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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:34 PM
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Obama: "We'll see what the American people think is the true definition of patriotism."
Obama Fires Back on Patriotism Attacks

By JAKE TAPPER and SUNLEN MILLER
LORAIN, Ohio, Feb. 24, 2008

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., defended himself from charges by conservatives that he isn't sufficiently patriotic, a theme developing in the Republican world that could tarnish the Democrat in the general election. "There's always some nonsense going on in general elections," Obama told ABC News at a press availability in Lorain, Ohio. "If it wasn't this, it would be something else. I mean, as you will recall, first it was my name. Right? That was a problem. And then there was the Muslim e-mail thing and that stuff hasn't worked out so well. And now it's the patriotism thing."

Asked by ABC News how he could combat the accusations, Obama said, "The way I will respond to it is with the truth -- that I owe everything I am to this country. You will recall the reason I came to national attention was a speech in which I spoke of my love for this country."

Republicans have been stringing together events in the past year to paint Obama as unpatriotic: A Time magazine photograph from an event in Iowa last summer showed Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., and New Mexico Gov. Bill Richardson with their hands on their hearts during the singing of the national anthem. Obama's hands were by his side. Months later, Obama told an Iowa television station that he no longer wore an American flag lapel pin because it had become, in some ways, "a substitute for, I think, true patriotism." Then last week Obama's wife Michelle told voters in Milwaukee, "For the first time in my adult life, I am really proud of my country. Not just because Barack is doing well, but I think people are hungry for change."

...Obama said today that, "The notion that I am disqualified because at one event I was signing the national anthem but failed to put my hand over my heart while I was singing, if that were the case that would disqualify about three fourths of people who have ever gone to a football game or a baseball game."

About his wife's comments in Wisconsin, Obama said, "I think she already clarified this. She was very clear about it. She simply misspoke. Because what she was referring to is this was the first time she'd been proud of politics in America. And that's true for a lot of folks who had been cynical and disenchanted. She spoke about how she'd been cynical of American politics for a very long time, but she's proud of how people are participating and involved in ways they haven't for a very long time." On the American flag lapel pin, Obama said, "When we start getting into those definitions of patriotism, that's a debate I'm happy to have, because I will come right after them."

Obama said he would argue that the GOP is "a party that presided over a war in which our troops did not get the body armor that they needed or troops over who were untrained because of poor planning, or are not fulfilling the veterans benefits that these troops need when they come home, or undermining our constitution with warrantless wiretaps that are unnecessary.

"That is a debate that I am very happy to have," Obama added. "We'll see what the American people think is the true definition of patriotism."

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=4336530&page=1

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billbuckhead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:37 PM
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1. What the media tells them it is!
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:37 PM
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2. Yes, we will. President McCain.
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NJSecularist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:42 PM
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6. Will you go campaign for the rethugs since you like them so much?
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:44 PM
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10. No, but the American people will be told by the media what patriotism is...
and that will be JM.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:05 PM
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23. So your opinion of Americans is, we're idiots. No wonder you support Hillary. Voters get
the politicians and government they deserve.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:09 PM
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26. No, I don't think that supporting Hillary has anything to do with what the MSM will do
to our nominee.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:08 PM
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34. The American people in this primary have shown that they
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 05:08 PM by tabatha
WILL NOT, repeat WILL NOT listen to the media.

Far too many people hate the media, and get their news from blogs, youtube, etc.

I think you are RW.
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jlake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:21 PM
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37. The media has been PRO Obama - so yes, they have listened.
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MzShellG Donating Member (835 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:22 PM
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44. Wrong......
Hillary is usually leading in the polls of various states until Obama arrives in a state and campaigns there. That shows that folks are not being swayed by the media influence, but are reserving their judgement until they see him for themselves.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:40 PM
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3. I like how he reponds to various accusations
And the voters seem to respond very well to that.
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Flabbergasted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:10 PM
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28. Yeah that was excellent. I think he can take on the smear machine.
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MH1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:41 PM
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4. Good, strong response.
Again Obama is showing that he isn't going to treat the American people like idiots. He will stand up to the panderers and say "The American people know better." And they do and will appreciate him saying that.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:51 PM
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12. I see new "that's what patriotism is" riffs in the stump speech
Go for it, Barack.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:41 PM
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5. I have a feeling this is going to be beautiful.
He is going to redefine the idea of patriotism.

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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:42 PM
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7. He delivered these statements beautifully...
...starting off with a chuckle when he talked about nonsense, and going on with a calm voice and sure words ~ he's learned not to let anyone throw him.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:43 PM
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8. This right here is bullshit..
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 03:46 PM by zidzi
"Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., defended himself from charges by conservatives that he isn't sufficiently patriotic, a theme developing in the Republican world that could tarnish the Democrat in the general election.

I call bullshit..Obama won't let that happen.

And the rest is pure Obama..give Obama a chance to speak and it gets Boomberanged right back on them..no matter if it's hilary or the repukes.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:43 PM
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9. if this was Clinton, she would have responded by
sponsoring flag-burning amendments and voting to authorize war in Iraq.

