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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:34 PM
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Last year Obama railed against Edwards criticizing 527's & then benefitting from their spending.....
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 08:36 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
"John yesterday said that he didn't believe in 527s - those are the independent groups that raise money without disclosure. Nobody knows who's giving the money or what's going on. He said, 'I don't believe in them because this is a major loophole in campaign finance reform laws, you have these outside groups helping out candidates and it is a way to get around campaign finance laws.'... So you can't say yesterday you don't believe in them and today you have three-quarters of a millions dollars being spent for you. You can't just talk the talk. The easiest thing in the world is to talk about change during election time" (New York Times, 12/22/07)

Sen. Obama: "Yesterday my understanding was that (Edwards) said he did not approve of 527s, these independent groups where there's no disclosure so you don't know who's funding them and how much is being spent... Part of what we need is some consistency when it comes to the positions we take, not just taking them when it's politically convenient." (Radio Iowa, 12/22/07)

Sen. Obama criticizes Edwards for using 'outside groups' as a way of 'getting around the campaign finance laws.' "You've got these outside groups that are helping out candidates and it's a way of getting around the campaign finance laws. So he said he's opposed to them - we found out today that there is an outside group spending $750,000." (MSNBC, 12/22/07)

Obama campaign decried 'big interests' that had poured a 'flood of Washington money' into Iowa in 'underhanded' efforts to support his rivals. "Sen. Barack Obama's campaign manager has spent the final days of the Iowa campaign railing against 'big interests' that have poured a 'flood of Washington money" into the state in 'underhanded' efforts to support his rivals. But more than three-quarters of that money has come from a pillar of the Democratic Party: labor unions." (Politico, 1/1/08)

And just this past week his campaign has tried to legally shut down (censorship no less) a Pro Hillary 527!

527's are perfectly legal. So what's my gripe with flip flopper Obama?

The United Food and Commercial Workers which recently endorsed Senator Obama will launch a pro Obama ad in Ohio this week. Another union, the Service Employees International Union, reported spending more than $900,000 in recent days to pay for phone banking and direct mail supporting Obama.

I don't care if he uses them, he's within his legal rights to do so, but he is NOT within his rights to try to legally stop Hillary from benefitting from one or smearing Edwards either.

Mr. "Change" has no moral authority to chastise and lecture other politicians to "do as I say but not as I do."

I have about as much "hope" in Obama's promised "change" as I did in Bush's "compassionate conservativism".



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RoadRage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:48 PM
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1. Is this 527 merely endorsing Obama, or are they going to come out against Clinton?
I think that if the group just wants to let all of Ohio know that they're endorsing & approve of Obama - that is fine.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:29 AM
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12. You do. That wasn't Obama's position just two months ago
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 01:29 AM by jackson_dem
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cloud75 Donating Member (737 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:49 PM
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2. change is only a slogan not something he really means.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 08:50 PM
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3. A union isn't a 527. Obama can't dictate to unions any more than Hillary can. The new 527 being set
up by Hillary supporters though appears to be illegal.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:00 PM
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4. Nowhere in the ad does it say vote HRC for president; it doesn't even mention her campaign..........
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 09:05 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
It may skirt the intent of the law but I'll bet you it's legal.
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KhaOZ Donating Member (81 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:04 PM
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5. Swiftboaters didn't mention bush either.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:29 PM
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6. And they won't mention McCain either.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 09:30 PM
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7. A union isn't a 527. So the claim in the OP is bogus! n/t
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 10:59 PM
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8. ah the semantics ruse
Edited on Sun Feb-24-08 11:00 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:00 PM
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9. "Union" vs. "527" is not semantics. It's a huge difference.
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-24-08 11:10 PM
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10. They won't since Hillary said that her friend McCain is off limits. She'll only target democrats. nt
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:13 AM
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11. Lasik?
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:35 AM
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13. How Ironic You Use A GIF Of Einstein In Your Sig...
You seem to have nothing in common.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:52 AM
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14.  cicada!
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JimGinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:59 AM
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15. That's Pretty Much What I Figured Is What Went On Between Your Ears
:dunce:
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:14 AM
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17. Don't you get it? When ElsewheresDaughter has nothing of substance to say, she says cicada.
That's her way of saying you win.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:24 AM
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18. hello laddie...they have put me on ignore...get it?
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:43 AM
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19. I don't think Jim can reply to you if you're on his ignore list.
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:10 AM
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16. lmao...another circle jerker
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 06:04 AM
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20. My vision is fine. How is your hearing?
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/clinton-interviewed-on-today/453375161

captions below just in case you need them:


Meridith:"...you alluded to a very personal crisis in your own life involving infidelity, so I want to ask you, what is your opinion of what Senator McCain is going through right now.... and is that the kind of attack that should be part of a campaign?"

Clinton: "Well I'm not gonna comment on that, Senator McCain is a friend of mine,... I wish the campaign were about what we want to do for America..."

Meridith:"So if you become the nominee that will be off limits?"

Clinton:"Well I wanna talk about what I wanna do for the country".
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:17 PM
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21. a very honorable and truthful response
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JTFrog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:22 AM
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23. So only Republicans deserve her honor and truth? Got it. n/t
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:18 PM
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22. It shows her though, doesn't it?
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