As an Obama supporter who has never liked Hillary, I think DU today is excessive

[HamdenRice]

I've read the words, "bitch," "nag," "unhinged," "hysterical" and "lying bitch" used to describe Hillary today -- and I wasn't even reading closely.

I have never thought Hillary was a good choice for national office, but I think that maybe DU has gone overboard in Hillary bashing. Rationally speaking, she is not our best candidate. But she is not a monster, a bitch or any of some of the other things that are being said about her.

I would even go so far as to say she should stay in the race -- if she avoids going negative. A few times this campaign, usually when she was on the ropes, she seemed for a change, to actually speak from her heart.

Voters in states that have not voted yet should have the right to make a choice. I hope Hillary stays in the race, focuses on the issues and helps elucidate our policy choices going forward, avoids going negative, and, with the pressure of "winning" lessened, speaks from her heart.

Then I hope she goes back to being a New York senator, and that the Clintons stop trying to dominate and manipulate Democratic politics.

Bill can still make a great, if quiet, ex-president, and Hillary can make a fine junior senator from New York state.

[BeyondGeography]

1. She doesn't deserve the name-calling, nor does she deserve to stay in the race

after March 4 if she loses either OH or TX.

We don't need her and McCain tag-teaming our nominee. She says she wants unity, she should start to seek it after March 4 if the results warrant it.

[redstate_democrat]

25. Yeah

I understand all of that. People shouldn't be denigrating our own candidates by calling them either a "bitch" or a "scumbag". But ya know, it works both ways. I haven't been on this site long, but I read many things from supposed "democrats" about Obama that have shocked me. Then to also hear these SAME attacks coming from the Clintons? Well, that is a little hard to swallow. She has thrown everything but the kitchen sink at this guy. They have jumped on every single Republican attack aimed at him and have tried to exploit it for her own good. She should be denouncing these things in public because there is a CHANCE he might be the nominee. But does she? No. So I think that is where a lot of the anger stems from. Her seemingly obtuseness about the reality on the ground. People just aren't buying this thing. It is like she is trying to force feed us. She doesn't believe we are being rational. She doesn't believe we are seeing the "reality of things". We are somehow deluded by pretty talk and such because we don't support her. It's just a bunch of "Obamakiddies" and "Obamamites" who are supporting Barack. This insults our intelligence. I am a grown ass woman who has been in the work world since the age of 15. I am a mother. I am a working mother. How dare she and her supporters insinuate that I am so naive and ignorant that I could be "brainwashed" into voting one way or another. But I don't agree with the term "bitch" being used to refer to any woman, no matter how low she is.

[HamdenRice]

29. Well said! I understand the source of the anger -- her campaign nt

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[blonndee]

11. Again: CRAP!!!

Why are you acting like an effing freeper?
YOU neither have nor deserve any "grace." I'm no Hillary fan, but I certainly don't have to or care to resort to sexist, degrading terms to describe her. That's weak, ignorant, and degrades you as well.

(Sorry to the OP, I don't know what happened. Message board ghoulies?)

[babylonsister]

3. This doesn't excuse it, but is what DUers were responding to, in

case you missed it:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=96648&mesg_id=96648

[Rageneau]

4. As a Hillary supporter, I think the bashing of her today at DU is about par for the course.

[Captain Hilts]

39. I actually thought the bashing was MORE civilized today. nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. I noticed it is a bunch of newcomers from both sides that are promoting

these sexist and racist arguments when they can't argue on facts and the issues.

I don't miss Mr. Benchley though, if you remember him.

[dailykoff]

6. Watch the clip.

Then you'll get it. :)

[arcos]

10. I watched the clip, and I don't get it...

:shrug:

[dailykoff]

17. I don't remember ever hearing that tone used in a US campaign

except in movies. It's especially disturbing as it was used by a Dem against a fellow Dem, technically anyway.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I Don't Get It

I'm glad you are fond of those terms...

It tells me all I need to know about your bigoted azz...

[dailykoff]

19. Yes I can see that.

:hi:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

30. I'm Catching On Slowly

If somebody does something I don't like it gives me the right to strip him or her of their humanity and attribute their actions to their race, gender, religion, ethnic group, or sexual orientation...

Right...

[cali]

50. coming from someone who compared Obama to the worst of

20th century murderous despots, and his supporters to their followers, the hypocrisy of you statement is rich. You certainly are practicing cognitive dissonance to the max.

[arcos]

7. K&R...

I saw the video, and I don't get what the fuzz is all about. It is politics, she was attacking Obama, in the same way politicians usually attack each other. There wasn't anything particularly crazy or unhinged about what she said or how she said it.

And I still don't like Hillary... :shrug:

[ksquire]

36. Many of us think that "politicians acting normally" is not a particularly high standard.

America can do better.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

8. We all need to keep our eyes on the goal, taking the country

back from the republicans.

[Cha]

9. With all due respect Hamdon..

I think what hilary did on tv today was excessive.

[HamdenRice]

15. We can agree she was indeed excessive

but that doesn't make her out to be a monster, nor justify some of the sexist and very personal attacks on her.

[Cha]

34. I agree..there're ways to descibe how

we feel about hilary being excessive today in Ohio without demeaning ourselves. On the whole I think Obama's DU supporters did a very excellent job of using humor to disfuse hilary's vitrol.

