Obama LIVE PRESS CONFERENCE from Columbus - CNN Now

[VolcanoJen]

Tune in!

Obama: "I haven't seen the video, but I hear it's pretty exciting." ;-)

[MadBadger]

1. Mailers went out Weeks ago

Thank you.

[blogslut]

6. Yes, they did

She just discovered them now? Don't they tell her anytthing?

[MadBadger]

17. Her campaign raised a stink about it when it came out.

Where was she?

[Adelante]

44. They didn't even tell her she was going broke

If a supporter didn't put the flyer in her hands, who knows when she would have noticed?

[Pirate Smile]

69. I liked his point re did she just find out about this because it isn't new which

makes this attack seem like a tactical response.

[Arkana]

115. Did they really?

That part I didn't know about...so, why is she getting outraged now, I wonder?

[liberalnurse]

2. Trying to spin his lies now!

We got the truth! He needs to apologize! I didn't like getting that crap in my mail box!

[MadBadger]

4. Tear

[K Gardner]

10. Hillary and her supporters couldn't HANDLE the truth if it hit them in the face.

[cali]

please hold your breath, nurse

It ain't gonna happen because he has nothing to apologize for. Now Hilly has had to apologize, hasn't she? Remember that, nurse?

[Mezzo]

59. cali, are you saying Obama has never had to apologize to Hillary?

Google can be your friend.

[tabatha]

18. Nope, everything those mailers stated is true.

[Nedsdag]

60. As the daughter and the graddaughter of nurses, I must say you give nurses a bad name with your

remarks.

Hillary has sent outrageous mailers as well.

Remember Obama being against choice?

Well, you and your minions were responsible for that.

[DEMocracity]

133. I agree with you... she does give nurses a bad name

and that cartoon liberalnurse has as a signature is truly OFFENSIVE.

I don't find it funny in the least to suggest that a health care professional would physically abuse a patient... especially because of money issues. It speaks far worse of health care professionals than insurance companies.

[Nedsdag]

138. Ah, a person of my own heart!

:hug:

[K Gardner]

148. I've been saying the same for some time now, agreed.

[John Q. Citizen]

152. The cartoon always reminds me of Hill's HMO plan from 1993.

[Johnny__Motown]

68. She is clearly the one telling lies here. This went out weeks ago and now she was just handed them.

come on

[mod mom]

79. Here are examples of Hillary PRAISING NAFTA:

Hillary Clinton Pretends She Never Praised NAFTA
Posted February 14, 2008 | 06:20 PM (EST)

-snip
The Huffington Post has followed along with a laugh-out-loud piece in which the chief architects of NAFTA (many who are now wealthy corporate lawyers and lobbyists) are now saying, no, no, Hillary Clinton was really opposed to it. These are the same people, of course, who are looking for jobs in the Hillary Clinton White House.

What a total joke, really. This campaign clearly thinks we are all just a bunch of fools.

Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region."

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."

In her memoir, Clinton wrote, "Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for president in 1996. He couldn't hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill's successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA."

Yes, we are all expected to just forget that, so that Hillary Clinton's campaign can manufacture supposed "outrage" that anyone would say she supported NAFTA - all at a time her chief strategist, Mark Penn, simultaneously heads a firm that is right now pushing to expand NAFTA into South America.



-snip
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html

FROM BLOOMBERG:
Clinton promoted her husband's trade agenda for years, and friends say that she's a free-trader at heart. ``The simple fact is, nations with free-market systems do better,'' she said in a 1997 speech to the Corporate Council on Africa. ``Look around the globe: Those nations which have lowered trade barriers are prospering more than those that have not.''

Praise for Nafta

At the 1998 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, she praised corporations for mounting ``a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of Nafta.'' She added: ``It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun.''

Clinton ``is committed to free trade and to the growing role of the international economy,'' said Steven Rattner, a Clinton fundraiser and co-founder of Quadrangle Group LLC, a New York buyout firm. ``She would absolutely do the right thing as president.''

There was little evidence of a protectionist tilt to Clinton's trade views during either her 2000 campaign or first years in the Senate. She stressed issues such as homeland security and children's health care, and wasn't a major voice in trade-policy debates.

