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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 06:41 PM Original message |
Sen. Obama: In light of the cold blooded murder of the 15 year old gay teen |
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IndyOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. Lawrence was a handsome young man and I hope all politicians and all citizens will |
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Bicoastal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. And if he doesn't respond, he does in fact hate gay people? |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
41. well, if it was a racially motivated murder, you can be sure he would have said something. draw your |
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mckeown1128 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #41 |
82. Weirdest logic I have seen today. |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 06:58 PM Response to Original message |
3. If you're gay and voted for Hillary, you are a fool |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. please do not forget about "Don't Ask Don't Tell" that the Clintons pushed onto America |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
59. Indeed. |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
4. speaking |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Bingo! |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Did Hillary speak on it? If not.... STFU |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #6 |
12. Actually Hillary has spoken quite eloquently about gay teens |
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Straight Shooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
25. Video of Hillary at the Human Rights Campaign |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
55. not about this incident she didn't. Wanna try again? |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
91. stfu |
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shaniqua6392 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:08 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Bingo! |
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TheDonkey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:10 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. I thought words didn't matter? |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:09 PM Response to Original message |
9. Did Hillary say TWO WORDS about this incident? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
35. Is this about Hillary? What will you say in the general when they ask? |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
54. I repeat - WHAT DID HILLARY offer about this horrid affair? |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:30 PM Response to Reply #54 |
86. and *I* repeat: |
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Mezzo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 05:41 AM Response to Reply #86 |
101. >> |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. Nyet! |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
10. Why single Sen. Obama out? Why not ask Sen. Clinton to do the same? Their positions on LGBT issues |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Because Hillary has publicly spoken about gay teenagers |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. I'm simply asking why you're setting a particular standard for a particular candidate. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:20 PM Original message |
Because |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
20. At the same time, he proposes |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. I don't think any human being is a "niche interest group." |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I'm sorry accuracy of phrasing offends you. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:36 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Not offended, just had my eyes opened a bit |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:44 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. And do you have any reason to believe |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Thanks for the suggestion |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. And, again, you're looking to form patterns out of a single point. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Again, a strawman |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. Again, a strawman. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:18 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. "falsely implying that Obama is anti-Semitic" |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. That was pretty disgusting, by the way. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:24 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. I didn't use them as a strict analogy to your OP. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Actually, the ex-gay movement is the OPPOSITE of this incident. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. It's incredible that I'm reading this on a liberal political board. |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. He did not say that they were not harmful. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. Now you're apologizing for that post? |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #50 |
68. No. I'm saying that they did not claim that ex-gays were not harmful. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:50 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Here's what he said in his post |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:28 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. I know exactly what the ex-gay movement is, and I am very |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Yes, it's all because we just "hate" Obama so much. What a nut. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. we're not supposed to bring it up |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
70. You don't know what the hell you're talking about |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #70 |
90. Perhaps you need to improve your reading comprehension. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:57 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. GWB hasn't killed anybody directly |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. They both oppose full civil rights for same-sex couples. |
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ThatPoetGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #10 |
78. Because Obama spread this. |
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nonconformist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 12:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
99. How many gay pride parades has Obama marched in? |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
13. So Hillary spoke on this? This is why you voted for her? Link please? |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:18 PM Response to Original message |
16. The poison drips down...The crux of the situation is that a |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:25 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Exactly |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
32. What i know is that people are being murdered because they |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:34 PM Response to Reply #32 |
52. I understand |
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rasputin1952 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:41 PM Response to Reply #52 |
60. We should expect either candidate, which ever one makes it |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
17. Go to one of his town meetings and bring it up |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:22 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. It wasn't Hillary either |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:29 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Hey, she's the one who counts it as "experience." |
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Control-Z (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:27 PM Response to Reply #17 |
51. Gosh, I wasn't aware |
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candice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
26. Obama didn't want Gavin Newsom in the same photo with him... |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
27. I don't think I have ever seen such a sick post |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:46 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Because of the troubling events |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:47 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. And do you count as a "troubling revelation" the fact that he has the most comprehensive |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. He doesn't |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:52 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. He doesn't? Name one regard in which Hillary's is better. I'll start off by naming one in which |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
69. Ah, no answers. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:39 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. this post wasn't a debate about who's better on gay issues |
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Occam Bandage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:42 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. I'm sorry, I would have thought "Obama is in favor of fully repealing DOMA, |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:03 PM Response to Reply #72 |
83. Actually a point could be made for both |
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dcindian (881 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. No one needs to point to dead soldiers to know war is bad. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 07:53 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. Read it again |
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sfam (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:03 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. Still awaiting the link where Hillary mentioned this event... |
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LeftCoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Hillary isn't cozying up to the ex-gay movement |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
63. 'Hillary Speaks for the Unspoken; Addresses Gay Teen Suicide' |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:32 PM Response to Reply #27 |
58. To use this poor kid's murder as political fodder for Hillary Clinton...I agree |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 09:53 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. So says my little stalker |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:02 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. I care about gay teens, but he's right. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. No he's not right |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:43 PM Response to Reply #66 |
73. You don't have a lock on caring, nor do you own the sadness and anger these things cause us. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:14 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. Here's what I know about you |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
85. And you couldn't be more wrong. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:42 PM Response to Reply #85 |
92. Right back atcha |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:54 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. Ok, let's step back. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 12:01 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. I know you're a good guy |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 12:14 AM Response to Reply #98 |
100. My fear is that it's going to continue no matter who our president is. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Your Obama hate clouded your reading of their post, big time. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:45 PM Response to Reply #61 |
75. Please put your ego in the bottom drawer, little man. No one bothers stalking you. |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
65. The militant straights around here seem to be incapable of showing compassion towards anyone |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:47 PM Response to Reply #65 |
76. militant....straights? |
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Beausoir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
74. Yes. And this is what is so sad about Obama. He HIRED a gay basher. HIRED. |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. Using a gay teen's murder to benefit Hillary's campaign is BENEATH contempt. |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:57 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Why do you think the OP intended to benefit Hillary's campaign? |
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ErnestoG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:31 PM Response to Reply #81 |
88. Clear as spring rain water to me..... |
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hulklogan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #88 |
97. What is going to be the excuse from the Obama supporters |
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Muzza (397 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 10:52 PM Response to Original message |
80. Hypocrit! |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:38 PM Response to Reply #80 |
89. You forgot shameless. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:43 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. Deleted message |
depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Feb-24-08 11:43 PM Response to Original message |
94. He's not going to touch that one with a 10 foot pole |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 06:10 AM Response to Original message |
102. I think you should write and ask him to address it, I know I certainly would like him to |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-25-08 06:11 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. When I wrote about McClurkin, all I got back was solicitations for money |
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