[emilyg]

42. 2 l's in Hillary.

[Ichingcarpenter]

20. I do too but, I wasn't surprised

the numbers do not look good in Texas, Mark Penn needs to
earn his keep and she is on the ropes. It was an attack that
I think will not play well on the Youtubes in the days that come.

There is too much ammo she just gave the opposition and it
will not be pretty.

[Cha]

33. But, why are they so freakin'

tone deaf? Just our luck?

[samdogmom]

12. Are you kidding? People on DU have actually used these terms?

WOW! I've been checking in and out all day. I haven't seen any of these derogatory terms used. If they have been, there is simply no excuse! Despicable! (And I'm an Obama fan.)

[Catherine Vincent]

13. It's been that way here for the longest time.

Thanks for finally seeing it.

[bunnies]

14. Hillary today was excessive.

I dont condone the name-calling Ive seen around here, but I do think her freak-out warrants a strong reaction. It is, after all, what she wanted.

[Catherine Vincent]

18. Freak-out?

:eyes:

[Forkboy]

21. K&R for some rational thinking!

Of course, DU can be excessive everyday. :)

[ErnestoG]

22. "Unhinged" is not a gender specific criticism. No matter HOW loud the Hillars get about it.

It's a little tiresome to see them still trying to peddle that snake oil.

[NDambi]

51. Thanks..when I posted the "unhinged" term sexism was not even remotely on my mind..it was

my opinion, good, bad or indifferent.

I'm not sexist.

[Mushroom]

52. unhinged on a woman

Bitch, nag, hysterical, lying bitch... and "unhinged" isn't gender specific when also used on Hillary? I guess her supporters should be grateful that they haven't had to read crazy white bitch yet. Barack needs to address this problem whether it stems from freepers or from a part of his base - like a gentleman promptly would.

If anything, Barack is appearing disconnected for not addressing this problem - he can't deny his knowledge of this lousy behavior, and how could he possibly believe this method-to-his-madness campaigning could result in anything good. He looks like he's trolling for misogynists for a quick vote.

[Political Heretic]

23. I totally agree. Made my own thread about. Some O-supporters are WAY WAY out of line.

:mad:

[HamdenRice]

24. Please don't blame candidate Obama for overheated rhetoric from supporters nt

[Political Heretic]

26. I'm not. But I need to stand up when some of us get out of line or we all look bad.

[journalist3072]

32. Actually, it was the pious, self-righteous Obama who said the candidate sets the tone for their

campaign.

I remember after Bill Sheheen of New Hampshire had to step down from the Clinton campaign for remarks he made about Obama...and I believe Sen. Clinton called to apologize. Anyway, Obama went on tv and said he explained to Sen. Clinton that the candidate sets the tone for the campaign.

So, the Obamanias/cultists here on DU can't have it both ways.

Either they believe their candidate was right or wrong when he said the candidate sets the tone.

[Political Heretic]

48. He was right. Candidates set the tone of their CAMPAIGN

Which of course has nothing to do whatsoever with anonymous internet posters on DU on either side.

Bill Sheheen worked for the campaign. There's the difference.

[Tatiana]

27. I don't think Hillary is a monster and I hope she stays in the race.

However, she has just illustrated how much words DO matter.

I wish her own actions would match her rhetoric.

I don't agree with all the Hillary bashing. I would rather focus on policy and hope that Hillary's continued campaign will highlight what we need to do to improve this country instead of foster bitter dissention between fellow Democrats.

[Thepricebreaker]

28. People use different words to express how they feel.

Its called the 1st amendment..

[DemocratSinceBirth]

31. The First Amendment Only Protects You From The Government

It doesn't protect you from the consequences of your actions on a proprietary website..

[tigereye]

35. in all my years in lefty/prog. circles, I have never heard that kind of language

used about our own candidates. Any of them.


Incredible. :(

[JohnnyLib2]

37. I have the same thought, based on participation since the late '50s.

It may be true in both parties, don't know. But the loss of even basic civility is surely going to have a cost.

[yardwork]

41. Me neither, and that's why I suspect that they aren't "our" supporters.

When I read things that sound exactly like a freeper wrote them, it's easy to suspect that...a freeper wrote them.

[tigereye]

43. noticed you were being alert for rules violations, on another thread

keep up the good work!

:hi:

[yardwork]

46. Thank you! I've been worried that I've been a pest.

[bridgit]

38. Too many DUer's are parroting RW-talking points & channeling Monica Crowley

If there's no shame to such a game then I guess there isn't. But it would be better as a practical matter to just stop it. Assuming of course that hate-radio disrupter's are able.

[yardwork]

40. I think that there are a fair number of non-Democrats making trouble.

I also think that there are genuine Democrats who get caught up in the internet anonymity and say things they wouldn't say out loud.

[emilyg]

44. I bet those people use those words all the time. Way of life for them.

[cooolandrew]

45. It is unwise to use this language I agree. Just explain our differences is sufficient.

Although the theory that RWs are strring it up wouldn't surprise me one bit.

[yardwork]

47. The internet is an easy target.

[VotesForWomen]

49. thank you. i can understand people choosing a different candidate, but the invective against her is

into the irrational zone.