Puerto Rico's delegates "winner take all"?

[Blondiegrrl]

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_democratic_primary#Puerto_Rico_issue

Puerto Rico issue
Journalists at several news outlets have indicated that in the tradition of the island's party politics, Puerto Rico's 63 delegates will all be awarded to a single candidate and not necessarily follow the majority of the popular vote. This would give Puerto Rico Democratic Party leaders the greatest single influence in the 2008 primary, with a 43% greater disparity than the California primary produced. In contrast, the party's Delegate Selection Plan states that delegates are to be allocated in a manner similar to other state caucuses.

Does anyone have any more information about this?

[Yael]

1. The Clinton Camp had people in PR before they even looked into the Texas

delegate allocation rules.

That is the next firewall.

[Blondiegrrl]

6. Interesting. So it's true then.

I've read that Puerto Rico is one of the territories that is expected to go to Hillary in the primaries.

Fortunately, for Obama, I think she'll bomb so badly nearly everywhere else that it still won't matter.

[Yael]

10. No clue. The governor endorsed Obama.

I have no idea how much weight that pulls though.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/Puerto_Rico_Governor_to_endorse_Obama.html

[Cha]

19. Well, that pretty good..I did

not know that..yay! Especially considering that the clintonians have been noted to be down there for a while.

[stahbrett]

7. The preferred term is "pared del fuego" in Puerto Rico

:D

[Yael]

12. Roger that!

5 years of JrHi/HS spanish and I can barely order una cerveza and ask donde esta el bano.

:D

[Cha]

21. Of course..pared del fuego..

they could use that in parts of Tejas too.

[DesertFlower]

2. wow. that's a lot of delegates. nt

[Kittycat]

3. PR Is NOT winner take all.

Search wiki some more for it. I found it a couple weeks ago.

[Blondiegrrl]

14. I can't find anything else on it. That's why I was asking you guys, lol. nt

[Cha]

25. Well, I'm glad you asked the question,

Blondie, 'cause look how much we learned:)

[Kittycat]

30. No problem - here's the link.

Sorry, didn't mean to sound derogatory about it. Here's a link to a post I made on the subject. HTH :)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4570782

ETA: OOps. looks like I'm late :)

[Blondiegrrl]

35. Thanks for the link! nt

[Yael]

16. I actually heard that it was. It was in the "PR Clinton Office opening"

news blurb from a few weeks ago. (The next firewall blather).

Let me see if I can find it. Problem is I don't remember which Clinton staffer was dispatched to go there.

[tammywammy]

27. Yael

It's not winner take all, though Clinton was apparently trying to spin it that way a few weeks ago.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4568877

[Yael]

34. Thanks sis!

[quantass]

4. Would be fun but it will never get to that -- Obama time

[smalll]

5. Winner take all, baby! Stick THAT in your iPods and smoke it!

I just pray Hillary can hold on until then. Winner take all in Puerto Rico -- where the electorate is Latino, heavily tied to New York, and where latte liberals are as rare as hen's teeth.

If she can just hold on, Puerto Rico will be karmic balance for all these goddam "open" goddam caucuses we've had this year!

[ButterflyBlood]

9. Except it's not winner take all

See post #8.

[scheming daemons]

13. A) Not winner take all B) you'd be surprised at how popular Obama is there...

....see my other post.

[Blondiegrrl]

24. I'm puzzled by this "latte liberal" myth.

My 31-year-old husband is a registered Independent. White, doesn't have a college degree, and earns roughly $20,000 a year. He's an Obama supporter.

I'm a white woman, 36 years old, and net about $28,000 a year as a journalist. (I do, however, have a college degree.) I'm an Obama supporter.

The claim that Obama supporters are all either wealthy or young college kids is just ridiculous.

[Alhena]

36. Ha! You were excited for a second there weren't you? Unfortunately, reality

sets in and your are left with the true facts- proportional allocation.

Learn the true facts before you taunt.

[ButterflyBlood]

8. I don't know where this myth came from, but it's not true.

The Puerto Rico Senatorial District Caucuses convene. The caucuses choose Puerto Rico's 55 Pledged delegates to the Democratic National Convention. A mandatory 15 percent threshold is required in order for a presidential contender to be allocated National Convention delegates at either the senatorial district or islandwide level.

36 district delegates are proportionally allocated by senatorial district (Puerto Rico has no congressional districts).

