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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:12 AM
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Poll question: If you were attacking a candidate, would you falsely claim he said a 12 year old wanted to be raped?
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 02:13 AM by Kurt_and_Hunter
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:18 AM
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1. This story needs to be dropped
It's old - it was 35 years ago, it's inflammatory, and it has no bearing on Hillary's ability to be president.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:19 AM
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2. i agree
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Johnny__Motown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:21 AM
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3. I disagree, a person's character is a person's character. This clearly speaks to character
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:28 AM
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6. Then it speaks highly of her character
since she was just DOING HER JOB.
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:22 AM
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4. YES! Lying rules.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:25 AM
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5. I want to know the basis for her assertion:
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 02:32 AM by dkf
"I have been informed that the complainant is emotionally unstable with a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing," wrote Rodham, without referring to the source of that allegation. "I have also been informed that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body."

Just noticed the article is on Drudge.

I have a feeling we are going to find out what really happened.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:57 AM
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10. Obviously such a history wouldn't justify rape,
but if it's true, and these things do occasionally happen, and she was obligated to her duty as an attorney, it's hard to see how this reflects poorly on her personally, other than pointing out that, well, hey, she was a lawyer. And I'm a strong Obama supporter.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:04 AM
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14. No, I'm wondering if Hillary made it up
or based it on assertions that were not credible to support her getting a psych evaluation on the victim.

The victim says there was nothing in her past to justify this line.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:13 AM
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18. The judge apparently did grant an evaluation, results of which
were destroyed by the flood, as well as other documents in the case.
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:19 AM
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19. The judge granted it based on Hillary's assertions.
I'm sure if Hillary put this case in Living History, she remembers quite a bit. She just has to be asked.

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Obamaman2008 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:06 AM
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16. Is having sex with a little girl that wanted to have sex get her client off from rape? I think not!
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:35 AM
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7. So how would you summarize this:


Rodham, records show, questioned the sixth grader's honesty and claimed she had made false accusations in the past. She implied that the girl often fantasized and sought out "older men" like Taylor, according to a July 1975 affidavit signed "Hillary D. Rodham" in compact cursive.


Rodham was suggesting the 12 year old "sought out older men" or in other words "wanted to be raped".
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Tarc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:53 AM
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8. I would summarize it as a lawyer doing her job
If you do not do all that you can to defend your client then it opens the door to potential appeals down the road.

That's the great thing about this country, that the law protects even the lowest dirtbags of society and gives them their day in court.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:55 AM
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9. !!
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dkf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:00 AM
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11. I think we would agree though, that her assertion
that the 12 year old had "a tendency to seek out older men and to engage in fantasizing" needed to be legitimately backed along with the the assertion "that she has in the past made false accusations about persons, claiming they had attacked her body".

Hillary signed an affidavit attesting to these allegations.
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Obamaman2008 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:03 AM
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13. Didn't matter what she WANTED she was a little girl. It was still the same crime
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Obamaman2008 Donating Member (233 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:02 AM
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12. How exactly, would her "wanting it" justify sex with a little girl?
I mean really? Would that sway you as s juror. Would you honestly say, "Well, if the the littl girl wanted the sex, and looked at him in sexy, the he clearly it is her fault."

No, it is the same crime, regardless of the intent or wishes of the little girl. She was a little girl and didn't know any better. She cannot consent.

What Hillary did was revenge on a little girl for telling on her client. That is all it was. And I is telling of a person's character.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:12 AM
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17. I honestly don't know what it is that you are discussing.
From reading the article, it is my understanding that her client was not admitting to having sex with the girl, consensual or otherwise.
Furthermore, considering this was over 30 years ago, the laws on statutory rape might have been different than they are now.
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Quixote1818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 03:06 AM
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15. I agree, thats why I don't understand why the OP here thinks any of that was stated
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 03:10 AM by Quixote1818
in a false manor. When I set up the poll I expected it to be split down the middle in responses because I know how the law works and that sometimes lawyers have to ask tough questions. As someone pointed out, perhaps the girl had seduced him. If that happened then those questions need to be brought out in the open as they may effect how the jury charges the offender. Did he tie her down and force her or did she want to be with him? Either way she was under age but was he aggressive or not?

However, if she didn't seduce him and there was no evidence she did and Hillary took this road then that would be wrong. I don't know if any of us know enough about the case to make a judgment either way.
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