Why I think Hilary Clinton needs to drop out sooner rather than later.

[Pale Blue Dot]

First, in the interest of full disclosure, let me tell you where I stand on the candidates: I'm not a big fan of either of them. I wanted Russ Feingold to run, then I supported Kucinich (less enthusiastically}, and then Edwards {even less enthusiastically). For the CT primary, I wanted to write in the name "Bernie Sanders" but no one at the polls could tell me how to do so. I think that there is so little difference between Obama and Clinton that the arguments and vitriol that goes on in this forum are beyond the point of parody, it's absurd in the extreme.. I considered voting third party in this election.

And then I think about the Supreme Court.

We are ONE Justice away from becoming, irreversibly, a theocracy; and that is the only thing we have left to fight for. Corporatists rule our country. The economy is an unstoppable freight train to hell. Our civil rights are gone. But we still have a chance, a tiny one, if we can get someone into office who will not nominate the next Alito to the Supreme Court. Both Hilary and Barack fit that bill.

But here's the thing: Hilary is losing. Not only is she losing, but the "pop culture" wisdom is that she has run a bad campaign and she is destined to lose. By pop culture, I am referring to late-night comedians, movie reviewers, and celebrities. She has become a go-to joke. Whether or not you agree with it, it is a fact. In the mainstream culture, Hilary Clinton has become a joke.

I am not going to say that Clinton cannot win the Democratic nomination. However, if you look at recent polls, Obama's momentum, and the "pop culture" wisdom, there is ONLY one way she can win: Barack Obama must be destroyed. Something must happen that will cause his whole campaign to quickly, and completely, come apart at the seems. My argument is, that in February 2008, this kind of complete unraveling by the Obama campaign would be as disastrous for the Democratic party as it is unlikely.

Hilary, fairly or unfairly, is done, barring a disastrous misstep by the Obama campaign. It is time for her to accept that fact. If she really cares most about the future of our country, and of the Democratic party, I believe that she will.

[HughMoran]

1. Relax

Stop overreacting - there's plenty of time for her to bow out and still save face.

[msongs]

2. hillary = joke is just your opinion. not fact at all nt

[NashVegas]

3. Well, You Know, Most of NY Are Just Stoned Hippies and Vegans

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[Pale Blue Dot]

4. My opinion?

http://kylesmithonline.com/?p=936

http://www.imdb.com/news/wenn/2008-02-22/celeb/12

Let me know if you need more.

[MonkeyFunk]

9. That's your evidence?

So if I can find similar references to Obama, you'll agree that he's a national joke, too, right?

[ExtraGriz]

5. she should stay in

and fight to the very end, let every state participate...its democracy, so lets give everyone in this country a chance to vote, and allow them to be counted.

[rodeodance]

27. yes. all of a sudden we have lots of people saying it is OK that votes won't "count" .What a

bunch of hypocrites!!

[Pale Blue Dot]

29. Please point out the section of my OP in which I said that "votes won't count".

I'll be here.

[rodeodance]

31. You want her to drop out. Upcoming states/voters will not be able to cast

a vote except for one person (viable).

So there votes won't count--don't matter--the same shit that Obamafolks have tossed at the Hillary campaign. Hypocritical.

[lligrd]

6. As An Obama Supporter, I Don't Think She Should Drop Out

Anything can still happen. I do think she should quit the negative campaigning and just be herself. Even if she doesn't win she still has time to salvage her reputation.

[Pale Blue Dot]

8. The longer she stays in,

the more she could potentially weaken Obama.

[lligrd]

11. She Doesn't Have To Play That Way

Someone should tell her that her Mother's advice to punch is not usually appropriate.

[Pale Blue Dot]

12. Yes, but (and this is my last comment) how else does she have a chance? nt

[Yael]

19. But she IS playing that way. I am in PA and as much as I would love the Iowa treatment

not at the expense of our state becoming one big shit storm.

[demo dutch]

7. You're back, Not again!

[Pale Blue Dot]

10. Can you support whatever it is you're saying?

Go ahead. I'll be waiting.

[demo dutch]

15. Same post a few days ago. Just let the process unfold, if not you'll piss

off a large amount of DEM voters. No reason for Hillary to get out yet. I'm sure she will when the time has come.

[Pale Blue Dot]

17. Please post MY same statement a few days ago.

I'll be right here, waiting.

[demo dutch]

22. Sorry can't do a search, but there was the exact same post a few days ago.

and if it wasn't by you I apologize, so calm down.

[Pale Blue Dot]

23. I'm not upset; however, I feel that your baseless accusation

was meant to obscure the point of my OP. If you have an argument against THAT, let me know, and we can talk.

[demo dutch]

25. Already did in post #15

[DemBones DemBones]

13. I'm sure Hillary appreciates your concern

and will do what she thinks is best, which I think is to keep on campaigning.

This is still a two-horse race, though some people don't like that.

[Pale Blue Dot]

16. OK, but why is that best?

Please support your statement with evidence.

[rug]

14. You won't mind if I wait until Democrats finish voting?

[Yael]

20. PA hasn't voted yet either -- and at this point, I am just looking to NOT

have my state become some unGodly circus with nothing but a shit stain left to show for it.

YMMV

[rug]

21. I'm in Pennsylvania and I want to vote.

There will be no shit stains if there are no assholes.

[Yael]

18. I remain concerned that her going as negative as she has will hurt us in the general

people are sick of swamp politics.

If this doesn't let up, apathy will set back in and all of those energized primary voters will blow November off.

[demo dutch]

24. Nah, it's the same thing on the GOP side. Most people voted and aren't that tuned in now

You'd be amazed at how few people watched the recent debate other than political junkies and the states up for voting

[rodeodance]

26. oh stop with the demise the country fear tactic. Its shameful to be putting out

such crap about a Dem. pres candidate.

[Pale Blue Dot]

28. Then refute it, please, using evidence.

I wrote a thoughtful post. The least you could do is refute it with an equally thoughtful answer.

[rodeodance]

30. you are one saying the country would fall apart--pure sepeculation. It is your

"claim" that needs evidence.--you made it not me.



Enough said

[Pale Blue Dot]

32. Please remind me where I said "the country would fall apart".

Are you AFRAID to provide evidence for your claims?

[rodeodance]

33. f she really cares most about the future of our country,

Hilary, fairly or unfairly, is done, barring a disastrous misstep by the Obama campaign. It is time for her to accept that fact. If she really cares most about the future of our country, and of the Democratic party, I believe that she will.

[AGirl]

34. Your post is a joke.

[jillan]

35. Hillary will do the right thing when the time comes.

Truth is that a candidate needs 2025 delegates to win.
Obama's not near there yet.

[Maddy McCall]

36. What an odd post. Not just because I disagree with you...

but because it's just odd that someone lets late-night comedians and a movie data base determine his political views.