Why McCain will be the next President- or MORE political machinations...

[BeHereNow]

In case no one has noticed- once again, we have been manipulated
by the powers that be.

Case in point-
The democratic voters are split between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dumb,
both backed by the likes of Brezezinski, Holbrooke, Albright and other
PNAC type New World Order Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations
members.

Add Ralph Nader to the mix- further diluting of the vote. No? Prove it.
I can assure you I know PLENTY of fools who will waste a vote on Nader.

In the meantime, the republican party has no candidate BUT McCain-
at least not if you are watching MSM coverage of the process.


How do you think this will turn out under these circumstances?

With Poppy Shrub's endorsement of McCain and the
idiocy going on in the Democratic party over two
Trilateral Commission corporatist owned candidates, I'd guess
we are looking at a McCain/Lieberman (or Jeb Bush as VP) four years.

I welcome anyone who can convince me otherwise.


BHN

[saltpoint]

1. We're going to steamroll that old fool somethin' fierce.

You just watch.

[BeHereNow]

3. How do you see that happening with such division in the party?

McCain has NO opponent, while we scrabble
over two corporate beholden puppets.
Eh?
And now NADER is further splitting the vote?

Eh?

BHN

[saltpoint]

29. Nader is a real smart guy with no field sense at all.

He won't be a statistical factor in the race.

He wasn't in 04 and he'll be less so now.

It's our steamroller and we're drivin' it.

[BearSquirrel2]

9. $150 million fund ...

The conservatives are sitting on a $150 million war chest. This is Bush controlled money administered by Ari Flescher. Make no doubt, Bush Sr's anointment is the same as George Bush.

So come there general election we will here things like

* O'Bama has no experience
* O'Bama is a muslim
* O'Bama has no patriotism (pledge of allegiance, flag pendant)
* O'Bama is for live birth abortion

Over the telephone push polling will effectively get:

* O'Bama is a n**ger.
* O'Bama wants your women.
* O'Bama is a terrorist

By and large, I think the Faux Synchophants will by this crap hook line and sinker. Good for us, that in the big scheme, Faux really isn't that popular.

[Hutzpa]

27. You guys are some peice of work

I strongly believe we have neo-cons posuing as Dems,

thats just me.

[BearSquirrel2]

34. I'm not endorsing it ...

I think that is what they will say. The GOP smear machine is a nasty bunch of cusses.

[saltpoint]

30. The Obama camp, were he to go on to be our nom, has only to

heavily, heavily cover his years working to build communities in Chicago.

Service to one's neighbors is also service to one's country, and I see no reason why it can't be a primary definitional theme for us in 08.

As opposed (especially) to Bush's bullshit "faith-based initiatives" of the past 8 or so years.

[TexasObserver]

2. No. We'll beat McCain like a rented mule.

[BeHereNow]

5. Please elaborate as to HOW?

You've got frothing Hill-bots and Obama-rots
splitting the Democratic party votes- add Nader
who will once again gain his share of green votes
and McCain with virtually NO opposition within his
party- HOW do YOU see this ending?

BHN

[TexasObserver]

12. If Obama wins, we win big. If Clinton wins, harder, but I still think we can win it.

Internecine warfare is the stuff of contested primaries. Most voters are not posting here, or anywhere. If everyone here who claims they won't vote for the nominee votes for Nader or McCain, it won't matter, even if they're telling the truth, which they're not.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

4. McCain is not going to be president - he may drop out

[BeHereNow]

7. Uh-huh- Poppy Bush endorses a candidate who is dropping out?

NOT likely.

BHN

[Rosa Luxemburg]

10. think he may be losing his touch

[BeHereNow]

17. You should think again-

Poppy Inc. IS and has been running the show for DECADES.
BHN

[skipos]

6. Get ye to intrade.com and make yourself some big $$$

Odds of a McCain presidency are @ 33% there. Put your money where your mouth is and if you are right, you'll double it.
Thank me later.

[BeHereNow]

8. LOL- thanks for the tip

Mind you- I ABHOR the thought of a McCain/Jeb administration!
But frankly, I don't see how the democrats will win
when we are split between the two Trilateral Commission
candidates, and now, Nader greenites and McCain virtually has no contender!

Someone explain it to me differently!
PLEASE.

