Hysteria in Camp Obama over "the photo" is interesting.

[MoonRiver]

What's the problem? Why are you so afraid for your candidate to be seen in a traditional outfit? Are you worried about Muslim associations with your candidate? Honestly, politicians frequently dress in native attire when traveling abroad. *, for instance, has looked like a total idiot many, many times when visiting foreign lands. I can only deduce that Obama is trying desperately to distance himself from anything "Muslim", and this photo has thrown him for a complete loop.

Me thinks you doth protest too much.

[maddiejoan]

1. It's becoming increasingly obvious

That this is a joint effort between Ploufe and DRUDGE

[Occam Bandage]

16. Funny, you'd think she'd deny her campaign's involvement then.

[maddiejoan]

22. what is there to deny?

That the picture circulated through her e-mails somehow?

The offensive portion of the story is only from DRUDGE.
There is no indication that she intentionally leaked anything --in fact --the picture had already been published in a National Magazine with a circulation of 3 million.
What are they guilty of? Recieving published material and responding to it?

Do you think Obama's campaign staff doesn't circulate pictures of Hillary?

[Occam Bandage]

28. Are you aware of the context in which the Enquirer published that photo?

It was in a smear piece about Obama's "al-Qaeda ties." Still want to claim that the Clinton staffers were kicking that story around?

[maddiejoan]

32. The only thing I'm aware of

is that some Clinton staffer thought that a similarly "unfortunate" photo of Hillary would be all over Time Magazine.

and that's all you know too.

[Occam Bandage]

33. Why is the photo "unfortunate?" I thought the most recent excuse was that

the photo was perfectly fine and Obama supporters were whiners.

[maddiejoan]

34. You're right --I should have put that in quotes

thx.

[polichick]

2. What "hysteria?" nt

[grantcart]

30. hysteria ! hysteria ! isn't that some how sexist?

[apocalypsehow]

Allow me to introduce you to the Clinton's supporters favorite mantra:

"but, that's different....."

[grantcart]

60. god I'm glad i have ignore so I didnt have to look at what followed you.

[rodeodance]

55. such a hollow minded comment. mature folk know it is the context that that

word is used that is sexist.


but you do not fall in that category.

[melody]

3. Where is the hysteria? Incidentally, what do you mean by "methinks"

Are you trying to suggest he is Muslim? Is Hillary?

[Bongo Prophet]

57. I remember some right wingers making fun of that photo of Hillary and Chelsea.

I just see it as respect for the culture, like when you go to a cathedral.
It only resonates to certain people, but those people do vote - and their vote often hinges on subconscious doubts and fears.

The best innuendo comes in parts so small that they seem unconnected, but over time build doubts in the less sophisticated voters' minds.
Each piece can be denied, or claimed to be innocent.
Indeed, it is a twofer - to complain is to be "too PC, too sensitive"
and of course, "Methinks you protest too much"...

Not sure where the emails, rumors, etc are coming from, but the arc of the narrative is pretty clear.


I think the best response is not outrage, but getting the truth out, and showing the manipulation for what it is.

Meanwhile, both Bill and Hillary state outright that Obama is NOT QUALIFIED to be president.
To me, this is the greater concern, and a betrayal of basic principles.
Democrats should NOT do that to a potential nominee - can you imagine Carter, Gore or Kerry doing that?
Me neither.

They have class.

[HereSince1628]

4. If there is hysteria it's a mistake.

So for the past week it's Hillary 3 mistakes Obama 1.

That's probably a ratio that the Obama campaign can get through the tin-foil turban.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

5. Some people take race baiting seriously.

I'm sorry you don't.

[MoonRiver]

8. Take your complaints to Drudge.

They're responsible not Hillary. You're just drinking right-wing kool-aid and getting giddy. It's spiked, doncha know.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

13. Maggie Williams pretty much undermined any hope for denial of Clinton's involvement.

If I'm giddy, it's because you're digging yourself into a hole.

[DURHAM D]

29. Dishonest - Maggie suggested posting pics of Hillary in native attire.

This whole thing just shows how thin skinned the Baby on Board generation really is.

[arewenotdemo]

36. It's the HRC campaign death spiral.

Her supporters here are blacking out.

