Hillary's proposed policies are the most liberal of any presidential candidate in US history

[_Wayne_]

Hillary proposes the most liberal health care plan (so does Obama, they are virtually mirrors of each other, with minor differences) in US history. It will cost more than any previous proposed health care plan per year.

Hillary will eliminate Bush's tax cuts, and thereby institute the largest tax increase in US History. She will also cut taxes on the middle and lower class, just like Bill Clinton did, with tremendous success.

Hillary will increase public school funding, which will increase teacher's salaries and lower class sizes.

Hillary will appoint very liberal judges, who will uphold Roe v Wade, and ban constitutional amendments that define marriage as a man and woman, thereby legalizing gay marriage, giving benefits to couples through civil unions.

Hillary will slice the military budget, just like Bill did.

The examples continue ad infinitum. Obama is also very liberal, but nobody questions that. His supporters need to be reminded, Hillary's biggest enemies are the conservatives, the AM radio loudmouths, the racist evangelicals. THEY invented Hillary hating.

It's disgusting to see so many in the progressive community join this choir, to sing the Hillary hate, to spread the venom, and call it "support" for Obama.

[Levgreee]

1. "Hillary will slice the military budget, just like Bill did." No, she won't.

She wants to expand it some.

[pleah]

2. I agree that consevatives created the HIllary hate.

[Captain Hilts]

19. They sure eat it with a spoon here. nt

[BeatleBoot]

3. Migrant Republicans

Have moved here to DU and are fanning the Hillary Hate embers.

Guaranteed.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

8. BINGO...what the RW machine couldn't do in 16 years to the Clintons they did in this Primary

[ingac70]

4. You shoulda been her campaign manager.

Perhaps she woulda already had this wrapped up, instead of making a fool of herself getting booed at a televised Democratic debate.

[_Wayne_]

6. Those "boos" were from Obama's side; and most people agree Hillary WON last night

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

7. Those boos were from democrats.

Who, thanks to Clinton, are now on Obama's side.

[BeatleBoot]

21. No, those boos were from Obama supporters

And I don't know who is on his side anymore.

[Exilednight]

23. I've been a Democrat for 20 years and I'm also an Obama supporter, and I booed Hillary

[BeatleBoot]

30. I've been a Democrat all of my life and I didn't boo her.

[ingac70]

The people meter tanked to zero...

I've never seen it go that low before.

Plus, Hillary gets jerks to speak before she goes on at rallies that end up getting booed for silly attacks. (Like that shit head Buffenbarger)

[Alexander]

11. "Most people"? Are you on her campaign staff or something?

Because every objective gauge of that debate said that she lost. Badly. Because of her stupid Xerox comment.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

15. Those weren't boos. Someone spotted Mr Burns in the crowd and

started chanting Boooerns! Boooerns!

[DemGa]

5. Reality will come back around

To consider the possibility: -- The single most qualified person in this country for President -- lost for a freaking Obama fad. What an unmitigated embarrassment to the Democrats. What a loss.

[BeatleBoot]

9. Reminds me of McGovern

[Spider Jerusalem]

14. The single most qualified person?

On what basis?

If you're just talking about experience and record, I can name a dozen people offhand who are more qualified.

[BeatleBoot]

18. John F. Kerry for Example

"Sorry I let you all down in 2004, but I gave it my best shot."

[Captain Hilts]

20. It's like being able to vote for Will Smith or Michael Jordan. What are the comparable women? None

[n2doc]

26. Compared to Al Gore?

Give me a freakin' break. I'll agree with the poster below that there are several people out there considerably more qualified by than HRC to be president. But we rarely if ever get the most qualified person. Just look at 2000 or 2004. Or for that matter 1972.

[John Q. Citizen]

10. Not True. Dennis Kucinich proposals were far more liberal. You are confusing liberal with

being left of bush.

Not many years ago Hills proposals would have been the Republican platform. - See Nixon.

[Alexander]

13. Correct. You win the thread.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

45. Yeah, But He's Like, Really Kinda Silly And Stuff.

I think the OP was talking about people who actually have any chance of getting something they want done, or were considered real presidential candidates (ya know, more than 1% or so).

