I will put on Ignore ANYONE advocating/defending or trying to rehabilitate Nader

[stevenleser]

I am not a fan of Ignore, but I am not going to listen to this crap again. You losers who want Nader should visit the families of all the dead and maimed Iraqis and US soldiers and tell them how Bush and Gore were all the same.

To hell with Nader and anyone who supports/defends or tries to rehabilitate him.

[ulysses]

1. well, given those to whom you seem to be applying your definition

of "rehabilitate", you can go ahead and put me on ignore, if you haven't already.

The funny thing is that I see very little point in even talking about the man at this point.

[stevenleser]

6. Done

[janetblond]

2. My Repukelicons friends think it's "great" ...

They're just ecstatic this morning.
Nader does it AGAIN.
What an egotistical, narcissistic S.O.B.!!

[stevenleser]

10. Yes, it is inconceivable that he is doing this again, I only wonder...

does he own stock in defense contractor firms? Because if he ends up giving us McCain, like he gave us Dumbya last time that will no doubt result in war against Iran.

[mkultra]

3. first

maybe you should take a second to calm down. Were all friends here.


Second,

Would you explain your point academically. I'm afraid i don't understand your premise.

[grasswire]

4. unless he's running as a Democrat....

....there shouldn't be any advocacy for him here, per DU rules.

[Yossariant]

8. READ THE DAMN RULES! You are wrong.

[Ken Burch]

5. I wouldn't do that, but I would advocate engaging his supporters, adopting some of his positions

and NOT pissing away over a million dollars challenging Ralph's ballot lines in court. The last bit is especially important, as it helps him for us to challenge the ballot lines and it only hurts us.

I say all of the above in the name of helping achieve a Democratic victory in the fall.

So do I make your ignore list for this post?

[stevenleser]

7. Borderline. So, no, but close...

Progressivism and its positions do not need a liar to advocate for them, particularly a liar whose candidacy, and the way he framed it, gave us the last 8 years in all of its crowning glory.

[Ken Burch]

17. I agree with you that Ralph isn't needed by progressives.

What I was saying, and what I've been saying on this subject for years is this:

Oppose the man.

Don't diss the ideas.

Reach out to the followers.

And let's not do things to stop him that hurt us more than him.

Does that clarify what I'm saying?

[patrice]

23. Right! We've got to get out ahead of them, and stay there, = co-opt his supporters by means of

inclusion, so that any problems they have with us are their own fault. Define the differences AND similarities between us as they relate to problem solving on the Issues.

[gaspee]

9. Why should anyone care

If you put them on ignore or not? I'm not being sarcastic, I'm being quite serious. What's the downside to them if you're ignoring them? It's kind of an empty threat.

I don't see too many people supporting Nadar anyway. I don't plan on voting for Obama when he's the nominee, but I'm sure not voting for that delusional old fool, either. I might vote Clinton if she's the nominee.

I plan on writing in Al Gore - so are you going to put me on ignore? And why would I care if you did?

I don't appreciate anyone trying to bully me into voting for who *they* think I should vote for.

And before you try to lecture me, my icon shows what state I'm from. I have no need to vote for a Dem candidate I don't like to secure the common good. If I lived in a state like Ohio, PA, or Fl I would probably vote for the dem no matter who it is.

I am a registered Democrat but don't think the party does anything for the people. Obama is just more empty rhetoric. I vote Dem because I find the republicans despicable, not because I find the dems so wonderful. Alienating people like me does nothing to get dems elected.

Talk to me when we have a new New Deal, or when we cut the military budget or are at least trying for Universal Health care that does not pander to insurance companies. Talk to me when we have a dem who cares more about the minimum wage being a living wage than they care about raising their own pay rate. Talk to me when it's illegal to discriminate against me and my LGBTQ sisters and brothers. When the Dem party even *tries* to accomplish some of that, I may march in lockstep and vote for who I'm told to vote for. Until then, I'll make up my own mind, thank you very much!

I want a real progressive populist and Obama isn't it.

I get pretty annoyed when people try to bully other people into voting for their candidate.

[stevenleser]

11. They shouldn't and I dont care either way. I hope to inspire many other DUers to do the same

assuming the mods dont make this a moot point

[messiah]

12. The ego speaks and roars!

:rofl:

[stevenleser]

14. Yes, unbelievable that he is going to do this again, isnt it?

Several hundred thousand dead qnd maimed Iraqis and tens of thousands of dead American soldiers isnt enough, we have to double, triple or quadruple that number by enabling McCain now to attack Iran

[patrice]

13. Everyone should just take responsibility for speaking to friends and acquaintances

about why Obama's "movement" includes whatever a 3rd party is about and take responsibility to speak to others about constructive ISSUE solutions emerging from the responsible actions of a wide spectrum of people corelating more or less (but hopefully lately somewhat less rather than more) with conventional political party "types", which aren't empirically real, but actually commercial rhetorical tools used against the best Issue-interests of those whom they supposedly represent.

If Obama's folk accept the long-term commitment of being responsibly constructive and proactive on the Issues over time and in all situations, Nader folk will be subsummed in the Obama movement, rather than at war with it. This, of course means that some real respect must be demonstrated, on all sides, especially in regards to "Other" People's Issues and for the processes that allow different entities to ACTIVELY co-exist.

[stevenleser]

15. You are assuming Nader and Naderites can be reasoned with. Remember...

these are the folks who bought and passed on the lie that Gore was the same as Bush. And I dont buy the idea that they could tell at the time and had no idea what Bush would do (even though some of them have since seen the light). Anyone who has a brain could tell that there was little of anything in common between Bush and Gore. They dont care about the truth or reasonable arguments. They are going to repeat the "Dems same as republicans" and "Dem nominee is the same as mcCain" meme over and over.

[patrice]

19. I guess I'm thinking it would be good for as many people as possible to act in such a manner

that any intransigence in 3rd party behavior is their OWN fault (since they can't "be reasoned with") rather than mine/ours.

This certainly doesn't mean that "we" avoid disagreeing with them, but that as much as possible, disagreements are on the SPECIFICS of Issues that we share with them, so that any problems are problems they are generating by being contrarians first and concerned about the Peoples' issues only secondarily or even less than that, i.e. act in a manner that makes the almost inevitable problems their fault rather than "ours". Issues first, over party, will expose mutually assured destruction partisans for what they are, i.e. party-power first, ahead of solutions that work, which will turn a whole lot of folks off on them and on toward those who are working on solving our problems/issues.

[stevenleser]

16. You are assuming Nader and Naderites can be reasoned with. Remember...

these are the folks who bought and passed on the lie that Gore was the same as Bush. And I dont buy the idea that they couldnt tell at the time and had no idea what Bush would do (even though some of them have since seen the light). Anyone who has a brain could tell that there was little of anything in common between Bush and Gore. They dont care about the truth or reasonable arguments. They are going to repeat the "Dems same as republicans" and "Dem nominee is the same as mcCain" meme over and over.

[AngryAmish]

18. There are many things I can take... but being ignored by Steven Leser is not one of them

[burythehatchet]

21. You have to draw the line SOMEwhere n/t

[burythehatchet]

20. For no reason except the exceptionally crappy nature of this post, I'll have to Ignore you.

:(

[asdjrocky]

22. Is that you W?

That's a shrub MO, do what I want you to do, or I'll ignore you. I wonder if you realize how ridicules this sounds.

[MoonRiver]

24. Your fear is showing.

I am no fan of Nader, but you can put me on ignore if it makes you feel safer.

[Yavin4]

25. Not To Mention The Families of the Dead on 9/11

And the families of the dead from Hurricane Katrina, and on and on and on.

[stevenleser]

26. Yes, all of those and more, thank you Nader and Naderites

when you engage in a campaign for such an important position like President of the United States and sell the idea that Bush is the same as Gore and now that Obama or Clinton would be the same as mcCain, and we get as a result what has happened over the last eight years, that responsibility and that blood is partially on your hands.

[CitizenRob]

27. Add me to your ignore list.

Because I'm going to vote for Nader if Hillary gets the nomination.