The Hillary haters are out in full force. Continuing to buy into RW propaganda as long

[jlake]

as it favors Obama. So many of the longtime Hillary supporters are leaving.... Obama folks, He cannot win if he alienates half of the party. Please quite tearing this party apart.

[scheming daemons]

1. The Obama haters are out in full force. Continuing to buy into RW propaganda as long

as it favors Clinton. So many of the longtime Obama supporters are leaving.... Clinton folks, she cannot win if she alienates half of the party. Please quit tearing this party apart.




(See how well that pablum works both ways?)

[jlake]

2. No, I am sorry but that is simply not true.

[Occam Bandage]

12. Seems it is. The photo has only ever surfaced before in an anti-Obama hit piece about al-Qaeda.

[MNDemNY]

40. That's a lie. You Know it.

You are a liar.

[Occam Bandage]

44. The "previous publication" that HRC shills are hyping is a National Enquirer piece about

Obama's "al-Qaeda ties." What other publication are you referring to?

[jlake]

48. the NE is "anti Obama" wow.

[JackORoses]

14. do you deny that Clinton staffers sent this photo to reporters?

[Occam Bandage]

16. Hillary doesn't deny it; why should he?

[JackORoses]

25. exactly. he cannot, so all his potential arguments are rendered null.

;)

[jlake]

31. Yeah, okay.

[JackORoses]

32. so you deny that Hillary staffers sent the photo?

or do you just ignore the facts and hold your breath like a good little Hillarite?

[jlake]

33. I just can't believe that you Obama groupies would trust Drudge more than Hillary.

It says more about you than it does Hillary.

[JackORoses]

38. We are not trusting Drudge. Hillary's camp was asked specifically to deny this.

They could not.
We are basing our outrage on the fact that non-denial is equivalent to acceptance.

We could never create such a perfect microcosm of what Hillary is.
Behold, America! See what she is willing to stoop to.

Hillary has met her Waterloo in this despicable action.

[lapfog_1]

37. Give me a break. Clinton has done nothing but go negative since

the debate in Texas. She has so far floated no less than 5 different "turds" into the punch bowl since Austin.

1) She mocks Obama supporters for being both duped and naive.

2) She floated the "Obama doesn't support Israel and is anti-Semitic" turd.

3) She becomes overly angry about 2 fliers that Obama sent out... and worse, she pretends that she has "just been handed" these fliers and is talking to a crowd (the the governor nodding like a bobble head doll in the background)... only other photos taken of the even clearly shows that she is addressing a press conference, a press conference called for her to "tee off" with false outrage over the fliers.

4) Her campaign floats this "see Obama IS an Islamic extremist, err, make that Muslim" photo

5) Her campaign is also touting what Nation of Islam Louis Farrakhan speech calling Obama the "Light of the World" as if Senator Obama either asks for or can control what Mr. Farrakhan says.

There are so many turds it's hard for anyone to focus on any of them for very long. Which is the plan. Float the next one before anyone has a chance to either debunk or defend from the last one. If someone points out that Obama has the support of AIPAC and has been very pro-Israel... it's just so yesterdays news. But the unanswered turds do stick in the minds of voters, just a little, even if debunked. This is why "swiftboating" and going negative works. You make up some half truths or even outright lies and spread them around enough to get people who really don't have time to dig for the truth to say "really? Are you sure? Well, that's something to think about!" only they never really do think about it. But it enters the subconscious and when the time comes to vote... they think about it finally but say "well, it wasn't really proven one way or the other, just to be safe, I'll vote for his opponent".

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

45. are you aware of Clinton/McCain campaign advisors' relationship?

Mark Penn's lobbying shop is headed by John McCain's top adviser" »

http://www.obamaiswinning.com/2008/02/mark-penns-lobb.html

[maximusveritas]

3. The Clinton campaign is defending what they did

You can no longer hide behind this issue of whether the story is true or not. It is.

[Tennessee Gal]

5. What did they do? The photo has been out for a long time.

I saw it myself weeks ago. I have no problem with it.

[maximusveritas]

17. It was just in the National Enquirer, so most Americans haven't seen it

and even then, they wouldn't take it seriously.
The point of this was to get it into the mainstream media, including the televised media where it can have more of an impact.