-snip
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=atUKcP4eSEvY&refer=politics




FROM TIME:

SOME FACTS ON CLINTON’S SUPPORT FOR NAFTA:
 
2006/2008: Newsday Reviewed Clinton’s Statements, Concluded She Supported NAFTA. According to a Newsday issues rundown, “Clinton thinks NAFTA has been a boon to the economy.” Newsday wrote in 2008, the word “boon” was their “characterization of how we best understood her position on NAFTA, based on a review of past stories and her public statements.”
 
2003: Hillary Clinton Expounded on Benefits of NAFTA, Calling it An Important Legislative Goal. “Creating a free trade zone in North America—the largest free trade zone in the world—would expand U.S. exports, create jobs and ensure that our economy was reaping the benefits, not the burdens, of globalization. Although unpopular with labor unions, expanding trade opportunities was an important administration goal. The question was whether the White House could focus its energies on two legislative campaigns at once . I argued that we could and that postponing health care would further weaken its chances.”
2003: Clinton Called NAFTA a “Victory” For President Clinton. In her memoir, published in 2003, Clinton wrote, “Senator Dole was genuinely interested in health care reform but wanted to run for President in 1996. He couldn’t hand incumbent Bill Clinton any more legislative victories, particularly after Bill’s successes on the budget, the Brady bill and NAFTA.”
1996: Clinton Said “I Think Everybody Is In Favor Of Free And Fair Trade. I Think NAFTA Is Proving Its Worth.” A questioner pointed out that UNITE opposes the North American Free Trade Agreement, backed by the Clinton administration, on grounds it sends American jobs to Mexico. In March 1996, three years after President Clinton signed NAFTA into law, Hillary Clinton said, “I think everybody is in favor of free and fair trade. I think NAFTA is proving its worth,” she said, adding that if American workers can compete fairly, they can match any competition. “That’s what a free and fair trade agreement like NAFTA is all about,” she said.
 
1996: Clinton “Vowed That Her Husband Would Continue To Support Economic Growth In South Texas Through Initiatives Such As The North American Free Trade Agreement.” AP wrote, “Mrs. Clinton vowed that her husband would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement and the Rio Grande Valley empowerment zone, which allows tax breaks to businesses that relocate to the border.”
1996: Hillary Clinton “Touted” President Clinton’s Support for NAFTA, Saying it Would Reap Widespread Benefit. On a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton “touted the president’s support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region.”
 
 
COMMENTATORS AGREE CLINTON HAS SUPPORTED NAFTA AND FREE TRADE
Sirota: “What A Total Joke” That Clinton Camp Tries to Argue She Did Not Support NAFTA, “Clinton Has Made Statements Unequivocally Trumpeting NAFTA.” In response to Barack Obama’s attack on NAFTA, the Hillary Clinton campaign has gone into meltdown mode…The Huffington Post has followed along with a laugh-out-loud piece in which the chief architects of NAFTA (many who are now wealthy corporate lawyers and lobbyists) are now saying, no, no, Hillary Clinton was really opposed to it. These are the same people, of course, who are looking for jobs in the Hillary Clinton White House. What a total joke, really. This campaign clearly thinks we are all just a bunch of fools. Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread.“
Bloomberg: Clinton “Praised” NAFTA, Friends Said She Was “A Free-Trader at Heart.” Bloomberg News reported, “Clinton promoted her husband’s trade agenda for years, and friends say that she’s a free-trader at heart. ‘The simple fact is, nations with free-market systems do better,” she said in a 1997 speech to the Corporate Council on Africa. ‘Look around the globe: Those nations which have lowered trade barriers are prospering more than those that have not.’ Praise for Nafta At the 1998 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, she praised corporations for mounting ‘a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA.” She added: ‘It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun.’ Clinton ‘is committed to free trade and to the growing role of the international economy,’ said Steven Rattner, a Clinton fundraiser and co-founder of Quadrangle Group LLC, a New York buyout firm. ‘She would absolutely do the right thing as president.’ There was little evidence of a protectionist tilt to Clinton’s trade views during either her 2000 campaign or first years in the Senate. She stressed issues such as homeland security and children’s health care, and wasn’t a major voice in trade-policy debates. As she began to gear up for a White House run, Clinton became less of a free-trade booster and more skeptical about the payoff of globalization.”
Ø Clinton’s NAFTA Rhetoric Is Not Driven By Policy. Bloomberg News reported, “Clinton’s positioning on trade reflects the changing nature of the debate in the U.S., which increasingly focuses on concerns over outsourcing and the shift of jobs to other nations such as China and India rather than on the benefits of tariff reductions. It also — as with Republicans grappling over illegal immigration — demonstrates the extent to which grassroots sentiment can alter candidates’ platforms. A Bloomberg/Los Angeles Times poll conducted in January found 39 percent of Democrats believe free trade hurts the economy; only 18 percent say it is a benefit. Both parties agree that a backlash on trade helped Democrats in the 2006 elections. West Virginia Senator Jay Rockefeller, a Democrat, said U.S. workers have been ‘so decimated’ by unfettered competition that ‘I think the American people understand they will be hit by it.’ Clinton promoted her husband’s trade agenda for years, and friends say that she’s a free-trader at heart.”
 
