Hillary people.... seat the FL delegates!!!!!......

[Little Star]

Seat Florida Delegates at the Democratic Convention!

~snip~
Passage of Florida legislative bill HB 537 has caused 2.6 Million voters to become disenfranchised. Democrats made up the bulk of those, with 1.7 million voters. This may have been a manipulation of the legislative process to intentionally influence the outcome of a presidential race. Unless the Republican National Committee and the Democratic National Committees policies are changed, this could happen to you some day. The contents of this website will discuss this bill, what happened; and what you can do to try to reverse this situation and prevent it from recurring. Please help us reinstate the voting rights of Florida Democrats. How you can help:

Read our --> Position Summary Section and other details on this website
Visit our --> What To Do Page and follow the suggestions there.
Add your own comments to our --> Sample Letter & mail it to the DNC.
Please keep these facts in mind as you read the contents of this website:

The Florida Democratic primary election ballot had all democratic candidates listed.
Florida Dems have been disenfranchised, through no fault of their own
HB537 was written by a Florida Republican to change Florida's primary date.
A conflict between a state's legislative rights and DNC & RNC rules caused this.
The Florida Democratic Party did NOT change this date.
The Florida legislature has an overwhelming Republican majority.
The state of Florida has a Republican Governor.
The citizens of the state of Florida did NOT vote on this date change.
HB537 was passed in May 2007 & legislatively changed the Florida primary date.
This date was, and still is, unalterable by the Florida Democrats.~snip~
http://florida-delegates.com/
E-mail the DNC, sample letter provided as well as email addy and phone #.
Pass it along and lets help Hillary, help the voters of FL. Next it's on to MI!!!!!!!

[cali]

1. Not going to happen until

things sugar off. Dean won't budge until that happens or until June if it's all tied up.

[RBInMaine]

51. Florida broke the rules, and there was no campaign.

It's not the rank-and-file's fault, but Florida (and MI) tried to push up in the schedule and were rightly sanctioned. DNC rules are DNC rules. That's the way it goes. There was no real campaign in Florida (although I do commend Florida Dems for coming out anyway in such large numbers). But just as Obama says, even a six-year-old could tell you that to seat those delegates, which favors Hillary, would be fundamentally unfair, and especially in MI where Hillary (hmmmm...) is the only one who didn't remove her name from that ballot. If anyone is seated out of Florida (or MI), it will be some other accommodation such as allowing them to send participating delegates but it will have to be 50-50, or maybe they'll try to hold some kind of re-vote. But if you want to be pissed, be pissed at the Florida and MI officials who chose to break the DNC rules.

[stahbrett]

2. More voters voted in the Republican primary, because it actually counted!

Same for Michigan... bucking national trends that have seen the Democratic turnouts dwarf their Republican counterparts, Michigan and Florida's voters flocked to the Republican primaries in greater numbers.

[mckeown1128]

3. Ok I am sold... FL should hold a primary and have their delegates

seated. They still have plenty of time.

[liberalnurse]

11. Who's paying for it; , your re-vote?

9 million dollar donations? That's the cost quoted....probably higher, so it will never happen nor would a caucus. The vote occurred and will stand.

[John Q. Citizen]

17. Why Hill should pay for it, of course. She made a promise to the voters of Florida, all of them

including those who didn't vote in the straw poll because they knew it didn't count for anything.

She's got the money. Let her put her money where her mouth is.

[liberalnurse]

20. Votes have already been cast.

Go ahead, swallow your pride...

[John Q. Citizen]

26. Many votes haven't been cast, yet. Kucincih won straw polls all over. Perhaps

he should assert his right to seat delegates from those?

If Hill can't follow the rules then what good is she?

[BringBigDogBack]

37. I hear crickets

[MonkeyFunk]

65. Florida wasn't a straw poll

it was a real election - they amended their constitution via that election - it was real.

[John Q. Citizen]

73. The voters knew no delegates were to be awarded by the Democrats, so yeah it was a straw poll

as far as the Democratic primary went.

If voters went to the polls with the expectation that their votes would determine delegates from FL to the Dem convention, then that would be a different story.