BHN

[eileen_d]

11. I doubt the Democratic Party will remain as divided as GD:P is

after the convention. And I doubt Nader will be a major factor in this year's election. Can I convince you? Probably not. :evilgrin:

[BeHereNow]

14. You are mistaken about Nader naivety.

I almost wonder if he is not being paid to split the vote again.

Trust me, there are PLENTY of dumb asses who will vote for him.

BHN

[eileen_d]

16. He wasn't a factor in 2004

Why would he be in 2008?

[BeHereNow]

18. You are joking, right?

I know PLENTY of people who voted for him.
And you say he was not a factor?

BHN

[eileen_d]

22. But did he affect the overall outcome of the election?

Did he cause Kerry to lose? Wasn't his total percentage less than one? Just saying...

[tritsofme]

28. He got 0.38 of the national popular vote in 2004.

Not a factor.

He is irrelevant.

[casus belli]

38. .38% is not a factor

Adding all of his votes back into the Democratic side of the contest would not have won us any of the states he ran in in 04. He's a non-issue. Most of the country, Republicans included, realize that we've been truly screwed for the last 8 years. I find it highly unlikely that he'll garner any more support than he did in 04, especially since people aren't as willing to throw their votes away on a side-show campaign.

If he wanted to be relevant, he should have picked his races more carefully. Perot's running comes to mind. He gained a much better share of voters than anyone thought he would...but his second attempt was just a novelty by comparison. Nader, likewise, got around 2.5% or so of the popular vote in 2000, but his run in 04 only got him .38% of the popular vote. I'd be surprised in he managed .05% this run. And, you have to factor in that McCain owes a great deal of his support to independents. His vote is going to be fractured as well. I wouldn't be surprised if some disillusioned Ron Paul supporters flipped to Nader, either.

[Warren Stupidity]

40. You are uninformed.

[angie_love]

13. I'm going to be objective here

McCain PROS: the media LOVES him. He caters to them, he talks to them, he has the media on his side. Hes known as the maverick, that will be appealing to the centrist dems. He has "national security" credentials. Hes seen as a straight shooter, honest, likeable.

McCain CONS: He has a bad temper. He looks really old, not elderly statesman but just too old to be prez. Hes beholden to lobbyists which some ppl will be turned off by. His cheating might be a factor to some family oriented folks.


Obama PROS: McCain will be going up against a Financial juggernaut. Obama is nearing 1 million donors and we have not even hit the GE yet. Obama can blow McCain away with all the advertising he can do. Obama is also seen as honest, a person of integrity, likeable. Hes seen as a uniter. Hes a good looking (but not weirdly perfect like Romney) guy in a quirky way and that makes him seem more likeable. Hes also got a good sense of humor. His ground operation is brilliant and organized. His supporters are passionate, and that is important for a ground operation.

Obama CONS: The media will turn against him, they're already starting to. Repugs will point to his little experience and straight liberal voting record. Repugs will also paint him as an unpatriotic muslim with ties to Farrakahn (all untrue but this is how he will get swiftboated). Rezco MIGHT be a problem.

If Obama can weather the attacks he'll do fine but it will be a long, hard fought battle. The biggest advantage he has going for him is that hes outraising McCain 2:1 or even 3:1. With his ads he can take McCain out. The only thing that bothers me is that I don't know if he'll go negative. HE NEEDS TO GO NEGATIVE to take McCain OUT. Its the only way. If he can do that, we can win.

[BeHereNow]

15. Uh, and what about the Hill-bots?

Sorry but just how do you see Obama taking the lead
when there are still so many cultists willing to die for
the Queen-of-Walmart and Nafta-New-World-Order-globalization-
fuck-American-jobs?

BHN

[angie_love]

21. Look, exist polls in all the dem states show 7 out of 10 dems being happy with both our candidates

Some Hillary supporters will never vote for Obama. But most Hillary supporters will go to Obama b/c he is a democrat. 3 months from now, it will look very different from how it does now. DU is not representative of the real world. People are passionate right now, in a few months that will subside.

If Obama loses b/c some traitorous Hillary supporters vote for McCain, then all of us dems will remember that and refuse her chances of claiming the nomination in 2012. But I hope it does not come to that. I think by the time the convention rolls around we will be united.