SF Chronicle: “Add to this Democratic front-runner Sen. Hillary Clinton’s coolness to the idea. Her husband moved earth and sky to win passage of the NAFTA trade pact with Mexico and Canada in 1993. Now she favors periodic reviews to continue such deals, a “timeout” on new ones, and more federal officials to oversee complaints. It’s clearly a flip-flop favor to unions and industry sectors hit by layoffs and cheap imports and bid to outflank her rival, Sen. Barack Obama, who is more favorable to free trade.”
BILL CLINTON CONTINUES TO ARGUE FOR NAFTA
JANUARY 2008: Bill Clinton Says “A Lot Of People Think NAFTA’s A Bigger Problem Than it Is.” During an event in Las Vegas, Clinton said “She believes that NAFTA, she believes that all our trade agreements should be reviewed in the first 90 to 120 days of taking office. She would have a total moratorium on all new trade deals until we conducted a review. And one of the things that we have to examine is the point I made earlier. That is, is the trade agreement basically fair, but we just don’t enforce it. A lot of people think that NAFTA’s a bigger problem than it is. Our problem with Mexico, our trade deficit with Mexico is mostly because we buy oil from them.”

-SNIP
http://thepage.time.com/saturday-obama-campaign-release/

[spotbird]

97. Presidential

vs. histrionic.

Wonder who the voters will respond to?

[shadowknows69]

136. Grow up,

You lunatics are starting to hurt our party now. Please go the fuck away.

[VolcanoJen]

3. "In terms of the two mailers she specifically referred to...

... these are mailers that started going out weeks ago, so I'm puzzled by the sudden change of tone, as if she were just informed of them. So I suspect something tactical is going on here."

That's what I've been sayin'!!

[babylonsister]

She's got nothin', so this is her fallback. nt

[4themind]

16. Might be a plan..

Maybe she's going to show up at the State of the Black union and ask why obama, has time to hastily put together a press conference, but not speak with her in person in NO (not that I agree with this line of thinking, it's just a hypothesis, lol)

[stillcool]

112. Hey VolcanoJen....

is she talking about this stuff?

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET

The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
The ad features a couple at a kitchen table, which some Clinton supporters said was reminiscent of "the famous insurance-industry-financed 'Harry and Louise' ads against the original Clinton plan," as The Politico reports, and Mr. Nichols said it "personally outraged" him. He continued:
It is as outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, ...


----------
Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused. I made unfortunate comments that do not accurately reflect my bipartisan conviction, political philosophy, or most importantly, my opinions about Senator Obama and his historic campaign for the United States presidency."

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

[VolcanoJen]

130. Isn't it funny how she's acting like she's only, just today, seen the flyer?

That's the most disingenuous part. Glad to see Obama nailed her on that one.

[Ravy]

151. Maybe she just wants the media to start doing their job.

Obama needs to be vetted a lot more. And better to do it before it is all over and the republicans do it.

If he handles it and if his record does stand up to the scrutiny, then great. He will be a much better candidate.

[K Gardner]

5. He wonders why she got so "Exercised".. or is it EXORCISED ? lol

[The River]

50. Exercised Has Many Defintions

Websters definition #13. to worry; make uneasy; annoy......

...as in why is she so worked up about the mailers?

God it will be nice to have a literate nominee / President.

[scheming daemons]

7. "I believe her getting excited today was tactical.."

[NDambi]

39. Yep..these mailers are not new

[Maven]

8. Lying about his own mailer - it's "accurate"

You can make statements that are individually "accurate" and still mislead people.

[scheming daemons]

12. Are the statements individually accurate or not?

If so... not a lie.

If not, prove it.

[Maven]

22. No, it's called intellectual dishonesty.

You can use statements that are themselves "accurate" and leave out information to create an overall impression that is false.

