Just in case you don't understand why GLBT issues are important in this campaign

[terrya]

This is why. In case you still don't get it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=221&topic_id=65660&mesg_id=65660

[Name removed]

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[cali]

2. that is such a painful and tragic and frightening story.

It perfectly illustrates the vital importance of GLBT issues in this election year. I can't tell you the rage I felt at those bastards in FL.

Thanks for posting this, terrya.

[crispini]

3. That is very, very, sad.

:(

[Cameron27]

4. Thanks terrya

it's tragic that there's so much hate and it's even worse that some people think that it's a waste of time to shine a light on it.

I alerted on the sick little person in the first post also. You have wonder who's sitting behind their computers posting this shit.

[RandomKoolzip]

5. And this is but one reason I am behind Obama but not 100% behind Obama.

I'm still shocked by the McClurkin incident. I really wish he'd take GLBT issues more seriously.

That IS a fucking heartbreaking story, Terry. :cry: I suppose the only way the rest of the country will ever accept and understand how important those rights are is if we (straight and GLBT together) keep demanding them, loudly.

[theHandpuppet]

6. Thanks for posting this, Terrya

This is a perfect example of why human rights cannot be dismissed as a matter for states to decide. Human rights are not up for a vote, people, and GLBT rights are HUMAN rights. The policy of letting each state decide who deserves equaity under the law didn't work during the days of slavery and segregation and it won't work now, either.

I'll provide just a portion of the article here:

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon08/02/022208fla.htm
(Miami, Florida) Janice Langbehn and Lisa Pond had planned to take their three children on a family cruise. The Olympia, Washington couple had been together 18 years and with their children were looking forward to the holiday.

But just as they were about to depart on the cruise from Miami, Florida. Pond, a healthy 39-year-old, suddenly collapsed. She was rushed to Jackson Memorial Hospital in Miami with Langbehn and the children following close behind.

But once Langbehn and the children arrived at the hospital the hospital refused to accept information from her about Ponds’s medical history.

Langbehn says she was informed that she was in an antigay city and state, and she could expect to receive no information or acknowledgment as family.

More details here:

http://www.theolympian.com/news/story/138169.html

and here:

http://thelpkids.com/national-media-awards/

[joeybee12]

7. Lord, I guess I missed all the naughty bits in this thread...

...must have been really bad to get removed...a lot of what I consider inexcusable still stays posted. Good thing you posted this, Terrya, let's us know what's really out there.

[hulklogan]

8. Kicked and rec'ed for the pitiful Dems who think GLBT issues can be ignored until 2030

:kick:

[noiretextatique]

9. this travesty demonstrates how horribly tragic and real

institutionalized and irrational hatred truly is, and how it affects people's lives.
obama claims he wants "dialogue" with people like mcclurkin, but stories like this prove how absurd and morally bankrupt that notion truly is.

[NMMNG]

10. People don't get it

They'll never get it because they don't want to get it.

This is not about what we do in bed.
This is not about "one-issue voting".

This is about our lives. Every. single. aspect. of our lives. Anybody who cannot understand that is not a progressive and needs to educate themselves.

I'm so very weary of having to go through this over and over again I could just scream.

[Maven]

11. DU has really changed when the first response to a thread like this is so trollish

and homophobic that it needs to be deleted.

Sick.

[NMMNG]

12. Consider this entire campaign season

We're supposed to be "reaching out" to bigots. Now they've infiltrated our board. You'd expect anything less?

[Maven]

13. Sadly, no.

:(

[NMMNG]

14. I'm just more and more convinced,

That there's no room in the Democratic party for us. It's obvious that they're not willing to fight for our Human and Civil Rights. The "rights" of the bigots to be bigots seem to be more important to them.

[totodeinhere]

15. That is a tragic story.

That's one more reason why we need to come together after the nomination has been decided so that we can defeat the Republicans in November. GBLT issues need to be on the front burner.

If either Obama or Clinton are elected we will see much progress on this front. But GBLT's shouldn't expect any help from McCain. He is too busy trying to protect himself from all of the fundies on his political right whom he needs if he's going to win the election.

[okasha]

17. Those would be the same fundies

Obama's already kicked us under the bus for.

Try again.

[totodeinhere]

19. So you don't think that either Obama or Clinton...

would be better on GBLT issues than McCain? I ask for party unity and in response I get an attack on Obama from you.

[okasha]

22. I think Clinton would be better for LGBT's than McCain.

Show some party unity and get behind that.

[totodeinhere]

23. But Clinton might not get the nomination.

If she does, I will certainly support her, but if not I hope that in the interest of unity you will support Obama. After all, party unity is a two way street, not a one way alley.

[okasha]

24. Really?

It looks pretty narrow and badly lit to me and other LGBT Dems right now.

[Solon]

26. What's the point of party unity when the party doesn't support you?

That's a serious question that must be answered. When all certain segments of the population are given is breadcrumbs and rhetoric, at some point they aren't going to be used like that anymore.

[LadyVT]

16. Some people do get it. And their numbers are growing. Don't give up.

[Skittles]

18. I hear you terrya

always have, always will support GLBT issues

[Maddy McCall]

20. I'm with you. That story is heartbreaking.

:hug:

K/R

[Occam Bandage]

21. And on the GLBT issues, Clinton and Obama are identical.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

25. But...but...but...Obama hates gay people!

McClurkin TOLD ME SO.

:cry::cry:

[Solon]

27. Obama doesn't hate gay people, he just panders to those who do...

there's a difference there. And I really wish Obama's supporters would actually own up to the fact that it actually hurt many GLBT folks on DU. At this point, the rifts are huge, and neither Obama nor his supporters are helping much by minimizing this atrocious campaigning.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

28. Obama was a short-sighted idiot to bring that "ex-gay" moronic piece of shit on stage.

Donnie McClurkin is a disgrace to the species, all parading around being a gospel singing asshat. That said, if anyone is discounting Obama to the point where one won't vote for him in the GE, all because of McClurkin, I have a hard time taking said person seriously.

[hulklogan]

29. You'll take us seriously when we actually don't vote for Obama

and we have four years of President McLobbyist.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

31. So you're shooting yourself and others in the foot to prove a point?

I don't think any candidate is truly going to bring change about for GLBT Americans--politicians, frankly, aren't agents of change. Change is going to come from people no matter who's in the White House, though some politicians will be more friendly towards it than others will. I think Barack Obama would be far more receptive than John McCain to GLBT rights, stupid political stunts or otherwise. So would Hillary Clinton. Meanwhile, neither Obama nor Clinton would be doing as much overall damage to the country as McCain would.

You'll be marching on D.C. for your equal rights no matter who's in the White House. If you see the candidates as two evils, choose the lesser one, which I would think, in a McCain/Obama match-up, would be Obama. Don't throw the country into the crapper because of Donnie McClurkin--I doubt it's worth it or makes anyone willing to take you seriously in the future.

[Solon]

30. I don't judge such people that harshly...

The fact is that neither Obama nor Hillary deserve the White House, and neither does McCain. Oh, I'll vote for whoever has a (D) after their name in the General Election, but it will be the last Presidential election I'll participate in. I'm going to see if I can leave this insane nation and the assholes who run it.

[WritingIsMyReligion]

32. Ah, I see.

I would be tempted to agree re: fleeing the nation, only I'm not sure there are many better places to go.

:hi:

[Solon]

33. The only thing that would suck is I would be subject to American foriegn policy...

and whether its Democrats or Republicans in charge of it.