Beaverhausen]

46. the make-up artist who did her face says no botox

I trust her judgement more than yours. Did you even read the post or the linked article?

[jenmito]

48. Collagen. n/t

[nomorewhopper]

51. the makeup artist on the clinton payroll has 0 credibility. i know what i see. its botox

its no surprise that politicians use botox. its a very quick procedure that just requires the injection of a small amount of liquid under the skin on the forehead. takes like 2 minutes.

[jenmito]

59. But it must also be collagen which fills out the face. Botox paralyzes the muscles

and collagen fills out the face where it's sagging.

[nomorewhopper]

72. yup although i don' tknow as much about collagen

[jenmito]

74. I think it's like this stuff that's always on commercials, "juvederm"...

http://www.juvedermusa.com/what_is_juvederm/what_is.aspx

[Beaverhausen]

65. ON the Clinton payroll? Again, read the article. She is on the CNN payroll

but why do I bother, you are convinced that it is some sort of surgery when you don't know what the fuck you are talking about.

[Maine-ah]

73. first of all, I'm an Obama supporter

wanted to get that out of the way b/f I ask you this question.


What qualifications (medically or professionally) do you have that can assure us that you know for sure that HRC has had "some work" done?

[NashVegas]

70. If She Was Going to Botox Her Forehead, Why Not the Rest of Her Face?

..

[Auntie Bush]

75. Speak for yourself!

I'm older than Hillary and I don't have wrinkles on my forehead or crows feet and I don't use botox and didn't have a face lift. Heredity helps.
My mother died at 95 and she was still beautiful and had very few wrinkles. I hope I end up taking after her...but we'll see.

Maybe that picture of Hillary above was photo shopped. Maybe...:shrug:

[nomorewhopper]

78. im not talking about wrinkly skin, i'm talking about...

when you raise your eyebrows to make a "i'm surprised" face, and you'll notice that your forehead forms lines. when you have botox, you don't get these lines, resulting in a very smooth look. when hillary raises her eyebrows to make the "i'm surprised" or "i'm so happy" face, there's no lines. see the pic below for the kind of lines i'm talking about.

john kerry did this as well during the 2004 campaign. he has also had plastic surgery, for a "deviated septum" which is code for a face lift/jaw

[Auntie Bush]

83. I know what kind of lines your talking about.

I don't have a single one...so I should know. Some people don't. Also, some young people have a lot of lines across their forehead. The woman in the picture doesn't look so old to me and she doesn't have any crows feet. People age differently and you can't pigeon hole anyone. That's all I'm saying. My age shows more around the mouth or lower face than the upper face (eyes and forehead).

[nomorewhopper]

84. Before/After Pics of Hillary (no lines on head)

you are very lucky indeed to not have developed wrinkles. for most people, they are a simple fact of life. check the pics below.

one was "normal" as we see the botox starting to wear off in the forehead. one with a recently applied round of botox. the skin is so tight despite her very pronounced facial expression, leading us to believe that the muscles in the forehead are under the affects of botox.

they all do it. even the men. it's not a big deal and i know that some will say, shame on you for posting this unflattering picture of hillary but its definitely closer to the real deal than the photoshopped, airbrushed, botoxed, nonsense we get from most of the politicians.

http://www.news.com.au/common/imagedata/0,,5806861,00.jpg

[RiverStone]

90. Wow, your top pic of Hillary looks like she is 10 years older...

Than she has been looking every time I see her on the tube.

BTW, is it ageism or just looks that we are talking about here --- neither should factor in and ultimately - we ALL are getting or will get wrinkles - so no big deal! I do not think McCain is a war mongering bastard because he is 71 - I would think it no matter what age he was.

But I admit, I was surprised by that top picture of Hillary. Is it the lighting or what....?

[JerseygirlCT]

98. I know people who've had lines on their forehead since their teens.

Nowhere else, but that's just the way their bones are structured. Mine also doesn't wrinkle up much when I lift my brows. It's just a lot about the way you're made.

[mtnester]

114. Mine does not, nor never has, done that

neither did my mother's

I am almost 50...and I call BS on your supposed expertise.

Poof.