[Mass]

37. Something the Clintons do very well, unfortunately for all of us.

We would not be in this mess if Bill was not a master. We would have an Al Gore presidency.

Now, can you tell us what is misleading in the mailers? At least what is more misleading than the average Hillary's mailers or robocalls?

[Maven]

54. Actually, it was probably a mistake for Gore to leave Clinton out of his campaign entirely.

But way to change the subject. A+.

[Mass]

I have no issue with the mailer. I live in MA and know this is exactly what happens.

So, too bad if you cannot accept the truth. Continue to whine.

For the rest, it is you who introduced the notion of intellectual dishonesty. For a Clinton supporter, it is somewhat surprising.

[Maven]

82. Continue to espouse the same "flexible" view of truth we've seen for the last 8 years.

For a supposed Democrat, somewhat surprising.

[Mass]

92. Do you mean the last 15 years? (or make that the last 27 years...)

I find Obama surprisingly refreshing after all that. And my view is not flexible. The MA model of healthcare is not as great as you think. A lot of people will pass thru the net even of it has a mandate, because the only way for it to work is to garnish wages of people who cannot afford it. Otherwise, the mandate does not work.

[XemaSab]

105. I heard it was the other way around

I heard Bill was too busy working on Hillary's campaign to work on Gore's, and Gore was really PISSED about it.

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/11/clinton200711

[dansolo]

135. Depends on what the meaning of "is" is

[calmblueocean]

25. What's misleading? Hill supports NAFTA and has suggested garnishing wages.

She ought to stand up for her own beliefs rather than crying foul when someone calls her on them.

And I like Hil.

[Whisp]

124. apparently that's right in her book!

wish I had a copy to scan and send out to the youtubes or as mailers to distribute in Ohio.

[ProSense]

It's accurate!

According to news reports, the Clinton campaign lashed out at the use of the mailer in a conference call with selected reporters, complaining that the mail piece bears a resemblance to the "Harry and Louise" TV spots of 1993 and 1994 (pictured here).

One person on the call emotionally said the Obama mail piece was "outrageous as having Nazis march through Skokie, Illinois." That outburst was quickly disavowed during the call by Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson, who said it is "not a comparison that (the campaign) would make." The unpaid health care adviser who made the remark, Len Nichols of the New America Foundation, later apologized. He sent an e-mail to reporters saying, "My passions overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate."

We agree that there is a resemblance between the photo on the Obama mailer and the TV spots. In those ads actors portraying a white, middle-class couple expressed grave concerns about how the Clinton administration's health care plan would affect them. The ads were part of a $17 million campaign by the insurance industry that was widely credited – rightly or wrongly – with contributing to the defeat of the Clinton plan, and the ads still anger many advocates of broader government efforts to provide health insurance. But so far as we can see, Obama's choice of images in his mailer has nothing whatever to do with the accuracy of the claims it makes, or the accuracy of what "Harry and Louise" said, for that matter.

link

Is Hillary saying anything about the "Nazis" comment?

The NYT just reported the source of the misleading claim, Newday, issued a response:

(Reporters from Newsday responded on its Web site last week, but stopped short of a correction. “The word was our characterization of how we best understood her position on NAFTA, based on a review of past stories and her public statements,” they wrote, adding that the Obama mailer made the word ‘boon” appear to be Mrs. Clinton’s statement. “Obama’s use of the citation in this way does strike us as misleading,” they wrote.)

link

Here is Newsday's correction:

The Democratic campaign has moved in earnest to Ohio, where times are tough and NAFTA has become a dirty word. In an effort to score points, Barack Obama has been dropping a mail-piece (left) that repeats a charge he has made several other times during the campaign -- that "Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was 'a boon' to the economy."

This attack has attracted a flurry of attention, from Clinton's campaign and some reporters. As it turns out, the primary source is us. Back in Sept. 2006, an abbreviated chart printed on Newsday's Spin Cycle page compared Hillary with her Democratic US Senate primary challenger Jonathan Tasini on a variety of issues. The issues chart included this:

<...>

Obama's use of the citation in this way does strike us as misleading. The quote marks make it look as if Hillary said "boon," not us. It's an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try to win an office.

That said, we should have been clearer.

link

[Rageneau]

9. Anybody have the disputed mailers or their text, so we can see who's telling the truth?

Or do we need to know the facts before we make up our minds what we think?