[rodeodance]

45. so do I and for Obamafolk to call the clinton camp racist is WRONG!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

49. Why don't you take it up with the Clinton camp.

Maybe they shouldn't be race baiting.

[rodeodance]

53. nothing to take up with The C> as you can see that is coming from the many

Obama folk here are DU.

It is vile and it is wrong . Shame on the folks from the Obama camp who are doing this.

[Avalux]

6. It's not about the photo. It's how it's being used and spun by the Clinton campaign.

I happen to think the photo is cool and Obama should be proud of his African heritage. What I don't like however, is the Clinton campaign's completely desperate attempt to use ANYTHING against him - it's so Rove. They are acting like GOPers and as a Democrat, it's repulsive.

[MoonRiver]

12. Of course you have zero evidence of that smear.

But don't let truth and decency get in your way. :thumbsdown:

[Avalux]

20. I'm hearing Clinton's campaign say Obama is embarrassed about the photo.

You know as well as I do that's not the case and saying such a thing stinks.

[MoonRiver]

27. I don't know about BO himself.

But judging from the shrill cries of faux outrage from his supporters on DU, I think his camp is worried.

[Spiffarino]

64. His supporters aren't worried

They're pissed off.

The wordgames HRC's camp are playing makes it plainly obvious that, even if they didn't circulate the photo, they are working overtime to get mileage from it.

If it's proven to have come from HRC or her operatives, her campaign is done. Democrats would prefer her to be attacking Republican policies aggressively, not a Democrat who agrees with her positions 90% of the time.

[maddiejoan]

26. How is it being spun at all by the Clinton Campaign?

The only spin is from Ploufe.

[yellowcanine]

48. If this is not spin Karl Rove is a choir boy.

'Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams tried to turn the tables on Obama's campaign Monday, releasing a blistering statement that did little to disabuse the notion Clinton's staffers were behind the photo's distribution.

“If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely," Williams wrote in an e-mail to reporters. "This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry. We will not be distracted.”'

So exactly what is Maggie Williams defending here?

[maddiejoan]

54. She's not defending

She has nothing that needs defending.

She's attacking.

She's attacking Ploufe for trying to smear Hillary with a DRUDGE article that has nothing behind it.

[yellowcanine]

56. Oh she is defending all right. "If...Obama...is suggesting" That is defending.

And you are in denial.

[rodeodance]

44. and how it is being used and spun?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

7. DUPE! God this is the 14th or 15th thread on this shit

the GDP forum is being clogged up with this shit, time to stop.

Unless people want to distract from the fact that Hillary CAN NOT WIN
at this point.

She would have to get a landslide in Texas AND Ohio.

She can't do it.

[rodeodance]

41. gee, did you miss the 50 threads put out by Obamafolk calling Clinton vile a

racist. etc ect. did you???

[cali]

9. sorry, no hysteria. no problem with the photo

it's troubling however, if Camp clinton is trying to make Obama look "foreign" or "Muslim". And don't mistake high dudgeon here for the Obama campaign. It's not. As for hilly, she's done. it really is over for her. In OH, she's losing ground swiftly and it's all tied up in TX. She has a slim lead in RI and is nearly 30 pts back in VT. That's all she wrote.

[tridim]

10. OK, I'll vote for Hillary now.

:eyes:

I think you know exactly what the "problem" is, if there's a mirror near by I'd suggest taking a quick look.

[democrattotheend]

11. I have no problem with the photo

It's the Clinton campaign's motivation for pushing it that disturbs me.

[NOLALady]

14. Are you sure it's hysteria?

Or it could be :rofl: Is that the best they can do?

[Barack_America]

15. I'm not hysterical, just thoroughly disappointed by Clinton.

How she can condone such tactics and still consider herself a Democrat is beyond me. Unless, of course, the Democratic party is just a 'vehicle' for her.

[Yael]

17. Who is protesting?

I think the photo is cool.

[JackORoses]

18. The dismay is not over the photo, it is over the Clinton campaign's use of the photo

Why are they so desperate to paint Obama as a Muslim?
I can only deduce that they are shit out of ideas.

You know that Hillary will never be a contender again, don't you?

