Obama floods Ohio mail boxes with false, misleading flyers

[liberalnurse]

Obama's misleading mailer on NAFTA hits Ohio

This mailing is trying to make it appear that there is differences between Obama and Clinton that historically does not exist.

Furthermore, it creates the impression that Obama is against international trade agreements, which is also not accurate.

Third, it implies that Clinton has directly called NAFTA a "boon" to the economy when in reality that is how Newsday characterized her position on NAFTA.


http://www.buckeyestateblog.com/obamas_misleading_mailer_on_nafta_hits_ohio

Jeff over at Ohio Daily Blog, has an item about a new Obama mailer attacking Hillary Clinton over NAFTA.

According to the Obama campaign:


Obama has "consistently" opposed NAFTA.
Clinton has called NAFTA a "boon" to the economy.
Jeff has the full mailer for y'all to see but let's clear the air of this right now.

Here is the link to view the lies Obama sent out as mailer:

http://www.ohiodailyblog.com/content/obama-mailer-slams-clinton-nafta

Obama and Clinton have an exact identical record on trade. Both voted against CAFTA. Both voted to support the Bush Administration's proposal to expand NAFTA to include Peru. If you can find a difference in voting on international trade issues, please share it.

The claim that Hillary Clinton called NAFTA a "boon" to the economy is based on a 9/11/06 story in Newsday. However the story itself contains no such quote, but instead characterizes that as Clinton's position on NAFTA.

While claiming that he has "consistently" opposed NAFTA, Obama voted for the Peru trade deal. He has not called for the United States to withdraw from NAFTA or GATT. According to his own campaign's website, Obama is calling for changes to be made to NAFTA-- the same position he is criticizing Clinton for taking. Obama has not so much consistently opposed NAFTA as much as he might have consistently proposed tinkering with it. To me, that is a big difference from someone who has "consistently opposed" something. People who oppose abortion don't talk about reforming it; they talk about ending it.

Besides the Peru trade deal, Obama has supported other "free trade" deals presented to the Senate during his brief term.


Now, let's look at heathcare lies from Obama mailers!

Health Care Advocates Denouce Obama's Negative Mailer
Posted February 1, 2008 | 01:12 PM (EST)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/taylor-marsh/health-care-advocates-den_b_84484.html


Obama's lies in his flyer state:

" Hillary's Health care plan forces everyone to buy insurance even if they can't afford it"

So, let's talk truth Obamarites!!!!!

"Disgusting."

"So far over the line."

"Drive to the lowest common denominator."

"Retract it."

These are all words currently used to describe Barack Obama's negative health care mailer, including coming from a former Edwards health care adviser (speaking for himself and having not spoken to Edwards about Obama's mailer). Experts who are not supporting any candidate, but are health care experts, were included in the Clinton camp call, all of whom charged that Obama's mailer could cause permanent damage to universation health care efforts.

"The mailer is wrong and misleading." - Peter Harbage, former Edwards health care adviser

I don't remember when I was on a media call with uncommitted experts denouncing the tactics of a Democratic candidate so strongly. But that was the case today, in a conversation that had Barack Obama being called "disingenuous," and the health care mailer he's currently sending out across the country roundly denounced.


then this.....to clear up the Obama "big insurance paid lies!

Clinton mentioned last night that the forces wanting to stop universal health care spent $300 million to attack her in 1993.

Well today, Barack Obama is spending some of his big bucks to act as an agent against universal health care. He knows her plan is better. It doesn't leave 15 million people out, as well as aligns her with John Edwards. You have to wonder what he'd think about these negative and patently false mailers.

[BlackVelvet04]

1. More evidence he's a liar. n/t

[Johnny__Motown]

14. What lie? point one out and prove it please, just one

[readmoreoften]

23. The OP clearly points out the lie. That's what the entire OP does. It methodically points out a lie.

:shrug: maybe you should reread it?

[redstate_democrat]

25. NO, Hillary is the LIE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ0swdRvYgw">Hillary Clinton: "Nafta has been good for New York and America."