[John Q. Citizen]

56. Edwards was more liberal. Either one could run a better campaign than Hill if they had that money.

[katty]

12. it's more a personality contest, I like both of them and

I do think that Hillary is and would be more progressive, however, we have been beat up by the bushco for so long 'change', whatever that will be? - seems to be the ultimate winner.

[noiretextatique]

57. about this change thing...

it is really the ultimate no-brainer, isn't it? 8 years of the worse president in history, who now has a mere 19% approval rate...a failing economy...a failed and illegal war...rape of the constitution...rw activist judges...republicans defecting from the party, etc, etc, etc. it's clear to me that people want all of that to change, and it was clear before obama.

[Spider Jerusalem]

16. The most liberal of any presidential candidate?

That's an historically ignorant statement; you've apparently never heard of Henry Wallace.

[H2O Man]

27. checkmate n/t

[_Wayne_]

31. I've heard of William Wallace

[provis99]

41. no kidding; the OP needs to look up Eugene Debs

or Al Smith, or William Jennings Bryan, or LBJ, or Nixon, or...

[ProSense]

17. Cluster bombs, Kyl Lieberman, extension of Bush tax cuts, yeah, real liberal!

:sarcasm:

[mrreowwr_kittty]

24. Well, you know, the OP is about "proposed policies" not "actual voting record" nt

[ProSense]

35. Hillary was the one who

accused Obama of being too far left.

[cbayer]

22. I liked your OP

Started off positive

Didn't attack the other candidate

Ask people to be aware of the damage they are doing

Nicely done.

But what do you get? Hillary bake.

What are they so afraid of?

[Exilednight]

25. I would say that title goes to FDR, and republicans have hated him ever since....

He went where no other President would have ever possibly gone.

[BeatleBoot]

34. And he pulled our nation out of seriously bleak times.

[hfojvt]

28. Hillary is running on a platform of fiscal responsibility

Second, to allow tax cuts which never should have been passed to expire, is not really proposing anything liberal. Calling it "the largest tax increase in history" is also not a good way to promote it.

Advertising yourself as a tax-cutter is also not very liberal. It's Reaganesque.

You also keep saying "just like Bill" without seeming to understand that Bill was not a very liberal President.

[_Wayne_]

33. Bill was as liberal as he could be with the Republican Congress

[hfojvt]

40. nice that he has that excuse, but he ran like a centrist from the start

Promising middle class tax cuts and economic growth. Not exactly like FDR, Johnson, Mondale, or Dukakis. He didn't come in with a Republican congress, and he fought with his own party about NAFTA.

[earthlover]

43. it wasn't a Republican Congress when Bill was elected....

That was one of his legacies

[sniffa]

29. This is a hilarious post

:rofl:

[Name removed]

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

48. !

:spray:

:applause: :applause: :applause:

[sniffa]

50. Wow, what a disgusting post

Do you have any idea how many DUers (not to mention the rest of the world) who have retarded family members (and I'm using your term) that you just shat on? I don't know who you are, but you should know that what you just posted was despicable.

I also alerted, but I hope I wasn't the only one.

[surfermaw]

32. What a bunch of crap, GHWB started the downsizing of our Army

Bill Clinton is a centrist, not a liberal, but what is wrong with a Liberal, nothing except the right wing conservative party with the media has tried to make Liberal a bad thing, in my mind I would say Thank God for Liberals.

[_Wayne_]

36. your post confuses me, and I read it three times

[mdmc]

37. She is for mental health parity - that is good

She supports the drug war - that is bad.

[Bucky]

47. As long as she's for mental health parity, maybe she can start by helping _Wayne_

The OP is delusional. Obama supporters don't all hate Clinton. She's really just a normal candidate who, as you point out, is either principled or a panderer on a wide number of issues and who would, overall, do a pretty decent job if inaugurated.