But that's not what happened.

Everyone knew well ahead of time that no Dem delegates would be awarded, no matter what the results.

And they won't be, thankfully.

In about 10 days it's all going to be over and done. At that point, Hillary and her supporters are going to have to face reality, painful as it may be.

[MonkeyFunk]

74. How different do you think the results would be?

1.7 million votes cast is a pretty good representative sample.

[MonkeyFunk]

64. No

She only promised not to campaign there. She kept that promise.

[mckeown1128]

23. The FL democratic party should pay for it's own election.

If they want a vote in the nominee for the party they must follow the rules. They should pay for their own primary. Louisiana paid for it's own primary. Georgia paid for it's own primary. California paid for it's own primary. Why shouldn't FL pay for it's own primary?

[BringBigDogBack]

38. bingo

[liberalnurse]

71. They do not have 9 million dollars to pay for it.

The state will not assist for something they already paid, provided and completed. So, quit being silly. If your not serious, then add a comment to that affect. Your sitting with the grown-ups now.

[Little Star]

28. The friggin DNC who screwed this thing up so bad. They

made the Republicans look, well, conservative in their mild handling of the same situation.

[Hippo_Tron]

56. I think the DNC has offered to pay for it

[demo dutch]

41. WE HAD A PRIMARY in Jan. DNC shrewed it up. Repugs managed to play fair with their voters

[mckeown1128]

46. Lat time I checked theFL DEM party backed it fully.

And you may of had a primary... but it wasn't a primary for delegates to send to the DNC... In order to have one of those you would have to hold a DNC approved primary after[/b} or on 2/5. I don't know what you held in January...but it wasn't a Democratic primary for president.

[demo dutch]

47. Shrew the Fl dem party, they're a bunch of losers. I voted & I should be counted, It

should be about the voters period, not some stupid party rules! It's just so typical that the DNC didn't have the brains and the foresight to settle this up front, I have to give that one to the GOP. If they choose to ignore my vote I'm pretty sure I'm done with he DNC and will switch to Independent, along with a large amount of my friends.

[mckeown1128]

49. That fact that you voted doesn't make the election legitimate.

I could go vote for president by filling out a lotto ticket at the gas station... that doesn't mean it should be counted. No matter how frustrating it is that you already went and voted... it didn't count. Everyone in FL and MI understood that their were NO delegates at stake. No one knows how that effected the vote totals. The point here is that the voters were told one thing... then they voted... then they are being told "suprise...It counted". That is NOT an open and fair election. That would be like the christian coalition getting a proposition to "symbolical condemn gay civil unions" then after the "symbolic vote" they go "ohh too bad... it actually counted." That is essentially what happened in FL and MI. Not even to mention that the candidates had no opportunity to GOTV and campaign.(and in MI some weren't even on the ballot)

I know you are upset that your vote was for not. But, those of you who voted for the heck of it do NOT get to decide for the rest of the voters in FL and MI.

[JackORoses]

48. no, your elected officials screwed it up

They just couldn't wait a week like all the other states.

[liberalnurse]

4. It will happen..........

Voters will not be disenfranchised. You the Florida voter had no control over the republican legislators. Your votes all will count. Massive support has been pouring into the DNC!

Obama, he spent millions on TV adds and surrogate campaigners in Florida. Don't let him seal your votes! Just because his carcass was not crossing the border didn't mean he didn't have impact! He just lost. Clinton did not campaign and won!

We will fight for you! We understand.

[mckeown1128]

5. National TV adds. National TV adds. National TV ads.

Keep telling yourself that..in case you forget. Hillary won nothing. The vote didn't count for anything. The primary was not in the required time frame. The results are suspect because the voters were told that the election was symbolic and not an election for delegates. FL have a right to know what they are voting for BEFORE they vote. They shouldn't have to find out after an election that low and behold the election does count. THAT... is voter disenfranchisment.

[liberalnurse]

6. So what, national TV ads....that's no excuse.

it happened, he knew well ahead of time....Obama was campaigning, end of handshake deal! Oh, the votes will count! I spoke to one who knows at the DNC.