[jlake]

23. Oh, but you think Hillary did it? I think this is a RW setup... 2 birds with one stone and all that.

[Zachstar]

6. Indeed

Yet the bad Clinton supporters are in full "Scorched Earth" mode in my view. Too bad they wont accept defeat and try to pull together plans for 2012.

These topics and all the crap Clinton is doing now will haunt her in 2012.

[jlake]

8. What do you claim they did? I saw that photo WEEKS AGO - in the National Enquirer.

[Occam Bandage]

15. In a story about Obama's "al-Qaeda ties," right? A right-wing smear story, right?

Is that where they got it?

[Barack_America]

4. This interview is right wing propaganda?

Which one belongs to the right wing? The Clinton adviser? Newsweek? Both?

[HeraldSquare212]

7. And I guess up is down in Hillaryland, also?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

9. So, what do we know about Drudge’s source?

The “story” (offered by Drudge as almost a blind item) is that someone received an email from a Clinton staffer that included the photo taken from the internet. Was this a one-on-one personal correspondence, an email sent to three or four friends, or what? Not specified.

We know that it was not a “broadcast” spam email, and we know it was not something sent to a bunch of media outlets. It’s a “Drudge Exclusive,” and there are not a hundred blogs saying, “I got that same email!”

So someone got an email from a Clinton staffer or “staffers” (a population described as being at least 700 people) with a photo in it that was taken from the internet where it has been kicking around for a year and a half. We are not talking about proprietary photographs taken by campaign operatives hiding behind potted palms… we are talking about a person linking a photograph from an article on the internet.

And either that recipient forwarded it to Drudge, or someone with access to that recipient’s email forwarded it to Drudge. Drudge's source is either an over-zealous Obama supporter, a deranged Hillary hater or a Republican sympathizer. (The Obama campaign itself has no interest in the photo being disseminated.)

If your primary intention is to hurt Obama, you do not send the photo to Drudge as something “circulated by Clinton staffers.” You send it as a photo from Geeska Afrika Online Magazine from August of '06.

http://www.geeskaafrika.com/ethiopia_31aug06.htm

The plain purpose of the Drudge piece is to hurt Clinton, AND to hurt Obama.

So we know that either Chris Dodd is plotting a big comeback after taking down Clinton and Obama simultaneously, or the Drudge piece is a Republican stunt. (If I had to guess, I'd look at pug operatives like Roger Stone.)

As for the word choice “circulate”… the Obama photograph has been published on the internet at least three times previously. (Sunniblog.com on Feb 11, National Examiner tabloid, Geeska Afrika Online Magazine) Every person on the Internet (about a billion?) has had access to it since 2006. It is not “leaked.” (I have seen people descibe it as such, which is funny. That’s like me “leaking” something posted in DU last week by linking to it in this post.) Source for partial publishing hiistory: http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/02/the_photo_cont.php

Most Importantly: Let’s say Hillary wants to disseminate this photo of Obama looking like a crazy Muslim. And let’s say that Hillary is in bed with Matt Drudge, and want’s Drudge to disseminate the photo… accepting all of that, why does the Clinton campaign want the photo disseminated by Matt Drudge as something “circulated by Clinton staffers”???

Critical thinking is your friend.

[BlackVelvet04]

18. Well, bless you....

what a great post.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

20. I ran out of posts... it was meant to be an OP

Anyone with posts to spare is welcome (and even encouraged) to repost as an OP.

[BlackVelvet04]

21. Will do.....n/t

[DURHAM D]

10. Its the "Baby on Board" generation.

What else should one expect from such a privileged group but crying and whining and stomping of feet.

They can't help it - they were raised to think they can do no wrong and no criticism of them is legitimate.

[jlake]

30. Apparently. It is really, really sad....... and will be a disasterous game in the GE.

[DURHAM D]

43. Honestly -

sometimes I refer to them as "The Children of the Corn".

[Johnny__Motown]

11. I am not convinced she/they did this, but it does fit her slime throwing pattern. Can't blame people

for believing this after the way she has behaved the last couple of days.

[jlake]

22. Yes, you can blame them. The hatred is blinding.

[Johnny__Motown]

35. If she was not running a slime machine this couldn't happen, you are the one who refuses to see

and there are none so blind as those who refuse to see



If for two days in a row you saw your dog get into the trash, then on the third day you came home to find the trash can overturned and garbage on the floor..... would you blame the cat?