[question everything]

80. Do you really think that had she had any treatment this would be kept a secret?

Her life, and Bill's are an open book. Botox or surgery would by now be open knowledge.

Plus, it is my understanding that Botox needs to be done every several weeks, or so. With her busy schedule for the past year, do you really think she could have hidden these?

[question everything]

82. Plenty of lines here, from a debate last October

Or, are you claiming she had Botox yesterday?

[greguganus]

103. Damn that was scary!! n/t

[grantcart]

112. I know there should be a warning for that lol

[formernaderite]

109. my wife says there's temporary stuff

you can use too. Lasts a couple of hours. Cause I've seen a couple of pics of Hillary where she's very wrinkled. so it prob depends on the time of day. I don't see the big deal with the wrinkles anyway, she's supposed to look mature and WISE!

[Hieronymus]

41. And you know she hasnt' used Botox or maybe surgery?

[question everything]

86. You may want to take a course in logic in your next semester

it will help you in getting and keeping a job... unless Daddy already has a corner office for you..

[ronnykmarshall]

53. Typical asshole.

[nomorewhopper]

57. thanks

you know its true

[question everything]

87. Moving away from the mirror may do you good, you know

[Lone_Star_Dem]

28. None of that would wear off over night, however

It was mostly from the lighting.

It's amazing the difference that good or bad lighting can do for appearances on camera.

[GodlessBiker]

5. Spackle.

[polpilot]

33. sheetrock mud?

[WinkyDink]

40. Heh. I use Laura Geller's "Spackle". It's awesome stuff!

I'm 58.

http://laurageller.com/home.cfm/pid/zoom/thsId/60/item/Spackle%20Under%20Makeup%20Primer%202oz.html

[GoldieAZ49]

77. Thank you!

It reminds me of cheech n chong "hicky off pimple pads" :rofl:

I could use this spackle!

[jillan]

6. I used to wonder the same thing about Kerry.

[jenmito]

49. Collagen. With Kerry, too.

[kimmerspixelated]

7. Oh! Oh!.. Pick me, Pick me, I know!!!!

Special filters on the camera!!

[ronnykmarshall]

54. Then explain MY picture ...

[TomInTib]

8. I don't know, but I will tell you this...

I spent a couple of hours in the same house with her a while back, and I was astonished by how pretty she is in person.

And she is not nearly as "hippy" as she she appears on teevee.

[JDPriestly]

9. She may be using make up that reflects light in a way that minimizes wrinkles.

Wrinkles are visible because of the shadows that the depressions of the skin cause. Some make-ups cover that up. They contain powders or something that reflects the light so that you don't see the shadows. I don't know -- it's just a suggestion.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. Maybe All The Bullshit You Keep Throwing At Her Softens Her Skin Or Somethin.

I dunno. :shrug:

[Bucky]

38. You need to be on TV!

You're hittin' em out of the ballpark tonight, Opy!

Please, never grow up!

[calico1]

11. I am almost 50 (female).

I have good genes and if I get a good night's sleep my skin looks smooth. If I don't my eyes look baggy. My feeling is she was rested plus they use different makeup for TV which is heavier than what is normally used.

[JerseygirlCT]

94. Yes, absolutely

I'm around your age, and my skin is aging fairly well so far. But a bad night's sleep sure has bigger repercussions now than when I was in my 20s!

And make-up can do amazing things, especially stage make-up or for television, if artfully applied.

[Captain Hilts]

12. Not been an excessively skinny social x-ray is the key. Baby got back. But...

she does seem thinner.

[JerseygirlCT]

97. That's true

I remember reading an interview with Catherine Deneuve (sp?) and she said she made a decision to allow herself to gain 15-20 lbs as she aged, to keep her face looking better. Even with great bones, the really skinny look is rarely kind to your face -- heck, look at some of the Kennedy women now -- amazing bone structure there, but their very thin build isn't so flattering anymore.

Or maybe I just like to think that a few additional lbs is ok, lol!

[Captain Hilts]

99. Eunice K has Addison's disease, so she gets a pass, but look at Katharine Hepburn...

She looks older in Long Day's Journey Into Night than in Guess Who's Coming to Dinner five years later because after five years retirement she'd put on a couple of pounds.