* District 1 San Juan: 4
* District 2 Bayamón: 5
* District 3 Arecibo: 4
* District 4 Mayagüez: 4
* District 5 Ponce: 4
* District 6 Guayama: 4
* District 7 Humacao: 4
* District 8 Carolina: 4

In addition, 12 at-large and 7 Pledged PLEOs are proportionally allocated by the islandwide vote.

* 12 at-large National Convention delegates
* 7 Pledged PLEOs

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/PR-D.phtml

[scheming daemons]

18. Obama, by my own observation while vacationing there, will win in...

San Juan (cosmopolitan area, more english speaking, more politically literate)

Arecibo (lots of college-aged kids and "intellectuals" working at the Observatory)

Carolina (eastern suburb of San Juan)


The other areas would probably be stronger for Hillary, simply because they are mostly poor and non-English speaking and a lot may have never heard of Obama yet. Name recognition would be tough for him there... but by 6/7, that may be different.

[Blondiegrrl]

33. Thanks for breaking it down by the numbers.

Guess Wikipedia was wrong. (Shocking!)

[scheming daemons]

11. I just vacationed in PR last week.....

Stayed in Fajardo.... beautiful place.


Asked several people what they thought of the election.


I think Hillary's people would be surprised at the results. LOTS and LOTS of Obama signs - many of them homemade - on people's porches and lawns.

Not a single Hillary sign.

I wore an Obama button on my shirt one night and got at least four "Gobama!" calls from locals.


She may be ahead there... especially in the rural areas where not much English is spoken. But in the more "cosmopolitan" areas of San Juan and northeastern PR, Obama is BIG!

...and on Vieques island.... he is REALLY big. He's the only candidate who has addressed their concerns about the radioactivity problem they have there that is left over from the U.S. weapons testing on the island from 1909 to 1975.


With all the "Latinos love Hillary" stuff I read and heard before going there, I was VERY pleasantly surprised at the Obama support.


But not to worry... Obama will have the nomination long before PR comes into play.

[woolldog]

26. People think Carribean Hispanics are the same

as Mexican Hispanics.

HRC's people think all Hispanics are the same. So they think HRC is popular among "Hispanics" therefore she will do well in Puerto Rico b/c it has a lot of Hispanics. It's not that simple.

I've said before I think Puerto Rico will be a landslide for Obama if it gets to that point.

[Yael]

28. Thanks for that report!

I haven't been to San Juan in about 10 years. Glad you were able to make the trip!

[Blondiegrrl]

29. Wow, that's great. Thanks for the update.

I'd love to visit Puerto Rico some day.

[Cha]

31. Happy you got to go down on your vaca..

We had a guy in the co-op Sat who was all tan and talking about how great Vieques was getting it away from it all. Glad to hear your experience with seeing the Obama signs..they're everywhere!

[TAWS]

15. If the race lasts till June, our party will be in big trouble

It's the last place holding a primary contest.

[City Lights]

17. Look at the footnotes.

The "journalists" they cite are David Brooks and Michael Barone. :puke:

Then there's this:

In contrast, the party's Delegate Selection Plan states that delegates are to be allocated in a manner similar to other state caucuses.

From their plan (link through footnotes):

The Delegate Selection Plan for Puerto Rico provides for its pledged delegates to be allocated proportionally to presidential preferences based on Senatorial District Caucuses on June 7, 2008.

District-level delegates and alternates will be selected by Senate District Electors in Senate District Caucuses at the Puerto Rico Democratic Assembly on June 21, 2008. Puerto Rico's Democratic Assembly, an equivalent of a State Convention, will select the unpledged add-on delegate, pledged party leader and elected official delegates and at-large delegates and alternate on June 21, 2008. In addition, Puerto Rico's delegation includes unpledged delegates.

The delegation will select the standing committee members and the Delegation Chair at a meeting following the Puerto Rico Democratic Assembly on June 21, 2008. The State Chair will name Puerto Rico's Convention Pages at that time.

[tammywammy]

20. It's not winner take all

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4568877

[tekisui]

22. PR is NOT Winner Take ALL.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/PR-D.phtml

55 Pledged Delegates from a closed caucus, not winner take all.

[Blondiegrrl]

32. Ahhh ... thanks for the info. nt

[Yael]

23. I google'd this -- which brought me right back here. LOL!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4568877

[MzShellG]

37. Paging Katz.....

Maybe he can offer some clarification. I believe he is from there. :shrug: