Interesting mischief-Republicans campaigning for Obama to defeat Clinton

[Freida5]

Sounds like a Rove idea. This is great that the Democrat party can be controled by the Rethugs and for what end. More and more I feel not only are Democrats going to lose the Presidency in the General Election but we are going to lose Congress in the fall because we have fallen for Rethug BS again.

http://ironmyvote.com/obamas-popular-vote.htm

From a "Republicans for Obama" website:

http://ironmyvote.com/obamas-popular-vote.htm

Its on a site called Republicans for obama in texas
Home » Groups » Texas R.F.O. Primary Petition for Obama
E-mail to send to all your Republican friends
Sat, 02/16/2008 - 10:41pm
Attention All Texas Republicans and Independents!!
On March 4th, Texas Republicans and Independents will have an opportunity to end Hillary Clinton’s (and Bill’s) presidential ambitions once and for all!
Since Texas has on open primary, Republicans and Independents should sign in at their polling place and request a Democratic ballot. They should then vote for Barack Obama. Even James Carville admits that if Hillary loses Texas, “she’s done!” Republicans can help make this a reality!!! Just think, no more Clintons in the White House!
Voting Democratic this one time will have NO effect on your ability to vote in the next Republican primary or obviously on your vote in November. Since John McCain has the Republican nomination locked up, voting for McCain or Huckabee at this point will have no effect on the outcome on the Republican side.
After you vote during early voting or on March 4th, you ARE NOT done! Report back to your regular polling place at 7PM on March 4th to sign the Barack Obama list for caucus delegates. In a little known Texas voting quirk, 67 delegates to the Democratic convention will be seated because of these caucuses. This is a full one-third of the total number of Texas delegates. For Hillary to lose, she has to lose the primary votes AND the caucus votes. I urge you to vote against Hillary Clinton by voting for Barack Obama.
Please forward this e-mail to all your Republican and Independent friends so that we can help ensure the Clinton’s defeat on March 4th!!!


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Similar instructions from the Obama campaign:

Here’s a video from the Obama campaign

Slickly produced, promoting their “Democrat for a Day” scheme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUE4Kp0YERs

Obama Web page in Florida:

The following has been scrubbed from the web but was up for months at an Obama campaign site:
Quoting from the Google cache “as retrieved on Nov 30, 2007 02:11:00 GMT”
http:// www.google.com/search?q=cache:MVQ9FvgfVwoJ:www.obamaflorida2008.com/plugins/p2_news/printarticle.php%3Fp2_articleid%3D17+St.+Johns+voters+are+already+re-registering+in+the+%22Democrat+for+a+Day%22+program.&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=us&client=opera

WANNA BECOME AN OBAMACRAT?!!!
By Obama Florida 2008
Published: April 24, 2007
….
That’s why “Democrat for a Day” was launched this spring by ObamaFlorida2008. Using the official forms provided by all Supervisors of Elections offices, you may re-register as a Democrat for that one day — when the primary is likely to be held — on February 5, 2008. You must do so before the end of 2007, to make sure it is done 30 days before the primary.
But this is not about some “hard sell” to recruit voters to become permanent Democrats. Not at all. After the primary, you may re-register back to the Republican or Libertarian parties, or revert to your previous status as an Independent! There will be plenty of time before the general election in November 2008.
….
But we’re finding that up to 20 percent of Obama supporters are registered Republicans.
In fact, during the first couple of weeks in April, some 150 Republicans indeed became “Democrats for a Day.” You might call them “Obamacrats!”

Obama Flyer in Nevada:

A flyer was distributed in Nevada by an Obama precinct captain, similar to the above Florida page - http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26826


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Similar efforts:

Dick Morris’ explicit instructions to Republicans: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt_jnhsyqg0

Obama’s Democrat for a Day training video: http://www. youtube.com/watch?v=JUE4Kp0YERs

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews on 2-19-2008 also talked about Republicans having "some fun" voting for Obama:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23255694/
MATTHEWS: Let me talk to you. Let me go right now, Ron, is that your theory, that—well, it‘s mine, too—that if you can vote if you‘re a moderate or independent voter or you‘re a Republican who doesn‘t think it‘s important to vote on the Republican side, since it‘s locked up for McCain, have some fun and vote for somebody you have sort of an interest in, Barack Obama, perhaps?


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More leads
-- we need to collect evidence of GOP crossover in many different locales, so that the superdelegates in each locale will understand where Obama's 'popular' vote is coming from

news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080222/ap_on_el_pr/open_primaries_1


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If anyone has more evidence to add, pls email 1950democrat - a t - g m a i l . c o m or post it at http://1950democrat.livejournal.com/55788.html (may not appear immediately).