Oh, wait....
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:52 PM
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15. *snap*
:D
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Window Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:39 PM
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33. ..
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:45 PM
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11. Even if you hate Nader, please tell me why Obama and Clinton are ignoring the Issues:
http://www.votenader.org/issues/

I will happily vote for either candidate if they represent me regarding the problems installed by Bush and friends. Go ahead and hate Nader, but someone has to keep these things in our attention span, so that something will be done about them!
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:55 PM
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18. Wait who is Nader standing for - the Greens or what?
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:04 PM
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41. I don't care if he's a guy in a clown suit waving a badminton racket.
Support impeachment, ending corporate personhood, ending the illegal, economically-devastating Iraq invasion, eliminating the Patriot Act, and you'll have my support, and my continuing dismay that the big 2 Democratic candidates won't even touch these issues. Please tell your candidates to support the above issues and the center of their platforms. Please.

I would LOVE to vote for Obama or Clinton. But they have to support actual change by name in order for me to do so. Why will they not speak out against the actual Republican agendas? Something is extremely wrong in DC, and as a fan of democracy, I will challenge it until it is addressed and made right. Hopefully by the people who have the best chance of doing so, the Democratic party. Let's make certain that they do, and that we won't get another 2006 democratic Congress effect in the new President as well.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:07 PM
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25. your post has NOTHING to do with thread subject and you can shove your votenader link
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:58 PM
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38. My post is about MY "true definition of patriotism", and pointing out that it's superior to Obama
and Clinton's. And that they need to pony up.

Before today, I would have posted a Kucinich link, if you want someone who is Democratic to say the same things. Where is impeachment? Where is anti-corporate personhood? Where are the things on the list I posted, and Dennis' before that?

Electing those who will allow Bush to leave and go about his merry business will not solve the problems that Bush and friends have installed. Wishing for change will not make it happen. Actually impeaching, eliminating the Patriot Act, and removing other obscenities WILL change things.

I am encouraging all who vote Democratic to demand their candidate support Democracy, not merely spit out words like Change and Hope without any intention of making things right. They do not appear interested in dismantling the corporate control that has been put in place. If they won't even bring it up, I sincerely doubt that they will actually do anything later on after the election.

Remember Jooky, the party in a can? This is how I feel people see Clinton and Obama. Bright and shiny and nothing to do with the harsh reality that must be changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfOgYIOho44&NR=1

Thank you for the polite conversation in the interest of the highest possible outcome for all of us here and in the country. I am getting used to being part of the underground at Democratic Underground.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:51 PM
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13. He's good. I am not worried in the least about his ability to handle the smears.
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Guy Whitey Corngood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:51 PM
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14. To those assholes foaming at the mouth reg. the natioanl anthem.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:54 PM
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16. "first time she'd been proud of politics in America." Guess that Nixon getting shown the door was
low point in courage and guts that we will never live down.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:55 PM
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17. That happened when she was 10 and she was referring to her adult life
Try again.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:57 PM
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19. She specifically noted her adult life. You are correct.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 03:58 PM
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20. Sorry, I did not get the study guide.
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 04:01 PM by Neshanic
"Because what she was referring to is this was the first time she'd been proud of politics in America."

Since laser precision is required when reading and uderstanding Obama-speak, his response above does not mention her "adult life", but again, we must measure all political progress on the happiness scale of the Devine Ms. O.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:09 PM
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27. You could look it up.
Here is what she said. If he characterized it as just about politics, fine, but here is HER quote:

"What we have learned over this year is that hope is making a comeback. It is making a comeback. And let me tell you something -- for the first time IN MY ADULT LIFETIME, I am really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change. And I have been desperate to see our country moving in that direction and just not feeling so alone in my frustration and disappointment. I've seen people who are hungry to be unified around some basic common issues, and it's made me proud."

Sorry you are so bitter about your impending loss. Don't let the door hit you in the butt on your way out March 5.
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Neshanic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:14 PM
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29. I am not going anywhere March 5th.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:10 PM
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43. Good, then you can enjoy the celebration Obama supporters will throw.
(I'm not one, but I'll be happy enough she's gone down in flames.)

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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:02 PM
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21. Teflon Obam,,,,, this crap won't stick either
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:05 PM
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24. It just bounces back
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gravity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:04 PM
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22. Obama isn't afraid of the right
He is able to rise above the attacks, making himself stronger
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IsItJustMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:14 PM
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30. This same old worn out sh!t gets so damn old. Over and over again. Every fricken election. I gues
if you have no issues working for you, you go with this petty crap. If that's what a person votes on, go for it. I pitty them.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:16 PM
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31. Apparently Obama has never heard of Michael Dukakis
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:10 PM
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36. Myabe he has, and has learned from it.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 04:26 PM
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32. Only people who would never vote for Obama believe these kind of stupid allegations
That's the problem with this kind of attack for the rightwing. They won't convince any person to vote against Obama who isn't already voting against him in the general election.

The 20% of the electorate who believes crap like this is the same 20% that still supports George W. Bush in his presidency.

At its best, this is a ploy to excite their base, get them to vote when they're not excited about McShorty.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 05:10 PM
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35. A calm, measured response--that's what I like to see.
Someone who won't fly off the handle and throw a temper tantrum every time he's attacked.
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ErnestoG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:59 PM
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39. Instead of a wide eyed, vein-bulging meltdown about a flier?
I TOTALLY agree.
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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:03 PM
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40. If he thinks he's going to keep deflecting everything by
saying it's silly or nonsense he's in for a big surprise. That really just pisses people off at him even more. Seems like there are a lot of "debates he is happy to have." He's not going to be so happy when they start coming fast and furious.
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Zhade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:06 PM
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42. Anyone who INSISTS a pin be worn or a hand be placed over the heart is an idiot.
A pro-fascism, my-way-or-the-highway fool who doesn't understand the first thing about patriotism.

Hint: jingoism isn't patriotism.

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