[Maven]

11. Here's the one on health care:

http://www.ohiodailyblog.com/content/second-obama-mailer-slams-clinton-health-care-plan

[MethuenProgressive]

48. Yup, he's lying in the Karl Rove style mass mailing.

The only person who will be "forced" will be someone who needs it, who can afford it, who refuses to buy it, and who wants the taxpayers to pick up his tab. Obama's defending the deadbeat's right to live off the taxpayer? Screw that.

[jillan]

83. Thank you!

grrrr!

[VolcanoJen]

13. So-called "Harry & Louise" mailer here:

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/harry_louise_again.html

It's been around since at least February 4th. FactCheck takes Obama's side on this one.

Edit: Actually I think the poster just above me is the more current, Ohio version of the flyer.

[Rageneau]

33. Thank you both. Reading now.

[sandnsea]

56. Here's more details

http://thepage.time.com/saturday-obama-campaign-release/

[AX10]

14. Spin liar, Spin, Spin!

[EFerrari]

20. That liar is your next president. n/t

[AX10]

31. Just like Bush, Obama will NEVER be my President.

[tabatha]

40. But Hillary is the liar.

[EFerrari]

74. Wow. What is the problem, exactly? There's barely any light

between their policy positions at all.

And you accuse other people of being extreme.

lol

[my3boyz]

98. Neither will Hillary. LOL

[spotbird]

118. Unlike Hillary, he will serve as President

and unlike Bush, he'll be elected.

It's too bad that you'll have to live for another eight years with a President you don't like, fortunately for the world, Obama is an honest man.

[Faygo Kid]

120. I look forward to you being outta here on March 5.

Your posts grow ever more strident and tiresome.

You could try being less obvious and more clever, but it really won't matter much longer.

[Skip Intro]

150. ding ding ding

right there with ya, AX10

[Forkboy]

145. Yerah, but you'll vote for McCain so who gives a shit what you think?

[Tatiana]

I think he is handling this pretty well.

"Nothing in there is factually inaccurate."

Brings up her characterization of his health care plan as "leaving 15 million people out."

[tabatha]

21. The leaving 15 million people out is a lie by Clinton.

[lligrd]

15. He Seems So Composed, Almost Presidential

Compare that to the video of Hillary.

[JimGinPA]

19. "Nothing Factually Inaccurate"

:applause:

[tabatha]

27. Well, if nothing else,

this will be discussed for the next week on TV - and then we'll see who is the liar.

Hillary will regret this.

[Drunken Irishman]

23. Now answering questions on McCain and Nader. Man, he looks so presidential.

[LadyVT]

24. He is not convincing: too many eyeblinks and too many hesitations.

[lligrd]

35. Oh Yeah, The Bad Vibes Again

You guys are too funny.

[scheming daemons]

That's your next president, Lady... treat him with more respect...

...

[LadyVT]

109. He won't be my President.

[XemaSab]

110. You ever been on TV

Those lights are BRIGHT and you are on THE RECORD.

It's hard to think when you're on the spot like that.

[carlotta]

26. Stutter much?

He really doesn't do well unscripted.

[MadBadger]

29. Oh my, you are quite sad.

[Maddy McCall]

It's undeniable. It's hard to follow him.

[Whisp]

85. No it isn't. He's not hard to follow.

this is why the Queen is not amused.

[goclark]

100. Gee, millions all over the world can understand him

He sure is speaking clearly to millions.

[Forkboy]

146. No, it really isn't. And you're smart enough to know better.

[tabatha]

34. I see you like the slick and non genuine.

[VolcanoJen]

36. ROFL

:rofl:

[tyne]

47. What will be "news"

is the fake "sudden" outrage...scripted.

[powergirl]

28. The press is more interested in talking to Obama than pursuing Sen. Clinton's complaints

They are asking him about McCain, Nader, selling sodas in school, etc. Maybe they will ask him for a blueberry pie recipe next! I support Obama and it's working out that the press supports him - for now. I know it will change but I want to enjoy a winning candidate for a change.

GO OBAMA!!! :woohoo:

[Tatiana]

58. That's exactly what I thought. They want to know more about him.

Seems like they might think he could be the next President.

[Maddy McCall]

30. He surely stutters and stammers a lot when not scripted.

[NJSecularist]

38. Is that all the Hillbots have?

Criticizing a press conference about him stuttering?

[Maddy McCall]

It's a fair observation. It's difficult to follow him because of the stammering.

[NJSecularist]

53. He is not as good as he is in scripted speeches

But if you have followed the progression of debates, he is getting much better when being put on the spot.