[Oleladylib]

1. exactly correct

[DaLittle Kitty]

23. Democrats Are SOOOOOO Weak and Easy To Infiltrate... Watch We're Los'n Another One

Because of all the morons in this party... So easy to PERSUADE!

[mmonk]

2. It's Democratic party

so "get real".

[elizm]

3. No one can rally the Republican base like Hillary!

If they hate her so much they would go to these lengths in the primary, just think what would happen if she were the nominee. Your agrument here seems to fall short when you consider what it says about how much she is hated by the right.

[sueragingroz]

17. do you ever wonder why they hate/fear her so much?

It's because she has the cahones to take them on and win!

[elizm]

27. I live in SC. I can tell you...they do not FEAR her. They hate her. nt

[PaDem]

36. nope, they just hate her beyond belief............

this isn't a play to get Obama on the ticket because he's more "beatable". It's rather an indication of just how much these people hate Hillary, and it's exactly why she would lose a general election, and it's exactly why I didn't support her in the primaries. These Republicans would have been wise to lay in wait for the general election, but they can't help themselves.

[juajen]

28. The CLINTONS are hated because they have actually

defeated republicans. That's OK folks, go ahead and let the pugs defeat us again. Quoting Forrest Gump, "Stupid is as stupid does."

It's absolutely rovian to destroy the very thing that can save you; and, Karl, while you're at it, please destroy the Clintons' good relationship with African Americans. Attack the very thing that has been considered their cornerstone, you know, like John Kerry's service to his country, and Al Gore's intelligence and experience. Come on, dems, isn't this great fun?

[sellitman]

4. Ever notice how all the Freeper disruptors here have Obama Icons?

Almost every one.

[goldcanyonaz]

6. I do notice the majority of RW hit sites being used as sources for many of them...

But, I'm just paranoid.

:rofl:

[mmonk]

9. Notice how people that recycle stale attacks

like 'Obama is a republican plot' have a lack of creativity? Calling us republicans is over the top.

[juajen]

31. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, BY GOLLY, it's a damn duck!

NT

[sellitman]

44. My statement stands but you shouldn't be so quick to judge.

If you follow any of my many posts here or did a little history check you would have noticed I am an Obama supporter and voter. It wasn't an attack it was an observation.

[still_one]

35. "freeper disruptors", do you have evidence of that? Who are you to accuse people on this forum

as freepers. Unless you have proof, your assertions are nothing more than joe mccarthy tatics

[sellitman]

42. Try Decaf next time.

I haven't been cutting and pasting each thread as it happens but I have seen more than a few TS'd posters sporting Obama Icons. All this is is my observation. If you don't like reading my observations I suggest putting me on ignore.

[still_one]

56. If you don't like my responses to your posts, don't respond, touche'

[Arkana]

43. Yep, you're right. I'm a Freeper disruptor.

What fucking right do you even have to say that? While we're making bullshit accusations I'll say that all Hillary fans are Freeper trolls.

[sellitman]

52. See post #44 Before you have a heart attack. N/t

[GDavis]

5. This is pervasive in Texas

[doc03]

7. I would like to add no self respecting

racist Republican I know will vote for a black guy named Barrark Hussein Obama in the GE. WE had Reagan Democrats but like I say a true Republican is always going to vote Republican, they aren't going to change.

[Danger Mouse]

10. Does that mean they'd vote for Hillary?

Hell no! People like that are a lost cause.

[doc03]

19. Of course not they will hold their nose

and vote for McCain. I look for them to take out McCain somehow and get a candidate more to their liking before fall anyway..

[DaLittle Kitty]

24. Read This For More Evidence....

MyDD :: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Obama Unmasked & Gamed

by linfar, Sat Feb 16, 2008 at 02:33:26 PM EST
Links at end

Robert Creamer, who pleaded guilty of bank fraud and failure to pay federal taxes in Aug, 2005, and who spent the second half of 2006 living at the Federal Corectional Institute in Terre Haute, Indiana, taught at "Camp Obama" in 2007. His job: to instruct interns and volunteers in political organizing--the very abuses of which sent him to jail.

What did Creamer teach at Obama's week long politial training camp? INSPIRATION!! And he lectured that there are only two groups of voters who decide the outcomes of elections. So these are the targets of communiation that can be affected by political campaigns. They are "persuadables" and "mobilizables."