[bunnies]

13. Likewise.

Hillary and her surrogates insulting & demeaning Obama supporters isnt exactly going to win her votes in November.

[shrub chipper]

19. I was a HUGE Clinton supporter

I went to their first inauguraion at my own expense to bask in the joy of a Democratic victory. I stoutly defended them through their beleagured 8 years and had the utmost respect for them.

This time, I have chosen Obama as my candidate and he has never let me down, showing class and grace every time I've seen him. Seeing a positive message made me realize how fatigued I was with the Clintons. Bill's tantrums made me shake my head at how unPresidential he had become and Hillary's dour pragmatism stood in stak contrast to a campaign that asked the best from us all.

This scorched earth Hilary that I've seen unleashed since the Austin debate is something I believe has no place in Democratic Politics. I just wonder where this ire was against the crimes and misdemeanors of Bush?Cheney.

She and the Clinton lagcy are dead to me now...and that makes me sad for them as well as for me.

jlake,
I have read here how you are one of the most reasonable of the Hillary defenders, but I hope you understand how former supporters can just say " ENOUGH ". Please don't buy into these tactics that the Mark Penns of the World are unleashing on fellow Democrats. Democrats are better than that and desreve better from their candidates.

[ProSense]

24. Hillary's dirty politics blew up in her face:

Hillary Clinton woos man who nearly ruined her husband

Earlier this month, Ms Clinton's staff leaked campaign fundraising data to the website just as her rival for the nomination, Barack Obama, was to deliver a policy speech on Iraq - and a crucial 20 minutes before the official release of the information. The story on Ms Clinton's fundraising prowess dominated the news cycle.

Mark Penn is in bed with Drudge.

Obama's campaign would not connect Hillary to the story without validation.

It has happened before and Axelrod denounced the attempts to link Hillary's campaign to an attack:

The article further reported that Obama strategist David Axelrod said he did not "believe ... for a second" the allegation that Clinton's camp was behind the story.

This latest incident is different in that it comes on the heels of Hillary's campaign and her surrogates promoting Obama's ties to "former members of a radical domestic terrorist group."

[jlake]

27. This is clearly a Plouffe/Drudge Joint.

[ProSense]

36. Hillary got caught and is in damage control! n/t

[RiverStone]

26. Calling to end the alienation by insulting others will never work

Nobody is listening!!!!

Believe it or not jlake, many of us Obama supporters do not HATE Hillary.

Obama is probably about a 90% odds on favorite to get the nomination at this point, but Hillary would get my vote as well.

Advocating to stop the contentious bullshit by posting more of the same is simply...:silly:

[jlake]

28. If you don't hate Hillary this does not apply to you. In fact, I think a large group

of "Obama supporters" on here are anything but.

But what I speak of is certainly happening.

[RiverStone]

34. Then focus on the positive

Glad your not using a broad brush.

And it may be happening with a few, but why emphasis it?

We all need to work together eventually...:pals:

[jlake]

29. And it looks liker odds are over 20% based on online betting... up sharply today.

[AtomicKitten]

39. Clinton leaks ugly to Drudge because no other respectable news organization will print her nastiness

[Forkboy]

41. Here, you seem like you need this.

[Seabiscuit]

42. I have to wonder whether these "Hillary Haters" are truly Obama supporters or Repub. plants.

Remember that the RW's favorite tactic is to cause chaos and separation. I believe they are trying to destroy our party from within. Don't let them!

[jlake]

47. That's why this whole story seems to be more of a Rovian plot.... 2 birds with one stone.

Obama is a "Muslim" & Hillary is a mean B*tc* who is a hateful racist and will do anything to win.
This whole episode only helps the RW.

[still_one]

46. The "haters" are on both sides, and I will not be dragged into it

I will be proud to vote for WHOEVER the Democratic nominee is, whether it is Barrack or Hillary

I am an Obama supporter, but those Obama supporters who degrade Hillary do NOT speak for me

I also do not agree with Hillary supporters who degrade Barrack in a similiar manner

We are going to win in 2008, both COngress and the Executive Branch

Looking at what we have verses what the republicans have there is a clear choice

It is rather sad that some here on DU believe it elevates their position to slur their opponents

c'est la vie

It won't happen with me