[JerseygirlCT]

102. Yes, true

I was thinking more of Maria, actually. I was sort of shocked recently to see some live candid shots of her - maybe an the Obama event? - and she didn't look good at all. I wanted to feed her a bit.

Or heck, Mick Jagger. Someone needs to hand that man a cheeseburger and a milkshake!

[Captain Hilts]

106. Aint' that the truth on Maria and Mick. nt

[ChairmanAgnostic]

13. plaster of paris, a trowel, or the fave of actors and actresses

and this is NOT a joke,

Preparation H.

[truedelphi]

26. I have heard that about Prep H

Smooths out all the surface wrinkles

[ChairmanAgnostic]

52. made the mistake of dating a model from a model's family once.

extraordinarily pretty on the outside, the vacuum of space was jealous about how perfection was reached on the inside.
Her mom, a prof. runway model, covergirl, and mag model for decades, came out looking like her face had suffered the ravages of lunar landings, A-bomb tests, and decades of dessication in the deepest part of the Sahara during the dry season. She quickly ran back to her lab, while my date entertained. as it were.

When mom returned to the public eye (meaning me) not a wrinkly could be found, the make up was so perfect you had this sudden urge to smear the tiniest bit of it, and frankly, I almost did not recognize her.

After dinner, and the better part of the second bottle of a fine merlot later, she confessed mom's liberal use of PrepH.

[mythyc]

105. That was in the "Living in Oblivion" movie

with Steve Buscemi. brilliant flick....

[silverweb]

81. Apparently only the Canadian formulation now, though.

According to _this article_, the FDA demanded a reformulation of the U.S. version which removed the wrinkle-suppressing ingredients.

I don't know how true all this is, but it's an interesting read anyway.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

85. proof positive that today's FDA are assholes

hemorrhoidal ones, no less

[truedelphi]

89. Theya re a weird lot, aren't they? n/t

[Beaverhausen]

14. good lighting - read the linked article

http://www.latimes.com/features/lifestyle/la-ig-makeup20jan20,1,4749910.story

article linked above profiles the make-up artist who has done each candidate- kinda interesting. Below is a snippet where she talks about one of Clinton's earlier debate appearances:

But it was Clinton's dewy, youthful, wrinkle-free face that really caught people's attention. "I must have gotten a thousand e-mails about that afterward," Soterion says. "Everyone wanted to know how I did it, what products I used. Things were crazy." (For the record, Soterion says she has never seen evidence that Clinton has had Botox, and her flawless face had more to do with the light-reflective powder that's her stock in trade, along with the bright lights of the venue.)

Soterion says lighting is so crucial that she makes a point of attending technical rehearsals. "If it's a small theater where they can't bring the lights back and down, it'll cause shadows. And the best makeup application in the world can't fight shadows; dark areas sink in, the lines look deeper and everything looks more pronounced."

[JimGinPA]

29. Thanks For That Info...

My wife hardly ever uses makeup and I really was curious. I didn't think it was Botox or anything like that because there was a such dramatic difference in just a few hours.

[LadyVT]

15. All you women will eventually look like her, if you are lucky!

[question everything]

16. Would you pose the same question if she were a man?

This is the problem that I will have with voting for Obama in November.

The vicious attacks on Clinton that have nothing to do with the issues: her face, her hair, her breasts, her thight..

[calico1]

24. And don't forget...

Her fat ankles. You are right. If this were a man no one would be posing these questions.

[Madam Mossfern]

27. Thank you!

:toast:

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. JAYS'US have you not heard about the death of the police women that was escorting her car?

[GodlessBiker]

25. I heard about it, but it was a police man.

[blm]

20. The 'star' lens. When coupled with the right makeup it can take 10-20 years off anyone.

Many older celebrities won't appear on a program or interview without one.

Look at the tape from 60 minutes a couple weeks ago - one with Obama and then Couric's interview with Hillary - the difference in lens and lighting was painfully obvious.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. There was a time

when this kind of sexist bullshit wasn't allowed here.