According to Creamer in an article which appeared yesterday in the Huffington Post, "persuadables" are voters who are switch hitters, they will vote either party, but they always vote. The deal is that they have to be persuaded to vote for your candidate. "Mobilizables" don't have to be persuaded. But they often don't vote. They have to be "inspired" to vote.

He then gives examples of Obama's message which targets these groups:

That we're all in this together

You're not all in this alone

Unity not division

Hope not fear

Creamer has little respect for issues. Forget 10 point plans. Stick with inspiration.

Unfortunately, while the carefully nurtured political gambit of Inspiration with a capital I has surely succeeded; and it does match for cynicism anything out of the Karl Rove playbook, the Republicans have gamed the effort.

Rove was another step ahead of Obama.

Forty percent of the Obama voters in Iowa were Republicans. Obama will tell you his "inspiration" message is working. Republican operatives tell a different story.There is a very successful GOP strategy to take out Hillary in the democratic primaries that is capitalizing on the Obama strategy.

Former Senator Lincoln Chafee, the most famous vote for John Bolton to become Ambassador to the United Nations and who was defeated for re-election in the 2006 mid-term elections in Rhode Island by Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse, publicly endorsed Obama last week. The Rhode Island primary is March 4. Chafee joins a long list of Republicans who have either endorsed the junior senator outright or praised him mightily. Robert Kagan, a leading neoconservative and co-founder of the New American Century, a group which called for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, has praised Obama fulsomely.

But more importantly there is a nationwide roster of Republican party activists who have backed Obama and then brought their constituents along with them to vote Independent or cross party lines to vote for Obama. This is a fact of this primary season.

The pattern is so widespread that one has to wonder what is going on?

Obama, via his now obvious campaign strategy outlined above, would have us believe that his cross party appeal is bringing in tons of new voters. Men and women, he asserts, who are abandoning their party to vote for him. And some Democratic Party officials and activists are supporting Obama based on this assertion. Who doesn't want a candidate who can bring in masses of new voters? Nancy Pelosi it has been rumored, impressed by this vote-getting ability, is considering endorsing Obama.

But what if Obama is not actually bringing in tons of new voters? What if Republicans have organized to cross party lines or vote independent with one goal in mind: to defeat Senator Clinton. And what if this strategy was developed by top level Republican party functionaries-- including Karl Rove-- who believe Clinton will be the more formidable opponent in the general election?

Anecdotal evidence in support of a Republican manipulation is everywhere. Remember the recent Obama win in Maryland? Nicole Price, the Maryland political director of Obama's campaign told the Washington Times that when she arrived in the state to ramp up the campaign. She found "a home-grown campaign already thriving." Republicans backing Obama had put more yard signs in Maryland than in South Carolina and they had paid for the signs "themselves." The Times also noted that in Louisiana, where he won by a wide margin, exit polls showed that Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary favored Mr. Obama 3-1 over Clinton. About 5 percent of the voters in the Democratic primary said they were Republicans.

According to the Washington Times story, Daniel B., Chance, a retired oil man, voted for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in the Maryland Republican primary in the morning. He then spent the afternoon making calls from the phone bank at the Obama campaign's Baltimore County Headquarters in Towson.

The critical point here is this: what is a loyal Huckabee supporter doing making calls for Obama?

Moreover, the Huckabee supporter joined a large mix of either Republicans like himself or Democrat for-a-day Republican converts who were also making calls on behalf of Obama.

Besides this anecdotal evidence, are there any hard facts which support a widespread Republican manipulation of the Democratic primaries? Time magazine reports,

"Rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations to vote in Democratic primaries."

In Nebraska, the mayor of Omaha publicly rallied Republicans to caucus for Obama on February 9th. And according to CNN in Iowa 44 percent of those voting for Obama were Republican.

Joe Conason in Salon in late December wrote,

"In the weeks since Karl Rove offered his unsolicited advice on how to defeat Hillary Clinton in the pages of the Financial Times, right wing expressions of support for Obama have become increasingly conspicuous and voluble."

These include opinion makers like the Weekly Standard, William Kristol who endorsed Obama in a NY Times editorial and George Will. Three major fundraisers for the President have now given money to Obama. The Weekly Standard ran a cover story in early December that according to Conason "literally swooned" over Obama. This story was written by Stephen Hays, Dick Cheney's admiring biographer and according to Conason "the last journalist on earth who still believes that Saddam Hussein was allied with al_Qaida."

