The white male test

[MeDeMax]

(on edit, added the last appeal)
(this is not an attack on white males, please read below)

This year, to have a sense of objectivity in the primary, and perhaps the general election, voters have to ask themselves:

• Would I support senator Clinton if she were a white male ?
  
• Would I support senator Obama if he were a white male ?

Let's take a look at sen. Clinton :

• Voted for the war and does not acknowledge she made a mistake.
  
• Has had a huge lobbyist funded election war chest, those contributions aren't FREE.
  
• Will mandate health insurance for everyone, pharma & health insurance companies and their lobbyists have made huge donations.
  
• Has supported every Free Trade Agreement since she came to Washington.
  
• She enjoys BIG TIME funding support from AIPAC, so much for the hope of middle eastern peace during her presidency.
  
• Refuses a timetable for withdrawal.
  
• She unifies the right like no one else, even Mccain with his spotty conservative record will enjoy full GOP support against her.

If we set aside for a second the historic step forward we would take from having a woman President, would you support this candidate if he were a white male ?


Now, let's take a look at sen. Obama :

• Spoke out against going to war and has not wavered.
  
• Has refused all corporate & lobbyist money.
  
• Will try & cover everyone, but does not mandate it.
  
• Has promised to restructure NAFTA so it is fairer to American workers.
  
• I have no idea if he is supported by AIPAC.
  
• I do know the Islamic countries will listen to him, because of his exposure to their ways and his willingness to engage.
  
• Has given us a timetable for withdrawal (December 2009).
  
• He will unify the racists who can't stand the idea of a black becoming a president.

If we set aside for a second the historic step forward we would take from having a black President, would you support this candidate if he were a white male ?


In a word, what I am begging the voters to do is:

• Don't vote for Hillary just because she is a woman.
  
• Don't NOT vote for Barack just because he is black.

I rest my case...

[tritsofme]

1. White male for Clinton right here.

I guess the test works.

[Metric System]

2. It's interesting how you only post negative points about Hillary while providing nothing but

positive points about Barack. And you wonder why we call him Saint Obama?

[Iris]

5. It's a trend.

Have you seen the Obama email comparing his apples to Hillary's oranges? It's priceless.

[Sara Bradi]

15. darn, didn't see that one, do you have a link ? nt

[Dogmudgeon]

8. And his Obama positives are patently false, too

No corporate or PAC involvement? Check the FEC website.

http://www.fec.gov/

Yes, Obama fans, you can dig up shit on The Evil One as well!

Obama votes for all the Iraq war funding ... supports NAFTA ... opposes impeachment ... but only Hillary has to justify her positions.

Oh, well; that's politics.

--p!

[yourguide]

11. Hey

check the SOURCE of the contributions...HRC has taken over $1,000,000 in pac money

HRC:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00000019&cycle=2008

Obama

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/summary.asp?id=N00009638&cycle=2008

Wake up.

[Sara Bradi]

12. Not funding troops during a WAR is very irresponsible nt

[hfojvt]

13. not sure what I am looking for

I find this for Obama

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+P80003338

$7,940 from PACs returned $7925. So I guess he is dirty by $15

then I find this for Hillary

http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/cancomsrs/?_08+P00003392

$1.079 million from PACs, refunded $34,400.

So what am I missing, because I could spend days searching that site probably?

[hfojvt]

9. "George W. Bush IS a saint"

"Compared to Dick Cheney"

[Bright Eyes]

3. "would you support this candidate if he were a white male ?"

No, I would not.

[Sara Bradi]

26. which one ?

[Bright Eyes]

28. I was refering to Hillary Clinton. NT

[Thrill]

4. White male and will vote for Obama

Obama's color has nothing to do with me voting for him. And for the record. He is 50% white and 50% black. Best of both worlds in my opinion

[Thrill]

6. Deleted

[quantass]

7. I'd still vote Obama if he were White Male or White Female

He just seems better than Clinton in his policy and his delivery...and this has nothign to do with his being mixed or hilary being a woman...Regardless of Hilary's current evil tactics in the news i still like all three candidates: Obama, Hilary, and Edwards...