It just seems desperate to criticize him for that, when it looks like he has had absolutely no sleep in a while.

[Alamom]

43. He's never done well off the cuff. nm

[Omphaloskepsis]

141. It's almost like he is taking the time to carefully choose the words he wants to use.

I think that is a good thing.

[Forkboy]

147. And Hillary is shrill.

Want to focus on something important now?

[pdxmom]

32. Evidently, the press doesn't think the Clinton outbursts are that big a

deal, because he's just not being asked about it.

[VolcanoJen]

46. They're interested in asking the next President about important policy matters.

Looks like the Ohio media isn't so interested in glorifying Hillary's meltdown of earlier. :-)

[my3boyz]

104. I noticed that too! LOL They wanted to ask about other things. LOL

[MadBadger]

41. "If they want a pop"

You midwesterner.

[VolcanoJen]

49. Ha ha!!!

I call it "pop" too, of course. :-)

[Johnny__Motown]

57. Most of the country uses "pop" not "soda"

I have lived in New York, Ohio and Colorado as well as Michigan

In my experience the majority of the country says "pop"

[Shakespeare]

77. Been down south much?

You won't find either of those used very often. Everything is generically referred to as a Coke.

[Jane Austin]

144. "Do you want a Coke?"

"Yes, thanks - an RC, please."

:)

[chascarrillo]

107. County by count map

http://tastyresearch.wordpress.com/2006/10/05/pop-vs-soda-vs-coke/

I think "pop" can be characterized as strongly midwestern.

[Greyskye]

113. not my experience

I've lived in Oregon, New Mexico, Virgina and California.

My recollection is of 'soda' in all of those places, not 'pop'. It appears to be a geographic difference. :shrug:

[blonndee]

127. I'm a New Mexico native and at least in my part of the state nearly everyone says coke

for every kind of pop/soda. Older folks tend to say "pop," though.

Example:

Question: Do you have any cokes?
Answer: Yeah, I have Dr. Pepper, Coke, and Pepsi. What kind do you want?

At a restaurant, if you say, "Oh, and I think I want a coke with my meal," lots of times the order-taker will indeed ask you what kind.

I know this thread isn't about that, but I think it's fun to talk about regional differences in slang and other uses of language.

[TexasLady]

139. Actually my Mother in Law

From Minnesota pronounces it 'pap' to my southern, soda/coke ears, lol.

[stillcool]

143. When I first moved to Boston...

it was 'tonic'. I haven't heard that one for a while though.

[Whisp]

watch that word 'pop' twisted into something sinister.

'Pop? what's pop? he must be talking about his drug addled crack selling days when he was 6!'

New Clinton campaign slogan: How Low Can We Go?

[democrattotheend]

42. Good thing he already won Iowa

Otherwise dissing corn syrup would be a big no-no.

Why the hell is he getting asked about soda machines in schools? That's not something the president of the United States decides!

[TexasObserver]

45. Well ... Hillary just said "enough with speeches and big crowds!" So Obama uses a presser!!

And he's going great!!

[jenmito]

80. I better not see her in front of ANY big crowds. (Somehow I bet I won't, but I'm sure she

WISHES she could get such large crowds and give such good speeches!)

[TexasObserver]

132. Unless Obama is there, she won't have any big crowds.

She's really coming off belligerent and a sore, sore loser.

[jenmito]

137. I agree.

:hi:

[TexasObserver]

51. Mama said KNOCK YOU OUT!!

Thanks, LL Cool J, for that song and line.

Very appropriate for Obama's ending line, about when Hillary will leave the race.

[BeyondGeography]

55. "I'm the upstart; I can't win on points."

That was perfect.

[TexasObserver]

64. I am continually amazed at how good he is, and this presser was GOLDEN.

he's the DUDE

[Johnny__Motown]

62. PLAGIARISM, oh wait. you gave credit... nevermind

[TexasObserver]

67. hahaha! LL Cool J said I could use it. We talk all the time!!

It was so perfect, I had to use it.

[Johnny__Motown]

75. I like it too, just had to point it out

[TexasObserver]

93. I know. I just thought you might be trying to catch me ridin' dirty.

ha! let's see how many know that song!!

--------------------------------------

for other peeps ....


It's Chamillionaire, folks. Look it up on youtube and learn what it means!!