The broadcast media apparently not immune itself to the "inspiration message manipulation" of voter emotion has also displayed an fawning adulation of Obama. For example one only need consider Chris Mathews saying he got a thrill in his leg over Obama. And this must be contrasted with a deplorable bias and outright prejudice against Clinton. Karl Rove citing polling data declared,

"There is no candidate on record, a front-runner for a party's nomination, who has entered the primary season with negatives as high as she has."

And like little sprouts off the main tree all the broadcast networks began hammering home the idea that "the voters don't like her." Over and over and over again adjectives such as "unlikeable," "divisive," and "polarizing," have been repeated about Clinton in an avalanche of negative press. This repetion cannot help but remind one of the way "weapons of mass destruction" were repeated ad nauseum in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. And very much like that media orchestrated campaign or the one that buried Al Gore, both of which were based on so much false and perjured evidence, nowhere is it understood, let alone reported, that Rove based that original assessment on interviews with conservative voters.

There are here and there in the public square a few who are questioning what appears to be a mindless adoration of Obama's message of hope. And often times this is based on what appear to be amazing contradictions in his stated positions on those apparently "non-inspriing" issues.

Here are a some of these questions:

How do you believe in someone who says he'll agree to public campaign financing and now is taking it back?

How do you believe in someone who claimed not to have PACs and now is found to have donated more than 4 times what Clinton did to Super Delegates?

How do you believe in someone who says he's for gun control in one state and against it in another state?

How do you believe in someone who claims not to be playing the race card and then gets caught circulating a memo detailing how to do just that?

How do you believe in someone who sends Jesse Jackson Jr. to intimidate black candidates who support Clinton?

The blogger who wrote this cracked me up and I close with it now because it is just so perfect:

There is a sucker born every minute, I hear.
I just didn't realize they'd all join up at once and chant, "Yes We Can!"

Links: http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/why-inspiration-will-make_b_86844.html http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1680192,00.html http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080212/NATION/108597255/0 http://www.salon.com/opinion/consason/2007/12/21/right_and_obama/print.html


Tags: Barack Obama, Robert Creamer, Hillary Clinton, Karl Rove, Republicans, Lincoln Chafee, Maryland (all tags)

[doc03]

29. You aren't going to sway any Obama supporters

but it certainly looks that way to me, the MSM has gone absolutely nuts over him. Now that he has the nomination pretty much clinched the knives will come out. We already see the Republicans trying to take out McCain themselves so they get someone more to their liking.

[enid602]

Hill vs BO

Hillary vs Obama is not the issue here. The real reason for wanting to control the Democratic primary this year is to vanquish the candidate that supports mandated, universal health care. Hillary had the nerve to fight this sacred cow once; they don't wnat to give her a chance to do it again.

[Danger Mouse]

11. Don't confuse universal health CARE with universal health INSURANCE.

she offers the latter.

[enid602]

14. ??

No insurance, no health care.

[Danger Mouse]

40. 'insurance' means the HMO's are still in business.

and still conducting business as usual.

[enid602]

48. single-payer

Yes, I see. But remember, Hil has said that she will have a mandated, multi-payer universal health care system, as long as the insurance companies cooperate. She could easily switch over to a single-payer system in the future. France administers its universal health care system through its various insurance companies (a HUGE presence and force in the French economy), apparently without problems or waste. Can our insurance companies match that performance? Who knows? BTW, I share your skepticism of HMO's.

[Danger Mouse]

49. i don't much trust BO or HC on this issue...

since both of them take big donations from the robber barons who are running our broken system.

[iamjoy]

8. Nothing Sinister Here

Other than the Republicans' irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton.

I strongly doubt this is a diabolical plot to make Obama our candidate because they think he'd be easier to beat.

[juajen]

38. I happen to agree with you here. Obama is the REPUBLICAN candidate,

bought and paid for. Just wait and see.

[BeatleBoot]

12. Seen this all before - George McGovern in 1972

Resulted in a Nixon Landslide. History is repeating itself.

Thanks for the post and links!

K&R

[loveangelc]

13. it's a genius thing to do tbh in tx. neither hillary or obama will win tx so it doesnt matter.

[Omega3]

32. neither will we win LA, KS, NE, ND, ID, AK, MS, AL, or SC but that doesn't stop the Obamabots from

pushing him like he's the next Jesus Christ. It's all a big SET UP. So many of us will be so dissapointed come November.

[doc03]

15. Something else I have heard from the Republicans

is that Obama has the most liberal voting record in the Senate. Hillary is kind of between a rock and a hard place because she can't say Obama is too liberal in our primaries because she has tried so hard to get away from that label herself. You see already since it looks like he is going to be our nominee that's the strategy (he is too liberal) they are going to use. Obama wants to surrender to the terrorists, they will use his middle name on every ad and they will find a clever way to get race into it. I'm sure they will find some skeletons in his closet too, even if they have to make some up.

