If Obama and Hillary are so good, then why

[NoBushSpokenHere]

are we still voting on Republican machines? Why haven't either of them done something about this? Why didn't they stand up for voter verified paper ballots?

Excuse me, but there isn't a person with half a brain that doesn't know 2004 GE was fixed... so why hasn't the system been changed by now?

Why don't they use the press they are gaining now to speak out on the topic?

[Justyce]

1. Amen! Rec'd.

[texas_indy]

2. Ask the states and cities this question since they are the ones who decide how it is done. (nt)

[NoBushSpokenHere]

4. Congress was the element that passed HAVA which

was Republicans and corrupt Dems used as an excuse for the states using vote eating machines!

So, our Democratic Congress has had time now to correct the error, but they haven't...why? Explain why they haven't. Explain why they are satisfied with an election system owned by Republicans with no way to verify the counts!

[mrcheerful]

3. Because the public for the most part wouldn't believe

the Goberment would tamper with their right to vote. From dealing with forums on this subject most of the public think voting machines are dependable and tamper proof, never mind facts we are dealing with people that if they realized voting was "fixed" they would sit home instead of doing anything about it and who ever tries to burst their bubbles will end up going down.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

6. I believe this is why we are having record turnout AMERICANS

are not as dumb as Congress thinks they are and they believe Obama is going to fix the system. People know, anyone with a half a brain knows.

But why hasn't he and why hasn't Hillary fixed it already?

[mrcheerful]

18. Not here in Michigan the numb nuts I been reading all think McCain will bring change

and Hillery would be a mistake, more sex in the WH and BO is just another Jessie Jackson running which means more power to blacks at whites expense. Theres only 5 counties that are liberal in the state, thank fully they have the biggest cities. I found it very amusing that one forum I visit saw no hypocricy in the fact that first they ran the BO is muslim E mail then 24 hours later the E mail stating that BO belonged to a radical black chirstian church. One bright boy said that BO was related to Saddam because of BO's middle name.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

19. McBush's change will be worse than any we have seen yet...YIKES........nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. Because voting procedures are decided by state and local governments.

[RaleighNCDUer]

22. And when some big corporation comes in saying

"We can put you in compliance with HAVA, and we know you don't have a lot of money to meet that expense, so we will let you have the machines at 3% over cost, and supply the technicians to get them up and running, and provide maintenance so it WON'T COST YOU A CENT MORE THAN YOU ARE NOW PAYING ---"

HAVA was a mandate for election boards across the country to switch from what worked, to what works for the Republicans.

The republicans gut the country's finances, then drop an unfunded mandate to comply with 'voting reform' - so when ES&S or Diebold come along offering to save the state or county a bundle of money, even a Democratic SoS will look at the bottom line. Who to believe? The ranting of some conspiracy theorists, or a 10 million dollar saving to the state budget?

[NoBushSpokenHere]

23. LOL 4 years later some still believe it wasn't stolen...glad the

folks who are racing to the polls don't think so... just hope the votes are counted accurately this time.

[ClassWarrior]

7. How should we know? Attend their events and ask them the question.

NGU.

[cali]

8. I vote on a big piece of paper and stick it in

a big shabby cardboard box with a raggedy slit. Yeah, yeah, I know. That didn't answer your question.

[stray cat]

9. Do you want them to be elected and then fix the problem or not get elected

and sound like partisan hacks trying to prove misconduct without sufficient facts to make the case. Most of America does not believe 2004 was fixed - eventhough it may have been. Many know they voted against Kerry in favor of Bush.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

12. Ah hem... they have both been in the position to fix it...

and how do they get elected with a broken system? And, yes, there is sufficient data, ask John Conyers. Why haven't our Democratic members of Congress worked on this issue more?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. True! If They Were So Good They'd Be Able To Snap Their Fingers And Make The World Perfect For You!

I mean, the world's not perfect yet? Every single thing that every voter could want has not yet been accomplished yet? HOW DARE THEY!!! DOWN WITH BARACK AND HILLARY!!!!!

[Prefer]

11. If Barack is so great - why isn't he already president?

Same goes for hillary,

[NoBushSpokenHere]

13. Can anyone cite either candidates position on the equipment? nt

[shadowrider]

14. It seems to me

The Democrats won a majority in '06 using this same equipment. Are you insinuating THOSE results are bad if the machines haven't been fixed yet? Or are you saying they were broken in '04, fixed in '06, now they're broken again?

I'm confused.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

16. 06 was only successful for us because they knew we were watching closely nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

24. There was MORE voting machine fraud in 06 than in 04.

The repukes just didn't figure the margins correctly.

They thought that a 3-5% flipping of votes (this number is verified by the differences in multiple exit polls vs actual votes) would be sufficient again for a repuke victory, but it actually only cushioned their losses. Without the cheating that DID happen we'd have had an unassailable majority in the house, and at least a couple more senate seats - we would not need to depend on Turncoat Joe.

And since 06, even MORE election boards have moved to touchscreen voting, despite the few that have moved away from it.

[OnTheOtherHand]

25. pshaw

I acknowledge your faith in exit polls, but there isn't much warrant for it.

[tbyg52]

27. That's what I've always thought

and I'm sure they are prepared to do it again in '08. If they do, I hope enough people finally pay attention....

[Ino]

15. I blame Feinstein

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20070720/news_1n20voting.html

Overhauling voting systems before next year's presidential election had once been a top Democratic priority, primarily to allow greater accountability and be certain that all votes registered on computerized touch-screen systems were counted. But state and local elections officials told Congress they could not make the changes in time for the balloting in November 2008, particularly in light of the extra workload involved in preparing for next year's much-earlier presidential primary season.

Confronted by similar concerns, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., the chairwoman of the Senate Rules Committee, said she had already decided against seeking any major changes in voting equipment before 2010.

“My sense is there's no way to get this thing in place by the election of 2008,” Feinstein said. “Without adequate time, we could cause real problems in the election."

[NoBushSpokenHere]

17. Papers and pens can cause "real problems", eh? nt

[demnan]

20. The answer is simple

Because the majority of the American people have not demanded it or protested the last two rigged elections. Why are the American people uninformed that their vote is compromised? Because the mainstream media will not report the truth.

Politicians never lead, they follow if there is enough public sentiment.

[NoBushSpokenHere]

21. Oh but now they have an ear ...the media is listening....nt

[Forkboy]

26. It's the monster in the closet no one wants to face.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

28. Guess you haven't heard of the Diebold Dems???

Here's just one, but check it out, a really big one!

The Democratic Party | DieboldIn August, O'Dell hired former DNC chair Joe Andrew--a guy who is convinced Bush "stole" the 2000 election--for a pro-Diebold PR blitz. In fact, Dems have ...
www.democrats.org/a/2005/12/diebold.php

I have another list somewhere, but some include MD's Elections Chief Linda Lamone,
Cathy Cox former SOS of Georgia, and there are more.

Get the idea?

[NoBushSpokenHere]

29. Diebold is one bad company for sure...didn't I hear they changed

the name of the company?

[tbyg52]

31. Yes. Premier Election Solutions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_Election_Solutions
http://www.premierelections.com/

They can run, but they can't hide....

[Kurovski]

30. K&R. (nt)