[_Wayne_]

54. Strawman, Bucky. I never said ALL Obama fans hate Clinton.

[Hieronymus]

38. Bill ran as a Liberal and governed as a moderate Republican.

[jackson_dem]

39. Boy are you going to be in for a shock if Obama wins...

[earthlover]

46. Yeah, what a shock...will it be the Obama who associates with radical liberal

folk from the 60s like Ayers that the Hillary folks are scaring us about, or the Obama who will be too conservative that the Hillary folks are scaring us about, or the Obama who won't make any difference that the Hillary folks are scaring us about? Sarc

[jackson_dem]

52. The Obama who will be Bill Clinton 2.0

[Bucky]

44. Attention all Obama "supporters": You do not support Obama. You hate the Clintons.

Perhaps you're unaware of this. Let me wake you up to reality. You hate Hillary. You cringe when you hear her name. You stick straight pins into a voodoo doll you made of her. You can't sit through any Rebecca De Mornay movies because of her physical resemblance to Hillary Clinton. If you were stranded on a dessert island with Clinton, you would gouge your own eyes out with cocoanut shells.

You do not support Obama. This is your own delusion--a figment invented to hide your blinding hatred of her moderately liberal policy stances. You don't even know Obama. You're probably unaware of the fact that he's a Muslim sleeper agent trained by the Weathermen.


Hey, Wayne! Did I get that about right?

:)

[_Wayne_]

55. desert, not dessert

[More Than A Feeling]

49. Don't worry, by the time this is over, the conservative media will

have expended every ounce of energy they possess in telling the whole world how liberal they both are. Rove already kicked it off with Obama in the WSJ.

[HeraldSquare212]

51. The point is, some people don't believe that she'll do what she says she'll do

or that she can make it happen.

[beachmom]

53. John Kerry was the most liberal candidate we ever had, and probably will ever have

in my lifetime. And a lot of us have a big problem with Hillary's lack of character, not that she can churn out policy papers. She also not only voted for the Iraq War, she actively supported it, never opposed it, only criticizing tactics. Then suddenly, in about, oh, January 2007, she suddenly wanted to bring the troops home. Some of us pay attention to what our senators do. They ALL make mistakes, but Hillary showed that she didn't seem to have much of a problem with Bush invading Iraq nor did she lead the effort to argue for a new Iraq policy of withdrawal of troops. That is why people are unimpressed by her position papers. Actions are INDEED louder than words.

[_Wayne_]

58. John Kerry didn't have a universal health care plan

[beachmom]

59. Where do you think Hillary got her ideas from to put together her heath care plan?

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/10/15/clinton-evokes-kerry-quotes-roosevelt/

Purposely or not, Hillary Rodham Clinton evokes memories of the 2004 presidential nominee, John Kerry, from time to time.

A centerpiece of her health care plan was allowing Americans to buy into the federal insurance program that is available for members of Congress. Mr. Kerry proposed the same thing in 2004. “If it’s good enough for members of Congress, it’s good enough for all Americans,” Mr. Kerry liked to say; Mrs. Clinton has made the same point over and over the last few weeks.

...

Clinton advisers say they were not mining the Kerry playbook for tips or rhetoric; rather, they say, Mr. Kerry had some good, mainstream Democratic ideas (like on the congressional health plan) that fit into Mrs. Clinton’s agenda.



Um, it was John Kerry's healthcare plan, and it is the basis of Edwards's, Clinton's, and Obama's plans. Kerry's plan got the ball rolling in 2004. That ground needed to be laid. Check the link, and you will see Clinton evoking Kerry quite a bit, as has Obama ("We need to set a date to withdraw from Iraq"). The reason why Obama and Hillary don't differ a lot on policy is because they both basically agree with Kerry's ideas from 2004 (and he has since come up with even more ideas on Iraq and combatting global climate change, which they also have adopted). But on the environment (which is the sleeper issue so vitally important), nobody this side of Gore is as good as Kerry. And Kerry, along with Feingold, was a pioneer in putting together the now Democratic Iraq plan -- timetable for withdrawal -- that also sparks little controversy in the Dem primaries, other than the fact that Obama's position is closer to Kerry's than Hillary is.

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

60. I know. It's too bad she cast herself as a centrist hawk

and ran a general election instead of a primary election. Bad advice.

She should have been herself instead of the usual DLC triangulation BS. She lost the nomination because of it.

She could have/should have been a Progressive, Liberal Democrat (like she really is) from the getgo.