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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:09 PM
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there is an article at Asia Times on Obama's women's secret


http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JB26Aa01.html

Obama's women reveal his secret


-snip-

We know less about Senator Obama than about any prospective president in American history. His uplifting rhetoric is empty, as Hillary Clinton helplessly protests. His career bears no trace of his own character, not an article for the Harvard Law Review he edited, or a single piece of legislation. He appears to be an empty vessel filled with the wishful thinking of those around him. But there is a real Barack Obama. No man - least of all one abandoned in infancy by his father - can conceal the imprint of an impassioned mother, or the influence of a brilliant wife.

-snip-
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some of you will hate this article and some of you will welcome the information

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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:15 PM
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1. This is an anti-American article w/Obama thrown in to entice people
like you. And Michelle 'bitchslapped' her husband?


"For some reason this guy still can't manage to put the butter up when he makes toast, secure the bread so that it doesn't get stale, and his five-year-old is still better at making the bed than he is."

I'm sure that will resonate with the public, how devastating! :rofl:
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:15 PM
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2. Wow, you're right, I didn't like it.
This is total raciest bullshit. I wonder what this line means:

"-his late mother, the went-native anthropologist Ann Dunham-"

Is there something I'm missing here? What does the writer mean by "went-native"? Perhaps I'm not smart enough to understand, but seriously, what does it mean?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:31 PM
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9. that's what anthropologists do - try to become one with the people

they are studying yet keep an observing eye on how the people being studied do things.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:35 PM
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11. I'm sure that's what it meant. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Faygo Kid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:16 PM
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3. Alert sent. His dead mother was a "fellow traveler?"
What a repugnant piece of trash.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:21 PM
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8. That's Info From Wikipedia
Not much to be done about it, unless you can convince Wiki editors to wipe it.
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:17 PM
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4. Interesting
But it's not really information as much as it might be considered a hit piece. But that seems to be to ongoing trend.
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:19 PM
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5. And by the way-
Who in the HELL would rec this kind of shit?
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riverwalker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:20 PM
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6. Who is author, "by Spengler"
the author of the piece remains anonymous "by Spengler" I never heard of him/her. Nothing more than a glorified RW blogger?
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:34 PM
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10. Splengler is a regular and popular columnist for A Times
nt
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calmblueocean Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:47 PM
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14. Spengler is a pseudonym for a hack too cowardly to sign his real name.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 12:54 PM by calmblueocean
His essays are all like this. He namedrops obscure historical references like Lyndon Larouche in order to give himself credibility, but he won't publish under his real name. He may be a 25-year-old kid with a gift for Google, or a group of writers. No one really knows. What we do know is that he has an enormous opinion of himself and thinks that Western culture is in decline. His only criticism of the neocons is that they were incompetent and not bloodthirsty enough. He is a grotesque character, more revolting than I'm sure the OP was even aware of.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:54 PM
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15. I'm well aware of his writing - didn't he name himself or A Times

named him recently or something like that. several mos. ago.?

A Times mailbag gets quite lively after his articles come out. and I've noticed that his articles prompt other articles at A Times and elsewhere.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:20 PM
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7. Thanks for the poorly written hit piece.
Racist and misogynist to boot.
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:39 PM
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13. I posted this because A Times is read world wide and wouldn't

you want to know what is being said about our situation.

in order to save and heal the earth all the countries need to talk to each other and everyone.

we need a prez that will know how to do that.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:06 PM
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16. I know, I know, it is alway just about getting the information out.
The misogyny in that article alone should have deterred you from posting it
on a democratic site. It is gross and vile or did you just miss that aspect
of this trash piece.
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 12:38 PM
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12. I don't know who the author of this piece is
But apparantly he's been dead since 1936:


But it's one of the most bizarre, incomprehensible hit pieces I've ever read.

The author's intent is obviously to try to slander Obama by "calling Obama's father a drunkard, Obama's mother a Communist ho, and his wife a bitch-slapping resentful dominatrix" from http://spengler.atimes.net/viewtopic.php?t=8309".

...
"Barack Obama is a clever fellow who imbibed hatred of America with his mother's milk, but worked his way up the elite ladder of education and career. He shares the resentment of Muslims against the encroachment of American culture, although not their religion. He has the empathetic skill set of an anthropologist who lives with his subjects, learns their language, and elicits their hopes and fears while remaining at emotional distance. That is, he is the political equivalent of a sociopath. The difference is that he is practicing not on a primitive tribe but on the population of the United States.
..."

Bizarre, that's all I have to say about it.



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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:15 PM
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17. Donsu, you helped me prove a point to myself. Sadly.
When I logged on this afternoon there was a flap about the Obama 'native' photos and is Hillary to blame?

I wasn't on top of what was going on, didn't know what brought this about, but figured I'd head to The Greatest page because whenever something like this comes to the fore, those opposed to the candidate in question gleefully spread the dirt. Nice way to think of many of my fellow DUers, but I was right.

This post of yours, though..... your cohorts should be proud.


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bridgit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:17 PM
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18. Articles in Asia Times have been well recieved when they've dealt w/America's...
status as not-so-jolly green giant stomping round the world wasting inncent blood and hard earned money. That they would begin to delineate what may seem yet another Amercian politican and the reservation of their truer intent is within that journalistic model as well, such as it is.
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tblue37 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:35 PM
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19. BS: This is the sort of author you are quoting--
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 01:36 PM by tblue37
Look at some of the drivel he spouts:
Since the Ronald Reagan boom began in 1984, the year the American stock market doubled, Americans have enjoyed a quarter-century of rising wealth. Even the collapse of the Internet bubble in 2000 did not interrupt the upward trajectory of household assets, as the housing price boom eclipsed the effect of equity market weakness.
<snip>

Americans regard upward mobility as a God-given right. America had a double founding, as David Hackett Fischer showed in his 1989 study, Albion's Seed . Two kinds of immigrants founded America: religious dissidents seeking a new Promised Land, and economic opportunists looking to get rich quick. Both elements still are present, but the course of the past quarter-century has made wealth-creation the sine qua non of American life. Now for the first time in a generation Americans have become poorer, and many of them have become much poorer due to the collapse of home prices. Unlike the Reagan years, when cutting the top tax rate from a punitive 70% to a more tolerable 40% was sufficient to start an economic boom, no lever of economic policy is available to fix the problem. Americans have no choice but to work harder, retire later, save more and retrench (emphasis added).
Someone that full of caca has nothing to say that we should be interested in reading.
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NancyG Donating Member (483 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:49 PM
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20. What a piece of shit...
and better to have heads up about what shit will spew.
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