[AndyTiedye]

32. 7 Out of 10 Isn't Good Enough. We Need 9 Out of 10 to Win

[PassingFair]

23. They can't very well vote for her AFTER the primary....

Even a RABID Dean supporter like ME...
worked for Kerry.

And I will vote for the Dem nominee.

[billyoc]

25. I see about 15 of them. But you're right about Fleischer. The 527

money ready to elect McCain runs into the billions. With a 'b'.

[Dark]

26. Yea, but they can't start funding him until september.

And a lot of companies are more interested in placing their bets with a winner.

[AndyTiedye]

31. The 527s Didn't Wait Until September to Swift Boat Kerry in 2004

The Swift Boating started the day after Kerry was nominated.

[AndyTiedye]

33. A 3 to 1 Fundraising Advantage For the Democrats Means Less Than One Might Think

It is a good sign that so many people are willing to contribute to the Democratic candidate.

It means very little in terms of ability to get our message out though.
A few hundred million is a drop in the bucket when it comes to buying TV time.

The Repiggies don't need to buy TV time, they own all the networks.
If each network shills for the Repigs for only an hour a day
5 networks * 30 days = 150 hours = 9000 minutes.

Network TV advertising costs up to a million dollars a minute.
That's for prime time, it goes down a bit off-prime.
For us to buy one hour of ad time on each network each day would cost at least 4 BILLION DOLLARS a month.

They get more than that every month for free from the networks.

[Johnny__Motown]

19. We are split because Hillary is a slime machine who's ego won't let her grasp the truth

[KittyWampus]

20. You're uniformed. Educate yourself HOW Obama is winning primaries & his organizational skills

you are not just a cynic.

You're not a well informed one.

I posted a thread about what Obama's campaign is doing across the country. Organizing a grass roots movement of EDUCATED and TRAINED volunteers.

Unless you know about what his campaign is ACTUALLY doing, your opinion is worthless.

[BeHereNow]

24. Oh yeah, I can't wait for a Brezezinski advised president!

Do you know WHO Brezezinski IS and what he represents?
Talk about UN informed.

BHN

[Hippo_Tron]

35. If by New World Order you mean post 1945 world order, then yes

And if there was a real debate over whether we should overthrow the post 1945 world order (which is basically US supremacy) then it would have met serious opposition by now. But an overwhelming majority of Americans enjoy being number one and so that isn't going to change any time soon.

If you have a problem with American supremacy then my all means don't vote for a Democrat. While I have a few problems with it myself, I also don't see any realistic alternatives at the time and I do see value in letting Albright, Holbrooke, and Brzezinski advise our foreign policy rather than Wolfowitz, Cheney, and Perle.

Yes I'm aware that Brzezinski was a huge player in arming the Mujahdeen and so was pretty much everybody else at the time. The Carter Administration also had the most progressive foreign policy of any cold war administration.

[intaglio]

36. It is a mistake to try and convince a pesimist and

conspiracy theorist. Please take your meds and you'll be fine. The world will seem a perfect place. Ignore the Pods growing behind the house ...

[cali]

37. Sorry, I don't bother with people who are

so delusional that they actually think they have a working crystal ball. Furthermore, your post doesn't actually make a point. Yes, Obama has Brezezinsky- who was against the Iraq war. He also has Richard Clark, Samantha Power and Anthony Lake. Nader is irrelevant. He won't be on many state ballots and most people could care less about him at this point. Just because you know a handful of people who will vote for him, does not signify that the electorate at large will.

[Warren Stupidity]

39. Uh, I'm pretty sure that we will be down to one candidate

in a matter of a few days. It is rather unlikely that Democrats will be split between two tweedle-dee tweedle-dum candidates in November. Nope, I'm convinced it will be exactly one tweedle-dee tweedle-dum candidate. However, you are correct that Nader will hurt us as he will take less than 0.5% of the total vote from our candidate. McStain is damaged goods. Right now he is pushing the 'poor little me victimized by the evil NYT' thing, but the damage is just starting and the victimization schtick is going to get mighty lame as the crap piles up around him. McSplain is in deep doo-doo. Every mention of the word 'Bush' anywhere near 'McLame' is another 100,000 votes over to the other side.

Chill dude, it is going to be just fine.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Nad(i)r Should Be A Non Factor

Obama should beat McCain but it will not be easy and it is not guaranteed... Lyndon Johnson was the last Democrat to win a real popular vote majority and that was forty years ago...