[mckeown1128]

7. You can't play gotcha with peoples votes.

You ignored my points. The election results are suspect. Free elections are dependent on people knowing AHEAD of time what they are voting on. The FL votes would have counted had they followed the DNC rules.

By the way she had unions campaigning on the ground for her. She also held at least two non-fundraising campaign rally's.

National ads are different than a targeted campaign effort in FL.

[liberalnurse]

8. Realize this my friend....

The votes of Florida and Michigan are going to count, each and every vote. Hillary will take credit as it has been Team Hillary who fight for the American vote.

Do say what you will.........it will happen, your points are mute.

It will happen, especially Florida! I heard it myself.

[mckeown1128]

24. Screw fair elections let's just give FL and MI...

delegates to Hillary. Who cares what the people of FL and MI want. Ohh... and it was team Hillary that was saying that MI and FL shouldn't count because their primary's were against the rules. Got that! Hillary said the vote didn't count.. before the primaries. HILLARY said FL and MI don't count. FL and MI will count when they have open and FAIR elections. When the people vote KNOWING what they are voting for. I understand you don't care who the people of MI and FL want as president. I understand you want to take suspect results just to help your candidate steal the election... but DON'T give me this...FAUX OUTRAGE, as though you really care what the voters of FL and MI want. They deserve the right to a proper election.

[Binka]

61. Points Are Not Mute. They Are Moot..

Christ! Go back to school. I am sick of this illiterate garbage.

[MonkeyFunk]

67. They had record turnout - more than twice the

last primary election.

The turnout was higher than that in most other states that have had contests. It was legitimate.

There's no reason to believe that 1.7 million votes isn't representative of the voters' will.

[liberalnurse]

72. Let's look at the caucus style.

That is a system that disenfranchises the will of the people. Elderly or disabled can't vote, if your at work, can't vote. Caucus's should be retired.

[anigbrowl]

9. Florida's votes only gives a net gain of 35 delegates for Hillary

210 votesin Florida

Clinton: 50% - 105
Obama: 33% - 70

105 - 70 = 35.

Big whoop.

[liberalnurse]

12. And just how many super-delegates?

Hillary will get the votes counted and credit for that as well. Super delegates go to Hillary.

[lapfog_1]

62. You realize that the Super delegates are not affected one way or the

other by the vote in their states. Right?

They can vote for whoever they want. Always.

The only "counts" on the Super delegates right now are preference counts (the super delegate in question has stated a preference or endorsement)... but come ballot time, they can do whatever they want.

It wouldn't matter if Hillary won 100% of the vote (or Obama)... the super delegates can select whoever they think is best.

The speculation is that super delegates (as a group) are loath to vote for a candidate who does not also have the majority of pledged delegates. Obama is trying to get a promise of that. Maybe he will, maybe he won't.

Should they vote for the candidate with fewer pledged delegates... and cause that candidate to win the nomination because of their vote... some very bad things will happen to the Democratic party in the fall. Very bad.

[Obamanaut]

10. I, the Florida voter, had no control over democratic legislators

either. In the Fla house and senate there were scant few 'nay' votes on this bill www.myflorida.com fewer than ten for both houses.

If in fact we in Florida are angry/upset/aggravated/whatever about this, then we should not select any of the incumbents who are running for reelection. Two years from now, oust a few more whose terms are running out, then finish it the next time.

[John Q. Citizen]

14. John Edwards, Dennis Kucinich, all the other candidates didn't get to campaign. This is not

a free and fair election.

If those folks are seated in a manner that favors one of the remaining candidates over another, I will join tens of thousands at the convention in the streets of Denver to protest this abortion of the democratic process.

If Hill can't win it through fair eletorial process, I sure as hell am not going to let her steal it.

But i'm not too worried at this time. Fortunatly the DNC and the rest of the party aren't going to let Hill steal it either.

[liberalnurse]

21. Oh well.

John Edwards will be with Hillary on this...Kucinich, he's in deep shit to even win his own seat here in Ohio. He needs Hillary too just to keep it.

Kucinich will fall in line and not let the votes be tossed.