[LadyVT]

111. domestic violence isn't funny; bad choice of words

[scheming daemons]

52. LOL... paraphrasing. "she's the champ, and has to be knocked out"... love it....

...

[monmouth]

61. He's not stuttering, he parses his words carefully so as not to make gaffes...n/t

[michaz]

70. Exactly, he thinks before he speaks.

[Glimmer of Hope]

90. Yeah- I think he talks about his speaking style in one of his books.

[boston bean]

63. it was painful to watch. boy he can give a good speech but at press conferences he can barely speak

[JimGinPA]

76. I Guess It Was Painful To Watch Her Get Slapped Down With Velvet Gloves

:rofl:

[LadyVT]

116. Stop with applauding his violent analogy!!!

[Whisp]

129. what violent analogy, what are you talking about? nt

[Guava Jelly]

65. He came off as human.

It was a great conference

[kennetha]

84. He was barely articulate and incoherent

Plus the press just lobbed soft-ball questions at him and didn't press him at all. You could see first hand how in the tank they are for him. It was truly disgusting.

[michaz]

102. Did you want him to shriek like she did? He was calm, which was a great contrast to Hillary!n/t

[Tess99]

126. Goodness, think of the clips on the evening news

She's gonna look like a raving lunatic and he's gonna be a cool as a cucumber. What was she thinking going out there like that? Who told her to put on the angry hat? Obama is just so cool and laid back, a typical guy from Hawaii. Did they think he'd come back at her with an angry agitated manner? He's never like that. So I don't see how they thought sending "angry" Hillary out there as opposed to the "I'm so honored, honored" Hillary was a good idea.

[Guava Jelly]

119. Whatever

I call

[TexasObserver]

134. hahahaha! When desperation turns funny!!

[Forkboy]

149. So what's your excuse?

[michaz]

66. I hate to say this but...at this rate I would never be able to pull her lever in the general electio

I am not sure I could be that much of a hypocrite.

[TexasObserver]

73. In that RED dress and RED Republican talk, I thought it was Lynne Cheney!!

Jesus, she's gone completely off her rocker.

[GarbagemanLB]

140. I made that decision the moment her campaign called Obama a plagiarizer.Obama or 3rd party this year

[powergirl]

71. Well, that didn't take long

Obama has that quiet elegance in diffusing her complaints. It is a striking contrast to Sen. Clinton's reaction. What irks me, is I hate it when female politicians and business women say things like "shame on you." It makes us women look like whiners. She's bigger than this.

[scheming daemons]

91. "She's bigger than this."

No... she really isn't.

[powergirl]

94. Just hopin'

I hear you daemons - I'm trying to dig deep and give her some credit. But you may be right. :(

But I'm voting for Obama !!!!

[XemaSab]

123. A while ago I posted something about her running an anti-feminist campaign

and I really believe it. I think she's put the women's movement back about 20 years. :(

[powergirl]

142. I agree completely

I hate it when women politicians and professionals, cry in public and say stuff like "shame on you." It makes the rest of us women look like a bunch of wimps. Women have to go out of their way to be tough and suck it up in this country. It's not right or fair but it is a fact. It does set us back and wish she would get a hold of herself. I do support Obama and I don't hate Clinton. But Clinton's time was in the nineties. Obama's time is now.

[sniffa]

72. My god, they're replaying her mailer thing on CNN

She's sounds angry, and scary.

[TexasObserver]

78. Hillary is out of money and can't buy TV time, so she's using attacks to get air time.

[EFerrari]

81. She's out now. I hope we can expect her to withdraw in the next week.

What a harpy she is at bottom. Christ, she just put back the womens' movement about fifty years.

[XemaSab]

125. Up above I said 20 years

I gave her a little more credit than you did. ;)

[EFerrari]

131. That's because you're a better person than I am.

:)

[BeyondGeography]

88. The worst part was when she screamed, "and he sent those flyers to

Ohio, and Texas, and Idaho, and Utah, and Nebraska, and Washington, and Wisconsin, and Iowa, and Georgia, and Virginia, and..."

[powergirl]

99. Well, where in TARNATION does she expect him to send them fliers???

It's a campaign, duh.

[sniffa]

103. YEEEEAAARRRGGH

[BeyondGeography]

106. And those flyers are going to send him all the way to the White House!

[powergirl]

89. That piece of video is making me cringe

I feel bad for Sen. Clinton. I know in her heart that she wants to help the American people. But as unfair as it is, it's not her time to run for president. And for most of us, that time never happens. The moment belongs to Obama and he will win. Sen. Clinton needs to present herself as the senior stateswoman she is.