[Sara Bradi]

14. I like Edwards, but I like Obama better nt

[Sara Bradi]

10. NO & YES

I couldn't support Clinton's record no matter what race and gender, and I consider myself progressive and willing to "MOVEON" .

And YES, I fully support any candidate with Obamas' positions.

[jackson_dem]

20. You "couldn't support" Clinton but "fully support" Obama

How does that work since they have the same views, policies, ideology?

[Sara Bradi]

22. I keep hearing that over & over, it is just not true...

There are significant substantive differences in their views, ideology & policies. Barack brings his own brand of problem solving to Washington, Hillary is trying to fit into a populist theme.

or are you getting your talking points from Fox & CNN ?

[jackson_dem]

25. And those differences are...?

Obama being to the right of her on health care, trade, and education?

[Sara Bradi]

31. that is a vague remark, right of me & left of you ???

[LadyVT]

16. White men are overwhelmingly supporting Obama

[apocalypsehow]

And that observation is apropos of.....what?

n/t

[Sara Bradi]

23. In fairness to Hillary, in the case of white men who support Obama...

the appeal should be "Don't NOT vote for Hillary because of what Bill did" :-)

[anamandujano]

17. Takes lobby money, keeps voting to fund the war, will move the

war to Pakistan, just for openers.

You made a few mistakes.

[MeDeMax]

24. you don't send troops to war and then NOT fund the war...

that is not rocket science to understand.

I am sorry if you think it is okay to cut off funding and leave them starving in the dessert.

[Sara Bradi]

27. my thoughts exactly nt

[Forkboy]

18. White male who has little use for either of them.

Have fun with that people. :)

[jackson_dem]

19. Wow, so many inaccuracies in there

Is this from the Obama campaign?

Clinton

Voted for the war and does not acknowledge she made a mistake
--She has
Has had a huge lobbyist funded election war chest, those contributions aren't FREE.
--Obama has as much corporate support as her
Will mandate health insurance for everyone, pharma & health insurance companies and their lobbyists have made huge donations.
--As of 2007--before he raised $82 million in the first two months of 2008--Obama was #1 in drug company money and #2 overall in health industry dough
Has supported every Free Trade Agreement since she came to Washington.
--Total fabrication. Her record on trade is better than Obama's. This is why Obamites love to attack, attack, attack her on trade but never engage in an honest, substantive comparison of the two on trade.
She enjoys BIG TIME funding support from AIPAC, so much for the hope of middle eastern peace during her presidency.
--So does Obama
Refuses a timetable for withdrawal.
--She as exactly the same position on Iraq as Obama
She unifies the right like no one else
--Every opposition party nominee "unifies" the other party. Is Obama immune to what has been happening since Jefferson vs. Adams?

Obama

# Spoke out against going to war and has not wavered.
--He has wavered. He voted consistently to fund the war and refused a timetable for withdrawal until, yes!, he began running for president. He voted against Kerry-Feingold.
Has refused all corporate & lobbyist money.
-- :rofl:
Will try & cover everyone, but does not mandate it.
--Except that mandates it for parents and said he "may" mandate it for adults, although he hides that now.
Has promised to restructure NAFTA so it is fairer to American workers.
--So has Hillary. The difference? Hillary will review all trade agreements. Obama will only review NAFTA.
# I have no idea if he is supported by AIPAC.
--Where were you during the Israel-Lebanon war?
I do know the Islamic countries will listen to him, because of his exposure to their ways and his willingness to engage.
--Get real. They won't care that he lived in Indonesia for a few years. They may actually hate him more because under Islamic doctrine he is an "apostate." The penalty for that in Islam? Death.
He will unify the racists who can't stand the idea of a black becoming a president
--And? Hillary will unify sexists

The irony is the "white male test" you posted would lead, objectively, to supporting Edwards but he wasn't "historic" enough for many Democrats. Suckers...

[EndElectoral]

21. In all fairness, while she supported NAFTA in the 90's, she voted against CAFTA.

[EffieBlack]

29. A more telling question: would you have voted for any of the last 10 presidents if they were black?

[Sara Bradi]

30. I should hope so, may be less sure the farther we go back nt