[mckeown1128]

27. I disagree with you.

Edwards would not help Hillary disenfranchise the FL voters. Floridans deserve to be represented by delegates who are chosen in an open and honest election. How dare Hillary try to claim those delegates elected from a fraud primary. Floridians have a right to know BEFORE they go into the both what they are voting for.

[John Q. Citizen]

31. Yeah, sure, Hill is inevitable. NOT!

[demo dutch]

42. Fuck the DNC, I voted & I WANT TO BE COUNTED!

[mckeown1128]

50. Well, many didn't because they were told that there would be..

not delegates awarded. They HAVE the right to be counted too. Just because you voted in a symbolic primary doesn't mean your vote get's delegate representation.

[John Q. Citizen]

54. I don't blame you for wanting, but since it wasn't a fair election I'm afraid your

vote for Hill is null and void.

If I were you, I'd complain to your state party leaders for their hubris and anti-social behavior. They forgot what they learned in kindergarten, appaerntly, if they even learned it then.

[lapfog_1]

66. You can always MOVE

to a state yet to vote... where the residency requirements are lax.

Otherwise, vote out your idiot state legislature.

The DNC made the rules, and even told the states what would happen if the rules were violated, and ALL of the candidates (Hillary included) signed on the rules (and that would include the punishment).

Game over.

You can't be changing the rules after the fact because you like the outcome of your straw poll.

[Little Star]

30. Right On!!!!

[stop the bleeding]

36. We'll lose the GE if the DNC Flip-Flops n/t

[BringBigDogBack]

40. Har

:rofl:

[Political Heretic]

57. According to MadFlordian, it was a Democratic who introduced the legislation

and she backed that claim up with sources.

So your statement should read, "you, the Florida voter had no control over the Democratic legislator who introduced the measure"

(FWIW, FL and MI need to get delegates counted in some way. The best way would be a revote. Short of that, they can split delegates. Something that comes closest to some nod in the direction of fairness for both candidates.)

[alphafemale]

13. Once Obama wins Texas it won't matter anyhow.

The secret is...

Win so big they CAN'T win.

Even if they DO cheat!

[still_one]

15. Just rerun the primary. The DNC sets this date, NOT the rnc, that is bogus claim

push this and watch the party blow up, rerun the primary in BOTH FL and MI, and everything will be fine

and the bullshit that the MI and the FL people saying it will be too expense is crap. Look how much money we are spending in Iraq

Either rerun those primaries, or don't seat the delegates. If the delegates are seated without a redo, and Hillary wins the nomination this way, SHE WILL LOSE THE general election. Go ahead MI and FL, push it, and see what happens

As Michael Moore said, this isn't the Soviet Union, just rerun the elections

[Orangepeel]

16. once somebody puts the blame solely on the R leg. like it absolves the F D party, I stop listening

because I had just moved from Florida where I was active in the party, and I was paying attention. The Florida Democratic party is as much to blame for the debacle.

It is true that the voters of Florida aren't to blame, but the Florida State Democratic Party certainly is. It shares blame for the original moving of the data and deserves much blame for denying, obfuscating and pretending it isn't at fault ever since.

[demo dutch]

44. I don't care about the DNC nor the FL Dem Party, I Voted & I want to be counted!

It's supposed to be about voters, shrew the rest!

[lapfog_1]

68. So what's wrong with a do over? - n/t

[fadedrose]

18. I already emailed the DNC NOT to accept MI's delegates (nt)

And I live and voted in MI. It doesn't bother me in the least that it was all for nothing. At least we're being punished according to the rules that our moronic elected officials chose to disgard.

It would bother me more to see someone get votes they did not deserve.

[GarbagemanLB]

19. Fine. Seat them 50/50.

[liberalnurse]

22. So, your pulling that out of someones

anal meatus?:wow:

[Little Star]

32. Can I have some of what you are smoking? Obama was rejected.

[Laurab]

55. The votes didn't count - I wouldn't have voted

if I knew my vote wasn't going to count. I would have stayed home - I don't understand why anyone voted. If the vote was going to count, I think the numbers would have been very different. It's odd that HRC's supporters don't think the rules should count - if the numbers were better for Obama, would you be demanding the delegates be seated?