[terrya]

31. You've got to be kidding.

Never mind the not so subtle bitchiness of your post...is this the norm for women politicians? Gossiping about their "smooth faces" and what brand of makeup they use?

[rug]

32. Because clearly she is unaware of your existence.

[Reterr]

50. LOL

I actually did laugh out loud at this one :thumbsup:.

[Little Star]

35. Both her and Obama wear make-up for the cameras. Ya think

maybe he is some kind of sissy?:sarcasm:

[DemCam]

36. Because we're used to media photos that show her looking like crap...

In person she is absolutely beautiful...and when I saw her she had been to
four agonizing events in three cities.

Lighting does help, of course...but nothing helps some of us. Actually, it's her soul
shining through...what a woman.

[okasha]

64. She looked gorgeous yesterday

outdoors in natural lighting.

For the camera, bright frontal lighting makes the years go away. Sidelighting shows every day of your life if your skin texture isn't absolutely perfect.

[JoFerret]

37. Why is Barak's hair not straight?

(Quit with the appearance crap)

[Hieronymus]

39. She spends $thousands on a good makeup artist and a hairdresser ..

Don't rule out Botox.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

43. I'll Bet A Similar Investment Would Help You Or Maybe Not

~

[ronnykmarshall]

55. They can do wonders on horse's asses!

[OnionPatch]

45. It's probably the lighting.

Take it from a "mature" woman....overhead lighting is your enemy.

[BlackVelvet04]

58. Makeup and sleep.....

sickness can make one look like shit as well. when I had my back surgery I looked 10 years older at least for about 3 months.

[JerseygirlCT]

60. Make-up and lighting will make a big difference

I've noticed she seems to wear a great deal of make-up - the trick with it is if not done just right, it ends up looking like paint and making a person look much older.

Sort of a shame that a woman politician needs to be so concerned about looking older.

[HughMoran]

62. Shocks me too because she looks her age in person

When I met her in person at the polling station in NH, she looked as one might expect for someone her age. Then I saw her on TV and wondered the same thing - "how do they do that?"

[demo dutch]

69. Why are women are always scrutinized over their appearance! I can't stand this kind of nonsense!

She has no choice but to try to look younger or better or whatever because the sad fact is women are judged primarily on their looks

[JI7]

71. i think she naturally has better skin than most people her age

she is usually glowing even when you see the wrinkles.

for tv they put on a little makeup to cover them up.

[canadian_is_cold]

88. Water, she drinks lots of it . Hot peppers, and clean living ;)

[LTR]

95. She's a cyborg

:hide:

[Thepricebreaker]

108. ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Occam Bandage]

96. Botox, makeup, possibly collagen. All politicians have to look impeccable.

[Beacool]

101. Hillary is a very good looking woman.

That much talked about photo on post #84 is not what Hillary looks like in person. As someone who actively volunteered in her campaign, I have seen her up close in more than one opportunity. I saw her last at the Hallmark town hall meeting on Feb. 4th, and was sitting on the second row. Afterward, she placed her arm over my shoulder as we briefly spoke and Huma took our picture. That's about as close as a person can come to another.

Up close Hillary has some wrinkles that are normal to a woman of her age who has not had plastic surgery, but her skin is otherwise smooth and healthy. She has big, piercing blue eyes with long eyelashes that hardly ever show to their full advantage in photos. She also have a wicked sense of humor and a megawatt smile.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

104. Obviously she is a witch

I can't believe this thread is still kicking.

[Thepricebreaker]

107. OMG id never post this, and I post some mean stuff! LOL

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

[ErnestoG]

110. It's been sounded down by the abrasive surface of the GOP ass.

[grantcart]

111. I admit that she looks great

[JustABozoOnThisBus]

115. There's a portrait of Hillary somewhere

and it is growing wrinkled, gray, with teeth falling out, and gnarled joints.

While she radiates.

:rofl:

[displacedtexan]

116. HD makeup is different from regular TV makeup.

My daughter is a trained HD makeup artist, who spent 4 years in Hollywood
and now does news anchor makeup for NBC.

The HD process includes completely filling in the pores and creating a flawlessly
smooth base before applying color and shading.

That's why you've noticed a difference.

You have a really good eye!