Obama in 1995 when he first ran for office: Does this sound familiar?

[BeyondGeography]

=="It's time for politicians and other leaders to take the next step and to see voters, residents or citizens as producers of this change," Obama told Hank De Zutter of the Chicago Reporter. "What if a politician were to see his job as that of an organizer, as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them?"==

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/03/24/AR2007032401152.html

[BattyDem]

1. He'll never get anywhere in politics with that philosophy!

:sarcasm:

[BeatleBoot]

2. Was that Before he started giving back Rezko's Campaign Contributions?

[MadBadger]

10. If you keep acting like this, I Will NEVER Support your Candidate!

AAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHH!!!!


lol

[BeatleBoot]

16. It is to laugh.

"In winning Tuesday's primary in the key swing state of Wisconsin, Sen. Barack Obama drew support from tens of thousands of Republicans and independents."

- The Washington Post


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/23/AR2008022302180.html?nav%3Dhcmodule&sub=AR

[Drunken Irishman]

23. So, did Clinton carry the Democratic vote in Wisconsin?

[KAZ]

19. Ha, Beatlespam's shift has started. Hope you punched in.

[BeatleBoot]

20. No Shift -Work here. Just finished Sunday Dinner.

"In winning Tuesday's primary in the key swing state of Wisconsin, Sen. Barack Obama drew support from tens of thousands of Republicans and independents"

-- The Washington Post, February 24, 2008


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/23/AR2008022302180.html?nav%3Dhcmodule&sub=AR

[Drunken Irishman]

27. And yet Clinton still failed to win the Democratic vote.

So she can't even win Democrats now.

:rofl:

[Oleladylib]

3. Hey..how is that trial going..I understand they didn't grant him bail.(Rezko)

[FrenchieCat]

5. It is doing as fine as all of this

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=2856579

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4473288

[ErnestoG]

6. You mean this trial?

Sen. Clinton, Husband to be called in Financial Fraud Trial

"...The first law suit in American history to bring a President and a Senator to court for defrauding the Senator’s largest campaign donor and his public company will be set for trial and discovery at the Case Management Conference before Judge Munoz. Discovery and depositions of key witnesses, including the Clinton family, Al Gore, Ed Rendell, Terry McAuliffe, Harold Ickes, Howard Wolfson, Kelly Craighead, Barbara Streisand, Brad Pitt, Larry King, Mike Wallace among an array of political and entertainment leaders, will present an inside look at a culture of corruption that will shock the public

Because the expenses of discovery and trial preparation will be extraordinary as the efforts to expose wrongdoing by the Clinton hierarchy of the Democratic is fought desperately by the Clinton Washington pit bull legal team, they require the continued support of the tens of thousands of concerned citizens around the nation that have supported it since 2001 and all those Americans who are newly introduced to the biggest political scandal since Watergate.

Paul vs. Clinton has become and will be the first civil lawsuit to produce sworn testimony and evidence of the systemic corruption that the Clintons have infused into the Democratic Party and all branches of the federal government. Given the necessary resources and legal talent to use the legal tools now available, the illegalities directed by Hillary Clinton to win and keep her Senate seat will be irrefutable"

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50718


-------------------------


UH OH!!!!!!!!

[Oleladylib]

8. naw..I mean Barry's buddy, silly you.

[ErnestoG]

25. Oh, I thought you meant the brewing Clinton/Paul scandal trial.

[BeatleBoot]

26. I was talking about Syrian born Antoin "Tony" Rezko and his donations to Barack Hussein Obama

sorry for the confusion.

[thoughtcrime1984]

28. This Rezko?

[tammywammy]

9. It hasn't started

And Obama's not subpoenaed, so much ado about nothing.

[BeatleBoot]

18. Opening Arguments March 3rd - TX, OH, PA Primary March 4th

Lol!

"In winning Tuesday's primary in the key swing state of Wisconsin, Sen. Barack Obama drew support from tens of thousands of Republicans and independents."

- The Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/23/AR2008022302180.html?nav%3Dhcmodule&sub=AR

[DadOf2LittleAngels]

29. Thank you for proving the worst kind of lie is a half truth..

Had only democrats voted in WI obama Still would have won the state... He won almost every demographic..

[rug]

4. SSDD.

[RazBerryBeret]

7. um....

what's SSDD?

(sorry)

[rug]

13. same shit, different day

[RazBerryBeret]

15. ha ha...

I like that, thanks!

[ThatPoetGuy]

11. "one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices"

That's not Obama, sorry.

Edwards and Hillary, for all their shortcomings, did spend a lot of time and energy making sure the voters understand the policies. They both gave detailed talk about health care and Edwards talked in depth about Iraq.

Obama's campaigners were formally trained NOT to speak about the issues. They were trained to talk only about their personal stories of coming to the Obama campaign. That isn't educating the voters.

Regarding health care, anyone who has listened to Obama's take on mandates has been deceived. He has likened health-care mandates to car insurance mandates, in an attempt to discredit them. Only problem is, the analogy isn't necessarily true; social security and unemployment are also mandated, and they're nothing like car-insurance mandates. So people who learn from Obama's speeches come out knowing less than they did before.

Barack Obama has many good qualities, and I hope he'll be a good president, but he is clearly NOT "one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them."

[BeyondGeography]

12. Here, Obama will explain the whole thing to you

even why the ineffectiveness of car insurance mandates proves his point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjsRcIfMj-E

[ThatPoetGuy]

21. Notes taken while watching --

So far he is falsely conflating the Massachusetts plan with all possible mandated plans. This is deliberate deception. Mandated plans could just as easily follow the social security or unemployment systems.

Then he told a story about his mother, aiming to manipulate emotion. No educating the voter is taking place.

Now he's talking about helping poor people afford health care. He's presenting this in a way that implies Hillarycare doesn't do this. Except his plan has set aside thirty billion fewer dollars for helping the poor than her plan.

He just said that the plans now will look very different from the plans that actually go before congress. Good for him, that was honest. And it's what he should have said at the start of this whole debate, rather than start spreading lies about mandated health care.

And now he has returned to his argument against mandates, and he's not being honest. He talked about turning people into "outlaws" -- as though the other plans include something like that. They don't. He continued to make the false claim that all mandated care will be the same as Massachusetts' mandated care. People who believe him on this, will be less educated about the choices in front of them. This is total spin, containing no truth or relevance.

And here he is, going honest again. "I'll call in all kinds of health care experts and economists" (paraphrased).

[BeyondGeography]

22. Only a European-style, single-payer plan would emulate SS or unemployment insurance

Pushing mandates up-front is an awful political strategy which, even if it succeeded, offers no guarantees of universal care. And, yes, Massachausetts and its underfunded plan is indeed proof of that.

[ThatPoetGuy]

24. I don't disagree with your points here --

I would also prefer to see single-payer, but it would put about half a million people out of work all at once -- trained professionals in a field that would no longer exist. There would be ten people with Master's Degrees fighting over every job in a shoe store. Single payer is something we have to work towards gradually.

I also see that mandates are a bad strategy politically. But they do not have to follow the car-insurance method; Massachusetts did, but there are other ways. Obama, attempting to smear his opponents' plans, likened them to the car-insurance/Massachusetts plans, and that was not educational; it was political spin. So I disagree with the central premise of the OP, which was that Obama has been educating people about their choices.

[Infinite Hope]

14. An organizer as president...I like that. A real public servant. n/t

[mopinko]

17. welcome to chicago movement politics. washington, alynski

harold washington, saul alinsky. this is where obama learned it. this is the face of the modern democratic "machine". we grew up here. we do great things here. welcome aboard. you will like it.
seriously.