[lapfog_1]

69. Or you can say that Hillary voters voted and nobody else

did because it wasn't going to count.

Especially in the MI primary where Hillary left her name on the ballot.

Again, what's wrong with a do over that counts?

Are you afraid that the results will change?

It's not really about counting YOUR vote, it's about NOT COUNTING the rest, isn't it.

[mdmc]

25. FL and MI should have waited until March - they would have had it all

all the spotlight. All the glory.

Too bad they had to go first.

[quantass]

29. If Hilary wins the Nomination after her upset on March 4th then their is going ot be a Civil War.

[Little Star]

33. There will be war if those FL & MI delegates are not seated.

[AZBlue]

34. You're openly tying HRC supporters and flagrantly breaking the rules?

Nice way to support your candidate!

Out of pettiness and temper tantrums you want to change things half-way through the game? And this is in support of and supported by your candidate? Oh yeah, that's someone I really want for President.

[WonderGrunion]

35. I don't think it matters anymore

If Florida and Michigan are counted according to proper rules for proportionality, Hillary won't have enough delegates even with them. Face it Hillbots, she's going to lose even if she tries to steal it.

[BringBigDogBack]

43. Finally, someone gets it.

[Laurab]

39. So, it's ok for Hillary to not follow the rules?

Since she's losing, of course - I would guess you'd have a lot to say if Obama was in the position she is, and it wouldn't be "seat the delegates".

You must want to ensure that Hillary is never president, that's all I can say. If she wins the primaries fair and square, then I will vote for her. If she changes the rules after the game is half over, because she's losing, she will not get my vote. Someone who would lie and cheat their way into the presidency is not someone I want as president, I don't care if they have a "D" after their name. I would sit this one out.

Keep pushing this - there are a LOT of people who feel the same way as I do, and Hillary will both lose the election, and tear apart the democratic party. Win any way possible - that's all it's about for you - you represent your candidate perfectly.

[demo dutch]

45. Just typical that the DNC couldn't manage to settle it up front like the GOP did. A huge mistake!

[anamandujano]

59. What did the GOP do about the problem.

Are the dem primaries in Florida open or closed?

[RBInMaine]

52. Florida officials broke the rules. That's the way it goes.

It's not the rank-and-file's fault, but Florida (and MI) tried to push up in the schedule and were rightly sanctioned. DNC rules are DNC rules. That's the way it goes. There was no real campaign in Florida (although I do commend Florida Dems for coming out anyway in such large numbers). But just as Obama says, even a six-year-old could tell you that to seat those delegates, which favors Hillary, would be fundamentally unfair, and especially in MI where Hillary (hmmmm...) is the only one who didn't remove her name from that ballot. If anyone is seated out of Florida (or MI), it will be some other accommodation such as allowing them to send participating delegates but it will have to be 50-50, or maybe they'll try to hold some kind of re-vote. But if you want to be pissed, be pissed at the Florida and MI officials who chose to break the DNC rules.
RBInMaine

[AX10]

53. Obama campaigned in Florida.

Seat the delegates.

[anamandujano]

60. and ran ads. Voters said no thanks.

I'd say it's more representative of an authentic vote, with Repukes involved in their own race and not as free to crossover and meddle (as they would now if there was another primary.)

[lapfog_1]

70. Keep blaming the horrible campaign your candidate ran

on anything but her.

I'm sure those cross over republicans want SOOOO BAD to face Obama this fall that they are contributing hundreds or thousands of dollars to his campaign too. Which is why Obama is on pace to raise $50M this month. Yeah, it's those damn republicans! That's the ticket!

:sarcasm:

[blitzen]

58. Hillary is a cheater....Just one of the many reasons to reject her...

Reason #1 being that she doesn't stand a chance in Hell of winning in Nov.

Stop the whining about Florida! It's pure cheating strategery on the part of the losing Hillary campaign.

[ErnestoG]

63. To Hillary, it's all about Hillary...let the nation be damned.