[BlackVelvet04]

27. The lies about NAFTA have been pointed out with links over and over

again. Look for them if you dare because I'm not jumping through hoops because a poster is too lazy to read.

[SoFlaJet]

2. just think

pretty soon all this will be over and we can all come together as democrats again and fight the truly evil empire of the GOP-how many days until the March 5th concession speech?

[NJSecularist]

11. I'm counting the days

The Hillary smear machine of the Democratic party can't end soon enough.

[SoFlaJet]

22. my biggest concern is this:

she is now and in the immediate future WILL be looking at 2012. I don't trust these people to try and torpedo the Obama run for THEIR OWN selfish, political POSSIBLE future gains-just like they did with standing up with John McCain as the first senators to come out publicly against John Kerry for botching a punchline-she lost me forever that day

[CatnHat]

18. I will not

support any candidate who lies and distorts. We had about 8 years of it; don't need another four. Obama does lie and distort. Simple as that.

[journalist3072]

3. Obama is an outright liar and cannot be trusted. He is NOT what America deserves in the White House

We deserve better.

We do not need Bush-reincarnated.

[scheming daemons]

4. OK, Frieda....

...

:eyes:

[tabatha]

6. so is clinton

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVuMYKs8iJs

[ProSense]

13. Facts:

According to news reports, the Clinton campaign lashed out at the use of the mailer in a conference call with selected reporters, complaining that the mail piece bears a resemblance to the "Harry and Louise" TV spots of 1993 and 1994 (pictured here).

One person on the call emotionally said the Obama mail piece was "outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, Illinois." That outburst was quickly disavowed during the call by Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson, who said it is "not a comparison that (the campaign) would make." The unpaid health care adviser who made the remark, Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, later apologized. He sent an e-mail to reporters saying, "My passions overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate."

We agree that there is a resemblance between the photo on the Obama mailer and the TV spots. In those ads actors portraying a white, middle-class couple expressed grave concerns about how the Clinton administration's health care plan would affect them. The ads were part of a $17 million campaign by the insurance industry that was widely credited – rightly or wrongly – with contributing to the defeat of the Clinton plan, and the ads still anger many advocates of broader government efforts to provide health insurance. But so far as we can see, Obama's choice of images in his mailer has nothing whatever to do with the accuracy of the claims it makes, or the accuracy of what "Harry and Louise" said, for that matter.

link

Hmmm, "Nazis"? How right wing!

Obama spokesman Bill Burton responds by defending the mailings.

“Everything in those mailers is completely accurate, unlike the discredited attacks from Hillary Clinton’s negative campaign that have been rejected in South Carolina, Wisconsin, and across America. We look forward to having a debate this Tuesday on the facts, and the facts are that Senator Clinton was a supporter of NAFTA and the China permanent trade treaties until this campaign began. And she herself has said that under the Clinton health care plan, she would consider “going after the wages” of Americans who don't purchase health insurance, whether they can afford it or not."

link

[Johnny__Motown]

15. Prove it, point out a lie. just one please

[lligrd]

5. Hillary Did Say It Was A Boon To The Economy

Perhaps he should have used the word said instead of believed since it is impossible to know what any politician truly believes.

And Obama has consistently opposed NAFTA's inequalities which is what I think they should have said.

The just of the message still stands. Hillary does use NAFTA as part of her accomplishments and experience. There are big problems with NAFTA that Hillary tries to sweep under the rug but that Obama has regularly acknowledged.

[DUyellow]

7. One word for you "Garnish"

[VolcanoJen]

8. That Buckeye State Blog thread is from February 13th.

So why did Hillary stand in front of those cameras in Cincinnati and say that someone in the crowd "just handed her" that mailer?

Am I really expected to believe that her camp hadn't seen the NAFTA mailer yet? She was being terribly misleading during that meltdown, all the more reason why her words induced laughter and cringing, rather than a sense of spontaneous symptathy.

[ProSense]

9. They are not false because Hillary claims they are:

According to news reports, the Clinton campaign lashed out at the use of the mailer in a conference call with selected reporters, complaining that the mail piece bears a resemblance to the "Harry and Louise" TV spots of 1993 and 1994 (pictured here).