[thevoiceofreason]

86. He SHUT HER UP.

A beautiful trial tactic. Jazz with your opponent with facts until they have a come-apart in front of the judge and jury. Then look at the judgeand jury and say "I realize the facts hurt, but I can only present the facts." Brilliant. Very even-tone and timbre in his voice.

I rate it a 9.2

[TexasObserver]

101. She intended to start this and not have it answered until the debate.

Now, her plan is dashed, and she's going to have to play defense on the presser she gave earlier.

He's just better than her, and she can pull out every Rovian trick her braindead trust can come up with, and he's going to knock it down.

[eleny]

87. She went out on a limb and the limb snapped

I remember how in a recent debate she defended her health plan's being mandatory. She compared that necessity to how Social Security has to be mandatory to be able to work.

As for NAFTA - she was a champion of it. Her husband campaigned on it to placate the Republican voters out there. If anyone has a video clip of her saying she will repeal NAFTA, please post the link.

[Rageneau]

96. And she and then limb came down and landed on Obama. Hard.

I think her comments today kicked ass, and I think his response was weak and even whiny sometimes.

What will count in this dispute are the facts. Was he lying or was she?

[eleny]

108. But you can't refute my points on NAFTA and her mandatory health plan

If you watched the debates of the past you also remember her defending her mandatory health plan. She ought to be defending her positions - not lying about them.

Nothing landed on Obama hard. From his press conference it appears to me that her tantrum of today only made her look awful. Meantime, he remains cool as a cucumber.

[Tess99]

95. Okay, that was a great press conference

When he said "the champ has to be knocked out", that was so cool.

But the best thing was that the press seemed to not even care about Hillary's rant!!! They wanted to talk about soda! OMG! That allowed him to talk about being a kid who loved Mountain Dew and also showed off his parenting skills! Glad to know he and Michelle aren't strict with the sweets. When you cut kids off from junk food, they just want it more. It was cool to see he knows that letting his kids have some ice cream or soda isn't gonna hurt them

[workinclasszero]

114. Hillary LOVES NAFTA!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/hillary-clinton-pretends-_b_86747.html


Hillary Clinton Pretends She Never Praised NAFTA



Hillary Clinton has made statements unequivocally trumpeting NAFTA as the greatest thing since sliced bread. The Buffalo News reports that back in 1998, Clinton attended the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, and thanked praised corporations for mounting "a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of NAFTA." Yes, you read that right: She traveled to Davos to thank corporate interests for their campaign ramming NAFTA through Congress.

On November 1, 1996, United Press International reported that on a trip to Brownsville, Texas, Clinton "touted the president's support for the North American Free Trade Agreement, saying it would reap widespread benefits in the region."

The Associated Press followed up the next day noting that Hillary Clinton touted the fact that "the president would continue to support economic growth in South Texas through initiatives such as the North American Free Trade Agreement."

[eleny]

122. Yup and what did we get from NAFTA? ...

The giant sucking sound of U.S. jobs leaving the country - as Ross Perot predicted in 1992.

It's not Obama's fault that she embraced NAFTA.

[IndianaGreen]

153. Here is a debate video from last year in which Hillary laughed off NAFTA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBypp2hqxaQ

In the video above, you will find a very short clip I put together after tonight's Democratic presidential debate. Please forward the link on to as many folks as you can. Regardless of which candidate you support, you will likely find this video truly stunning. This was by far the most insulting comment of the evening - and likely the one that will come back and haunt Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.

Really, what an offensive statement Clinton made to the millions of American and Mexican workers who lost their jobs and saw their wages destroyed thanks to NAFTA - a deal pushed by the Clinton administration (for some more data on NAFTA, see this report from the Economic Policy Institute). You want to talk about showing how utterly out of touch you are, that's how you do it - you laugh and say you barely remember the debate over the very trade deal that is destroying America's middle class. And then after you stop laughing, you go to the Senate floor to vote to expand NAFTA, as Clinton says she's going to in the next few weeks.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/video-clinton-thinks-naf_b_72948.html

[MadBadger]

117. When will she understand, people like her when she shows emotion, not when she gets angry.

[JimGinPA]

121. It Will Take Until Mar. 3rd For More Tears To Form nt

[mythyc]

128. does anybody ahve a link to the press conference?

i can't find it...