[BlueManDude]

16. I'd like to thank them for helping to nominate our best GE candidate.

[Perky]

18. yep

[texas_indy]

20. Well said and spot on. Texas is Obama country. Paging President Obama! (nt)

[juajen]

30. Be careful what you wish for.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

21. Please let their eyes and minds be open to truth.....just think!

[noiretextatique]

22. this is unity, not sabotage

because it's obama. if it were nader, that would be different.

[NGinpa]

25. But why do the Repubs want to run against Obama??

Now that is the real question here, assuming everything else said is a given!

[Freida5]

26. So that they can experience a McGovern level landslide for Rethugs.

[still_one]

34. Put on your tin foil hat, because the national polls contradict your implication /nt

[Freida5]

46. Well are just beginning to see the swiftboating of BO by the Rethug

The comparative polls are meaningless now.

[still_one]

55. My friend they will be swift boating whoever are nominee is, and we will still win

They can't control the young, and I do not believe the gender vote is going to sit around and have males like me telling them what they can or cannot do with their health and bodies

We will win, it is over for the 30% extremists that took over the republican party

[still_one]

33. Your implication that the DEMCRATS supporting Obama are repulican pawns is absurd

Then you say not only are we going to lose the executive branch because we are so blind, but also congress

The truth is that a lot of independents do not like Hillary. I suspect it was the decade of the ninties with the constant media hate machine going at full bore. Whatever it is, more independents like Obama, and general elections are won by independents

Think what you may, but no matter WHO are nominee is we will NOT only win the executive branch but also Congress

If it is Obama, deal with it

[ElsewheresDaughter]

41. it is a fact that these 1 time rethug votes for Obama is real and a very real danger to Dem WH

[still_one]

53. No matter WHO are nominee is, they are NOT going to win Congress

and they WILL NOT WIN THE WHITE HOUSE EITHER

Either candidate, Obama or Clinton, will do just fine

don't believe ANYTHING our MSM tells you, they have been wrong on almost everything, starting with the WMDs

[loudsue]

37. I have a very unpopular point of view of all of this.....

Republicans are Americans, too. And this is supposed to be a Democracy, where the people are supposed to get to decide who represents them. There are a whole helluva lot of PEOPLE (human beings, citizens) who don't want Hillary Clinton to represent them, so they're doing whatever they have to do to make sure that she isn't chosen.

I only wish Democrats were as organized as republicans come election time (and it wouldn't hurt if Democrats controlled the programming in the voting/tallying machines). If we were, we could have defeated George Bush in the primaries in 2000, and we could have avoided the worst 8 years in American history since the civil war.

Have the slimey, crooked, greedy, fascist republican national machine ORGANIZED a lot of this Obama support? I have no doubt. But right here in rural North Carolina, it was the LOCALS who started talking about doing this in the primaries over a year ago. They really do hate Hillary...they fear her as the antichrist. Is the decades-long hate of Hillary a RNC phenomena? I have no doubt. But it has infected the minds of so many regular joe's, that they will do anything to defeat her.

Whether Obama is going to get defeated by the same machine or not, who knows. I think the whole and entire campaign has been infected by the corporations that control our country.

But organizing to defeat someone in the primaries is part of the Democratic process. Democrats should learn how to do it. LIEberman was a start, but there has to be a whole lot more of it.

[Jersey Devil]

39. I agree Reps want Obama, not out of hate for Hill, but based on racism

I think they are counting on racism rearing its head and defeating Obama because they think a black man cannot win in America despite the appearance in the primaries that racism is not a factor. Then they can quietly rally all the yahoos to come out to vote against Obama.

[Oleladylib]

47. actually for both reasons

[jmg257]

45. Let's see..."vote for Obama so he beats Hillary"...what a conspiracy! How could I be SOO duped!

And here I thought the primaries was all about voting for who gives better speeches.

:sarcasm:

[LadyVT]

50. OMG. Please send to the press.

[557188]

51. November November

I will have told you Obama cult members I told you so if Obama gets the nomination.

I will then blame YOU for 4 more years of Republican rule.

If you wanted to hate Hillary you should've jumped on the Edwards bandwagon, an actual progressive who could've beat the Republicans. Instead you get duped and are trying to give us the weakest candidate against the Republican machine.

[apocalypsehow]

54. Uh-huh. Your "concern" is touching....

:eyes: