This is exactly why I've been telling people to not be so cocky

[cboy4]

about having the White House in the bag.

It's why I've been telling certain Obama supporters that instead of gloating and shitting all over certain people and spending all of their time trying to act provocative, they should be reaching out to court votes from the Hillary camp and the gay camp.

The same would hold true on Hillary's side if she was in Obama's position.

Sorry, but told you.

I had a feeling this asshole would jump into the race. You just NEVER, ever know what's going to happen. That's why you don't talk shit before the big game, because it can come back to haunt you.

It'll be interesting now to see how many people will be adjusting their unacceptably divisive behaviors in wake of what happened today.

Because damn, you don't think Obama needs Hillary supporters and teh gays now?

[Duke Newcombe]

1. News flash: this Nader idiot...

...passed "irrelevant" by many moons ago. I'm not particularly worried.

Duke

[cboy4]

12. The New England Patriot fans weren't particularly worried

either.

[jgraz]

13. Yes, a football game is EXACTLY like a presidential election

I really hope Obama has beefed up his offensive line. :eyes:

[cboy4]

17. You don't get the analogy? Shocking

Not.

[jgraz]

18. It's a poor analogy. Deal with it.

[cboy4]

20. LOL. I'm in such a good mood.

Nothing like humble pie on a Sunday.

(Something else you probably don't understand jgraz).

[jgraz]

29. I understand it perfectly well

I also understand that this Nader panic is completely overblown. The person we need to be worrying about is Hillary and her determination to take every Democrat down with her.

[cboy4]

30. ....

:spray:

[lostnotforgotten]

2. I Get The Feeling You Don't Like Ralph?

eom

[TheDebbieDee]

3. Bu-whahahahahahahahaha.....

Maybe we'll start seeing how gracious some of these obnoxious Obama supporters can be.

[Blue State Bandit]

15. "We" have been making an honest effort.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4719873&mesg_id=4719873">Take a breath DU, for all of our sakes!

And others seemed to have http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4731062">noticed.

Maybe you could make an effort too?

Just a thought.

[BooScout]

26. I seriously doubt it

and it would be a miracle if some of them changed their hateful ways this late in the game.

[Blue State Bandit]

33. Such attitudes are probably why it would be so difficult.

You don't sound as though you would even care if they wanted to.

That is the real shame.

[Bicoastal]

4. For the record, Obama himself has done NOTHING to discourage Hillary supporters

from voting for him.

It's a deception created by too much time spent on this site, this belief that Obama hates Hillary and her supporters, or that even the majority of Obama's supporters hate Hillary and her supporters....

A lot of people need to learn to tell the difference between the Internet and real life.

[tyne]

7. The only thing

Nader would hurt would be a Hillary nomination.

[Beausoir]

10. Except for hiring a gay bashing clown in order to pander for some votes.

[cboy4]

27. I'm not just talking about Hillary supporters Bicoastal.

Think about it.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Nader was a non-factor in 2004, he'll be even less in 2008. Not worried.

[terrya]

6. I understand what you're saying, cboy4.

But I think he'll have even less of an impact this election than he did in 2004.

[Beausoir]

8. The Obama people here sure seem freaked out about Nader.

Nader's a tool. I seriously doubt he'll have any impact on the race.

But, your post is spot-on when it comes to being arrogant before you get the game won.

[mudesi]

9. What? Why would people support Clinton now that Nader is in?

I don't get your logic behind that at all.

How is Nader going to affect these primaries at all?

[cboy4]

16. I'm saying that if Obama gets the nomination, which it

looks like he probably will, he's going to need every single vote he can get to beat McCain.

I've been saying it won't be a cakewalk even before Nader jumped in because you can't underestimate the dirty tricks machine known as the Republican partt

Yet, I've read posts that Obama will be stomping McCain.

[SayitAintSo]

22. Agree...I bet there are plenty of repugs crossing for BO

That won't be with us in November... the numbers tend to support it

[SOS]

11. Nader got 0.3% in 2004

We better beat McCain by more than that.
Anyone voting Nader over Obama or Clinton is never going to vote Democratic.
They are irrelevant.

[hfojvt]

14. that's confusing to me

Nader is well to the left of Obama. Hillary is to the right of Obama, or, at best, just a teeny tiny bit to the left of Obama. So why would Hillary supporters goto Nader?

Also, I sorta figure that anybody with two brain cells to rub together can follow the logic from 2000.
+ for Nader = - for Obama ----> President McCain.

Also, presumably the Clintons, once they have spent a few weeks consoling themselves, will endorse and work for the Dem nominee, unless they decide to go totally Lieberman.

[SayitAintSo]

19. Great point ... lets see if this changes the tone any.... n/t

[blogslut]

21. I'm not worried about Ralph Nader

:)

[LiberalFighter]

23. I agree. It doesn't do any good to win the nomination if they antagonize

the people they need on their side. That is the problem with having supporters that are new blood. They are so gun ho that they do things that shouldn't be done because of their inexperience. And there are others that are not willing to try new methods or ideas in a campaign.

[Neshanic]

24. I am not afraid of Nader as much as Obama being lambasted by the right wing.

On everything.

[Warren Stupidity]

25. I think Nader is irrelevant, thanks.

[Obamaman2008]

28. If Obama has to spend time wooing Gays, Blacks, and Liberals, He doesn't stand a

chance in the general election anyway. So I don't think you have a point. I am sure the Republicans will try and paint Obama as the biggest Hillary, Gay, leftest on the planet anyway. Obama needs to be running to the center to sure up all the moderate and independent votes he can before McCain raises the money and resources to do it.

I think if a person wants to NOT vote for a candidate and abandon their values based on something that one of his many millions of supporters said about their candidate, they probably are not rational enough to be allowed into a voting booth anyway.

[publicatlarge]

31. Maybe the Obama Borg will assimilate him.

He can be the Veep.

;)

[cboy4]

32. You people need to "woo" every human being who has

a pulse.

You may not comprehend, but I bet Obama's campaign people realize this as more and more Republics begin to rally around McCain in order to keep the White House.

[Bongo Prophet]

36. Rather than "you people" need to woo everyone, I would say WE DEMOCRATS need to do this.

I agree totally with your premise, and have tried to do the same thing to supporters of both candidates.
What unites us is more crucial than what divides us.
This is why saying "candidate X is NOT READY to be president" is EXTREMELY divisive. And THAT is done by one of the campaigns itself.
so they need to search their own souls, and pass that to their constituents.

For the country, indeed the entire biosphere, we need to pull together - and the change starts in each individual's conscience.

[cboy4]

37. Yup. Agree with you again....division won't get us the

White House.

Tragically, not everyone comprehends.

[ORDem]

34. I guess you're right in a way. If only Hillary supporters could rise

above the ranting and mockery of their candidate. Sadly, they can't.

[TheDonkey]

35. Nader ran in 2004 and he was a non-factor. People have thankfully wised up to his game

[SammyWinstonJack]

38. The asshole said he would jump in if it looked like Edwards wouldn't get the nom.

I assume you are talking about Nader, right? He warned and followed up with his threat. :shrug:

[cboy4]

39. It's just not Nader....my point has been anything can

happen in politics, so people shouldn't act as though they have the White House in the bag.

I've read posts saying, "I guarantee we're going to win it," or "Obama is going to stomp McCain in November," etc., etc.

And I've said WRONG.

The election in November will be close, if only because the Republicans will cheat.

So people should be doing less talking smack and more reaching out to those who are saying they'll leave their ballot blank if Obama is the nominee.

There's so much more work to be done.

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. Cocky isn't a good place too be while campaigning , ever.

Anything can happen, look what happened to all but two of our Dem candidates, very early on.

Agree, there is much work to be done.