One person on the call emotionally said the Obama mail piece was "outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, Illinois." That outburst was quickly disavowed during the call by Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson, who said it is "not a comparison that (the campaign) would make." The unpaid health care adviser who made the remark, Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, later apologized. He sent an e-mail to reporters saying, "My passions overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate."

We agree that there is a resemblance between the photo on the Obama mailer and the TV spots. In those ads actors portraying a white, middle-class couple expressed grave concerns about how the Clinton administration's health care plan would affect them. The ads were part of a $17 million campaign by the insurance industry that was widely credited – rightly or wrongly – with contributing to the defeat of the Clinton plan, and the ads still anger many advocates of broader government efforts to provide health insurance. But so far as we can see, Obama's choice of images in his mailer has nothing whatever to do with the accuracy of the claims it makes, or the accuracy of what "Harry and Louise" said, for that matter.

link

Hmmm, "Nazis"? How right wing!

Obama spokesman Bill Burton responds by defending the mailings.

“Everything in those mailers is completely accurate, unlike the discredited attacks from Hillary Clinton’s negative campaign that have been rejected in South Carolina, Wisconsin, and across America. We look forward to having a debate this Tuesday on the facts, and the facts are that Senator Clinton was a supporter of NAFTA and the China permanent trade treaties until this campaign began. And she herself has said that under the Clinton health care plan, she would consider “going after the wages” of Americans who don't purchase health insurance, whether they can afford it or not."

link

[Johnny__Motown]

10. Every other attack from her has failed miserably, why should anyone think this will be different?

[rodeodance]

12. A REC FOR THE 5

[HeraldSquare212]

16. She did say it was a boon, in a speech in Texas

a few years ago. A union supporting Obama put out a memo that included the quote and others; it was posted here a few days ago.

[mod mom]

17. "Hillary Clinton PRETENDS She Never Praised NAFTA": (READ THIS)

Hillary Clinton Pretends She Never Praised NAFTA
Posted February 14, 2008 | 06:20 PM (EST)

-snip
The Huffington Post has followed along with a laugh-out-loud piece in which the chief architects of NAFTA (many who are now wealthy corporate lawyers and lobbyists) are now saying, no, no, Hillary Clinton was really opposed to it. These are the same people, of course, who are looking for jobs in the Hillary Clinton White House.

What a total joke, really. This campaign clearly thinks we are all just a bunch of fools.

Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region."

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."

-snip
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html


Clinton promoted her husband's trade agenda for years, and friends say that she's a free-trader at heart. ``The simple fact is, nations with free-market systems do better,'' she said in a 1997 speech to the Corporate Council on Africa. ``Look around the globe: Those nations which have lowered trade barriers are prospering more than those that have not.''

Praise for Nafta

At the 1998 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, she praised corporations for mounting ``a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of Nafta.'' She added: ``It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun.''

Clinton ``is committed to free trade and to the growing role of the international economy,'' said Steven Rattner, a Clinton fundraiser and co-founder of Quadrangle Group LLC, a New York buyout firm. ``She would absolutely do the right thing as president.''

There was little evidence of a protectionist tilt to Clinton's trade views during either her 2000 campaign or first years in the Senate. She stressed issues such as homeland security and children's health care, and wasn't a major voice in trade-policy debates.

-snip
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=atUKcP4eSEvY&refer=politics

[AtomicKitten]

19. Too bad she spent so much money on donuts & parking instead of competent strategy.

[emilyg]

20. k/r

Go Hillary.

[Rosemary2205]

21. Huff is from Feb 1st??? - Um today is the 23rd isn't it???

How incompetent is her staff?? Let's hope if elected it doesn't take her 22 days to be just handed a copy of an attack on our country from someone in the crowd rather than knowing about it on day one from her staff.

[redstate_democrat]

24. No. Hillary is a HOPEless liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJ0swdRvYgw">Hillary Clinton: "Nafta has been good for New York and America."

Now what?

[rndmprsn]

26. its a bitch aint it...

if your campaign doesn't like misleading fliers then don't send any out yourself...geez every 3rd grader knows that hillary...duh