[enki23]

19. right, because we all know that he's secretly a muslim

that's what "me thinks you doth protest too much" refers to. you also know that there are widely published smears of "obama=muslim" out there, and that this is calculated to play right into that bullshit in the minds of the great mass of fucking idiots. but then, you almost certainly knew all that. and that phrase you chose to use is a (slightly) indirect way of saying the same fucking thing. in the unlikely event that you *don't* actually know what you're saying, this may be an education for you. "you doth protest too much" refers to a situation in which someone who is guilty of something is seen to loudly denounce that same behavior. the same phrase is generally leveled at people who, for instance, loudly denounce homosexuality, to imply that they are themselves closeted homosexuals. for instance.

in short, you're saying obama is secretly a muslim, that many of us know or suspect it, and that the loud protests are in fact evidence for exactly what we're denouncing. that, or you don't know what the fuck the words you choose actually mean.

[Vinca]

21. I expect the "he's Barack Hussein Obama, the Muslim terrorist"

from Republicans. I don't expect the Clinton campaign to aid and abet. It's shameful. Obama has stayed away from her personal life and it's disgusting what she's doing to him. On the positive side, if he can withstand the Clinton smear machine, he'll be primed for the Republicans.

[Hobarticus]

23. BREAKING: Drudge now "legitimate news source", says DU GD:P

Drudge says HRC eats puppies....Obama campaign applauds.

What gives around here?

[rodeodance]

51. they need their dose of Clinton hate today.

[HeraldSquare212]

24. Nice try. Keep spinning.

[Obamaniac]

25. MyPetRock, it's time to accept that your candidate is going to lose

No amount of negativity, low blows and cheap shots can change that.

I find it hilarious how Hillary supporters always give themselves high fives after her latest smear job, yet they never ask themselves how effective the attack is.

Most of these attacks, like the ones in Wisconsin, made HILLARY look bad not Obama. It may explain why Hillary lost Wisconsin by 17% and why Obama is closing fast in Texas and Ohio.

[MoonRiver]

31. This thread isn't about whether she wins or loses.

He chances are obviously poor. I know that. I'm just amazed at the extreme reaction about that photo by Obama supporters. Frankly, I would have thought nothing of it had I seen it independent of the hysteria.

[yourguide]

35. It's about how she played the game?

and she played it dirty, just like the republicans do. she is pretty flipping vile.

[MoonRiver]

37. You have no proof she did anything.

Why you are so afraid is what I find interesting.

[yourguide]

52. you are pretty sad.

if you dont see exactly whats going on here I now COMPLETELY understand WHY you are an HRC supporter.

[MoonRiver]

59. And you STILL have no proof,

as demonstrated by your need to insult me rather than document your spin.

[juajen]

62. Then you'll understand why we call you immature and bullies.

You wrap yourselves in minutiae and call it relevant, but steer clear of meaningful discourse. So, in addtion to incessant bullying, you are cowards who will not deal with issues. You hide behind his race, knowing that you can call "racism" any time you like, and, a lot of times, it effectively cuts off criticism. We have your number, and we are no longer afraid to call you the race baiters. I know we have some closet racists on DU, just as we have closet myogonists, but, neither group is in the majority.

We call on you to unwrap your candidate and look at the core of him. Please don't be fooled by outward wrapping, which projects only what the candidate and his team want you to see.

[northzax]

58. are you implying that Matt Drudge would stretch the truth?

well, I never.

[MethuenProgressive]

It was in the National Enquirer (3 million readers) weeks ago. Why blame Clinton??

[Sulawesi]

38. I thought use of the term hysteria was sexist...guess not...

[rodeodance]

39. Many are getting all titilated

[AX10]

40. It is quite common for politcal-types to wear the native dress...

when traveling abroad.
The Obambots are trying yet again to paint HRC as a biggot.
:puke:

As Maggie Williams said:
"If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed."

[Johnny__Motown]

42. You mistake outrage for hysteria. the problem is the racial and religious overtone

If someone circulated a photo of Hillary dressed up in a french maid outfit you would all be outraged too.

[Name removed]

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[rodeodance]

47. "you oblivious closet racist."----calling the OP rasist is WRONG

[MoonRiver]

50. ALL you've got is the race card. Any criticism of BO always is interpreted that way.

But your candidate is using it well, I have to admit.

Oh, I forgot empty platitudes. He's a master at that technique too.

[BigDDem]

46. The flock doth protest too much, methinks

[Blue_In_AK]

61. Muslim is not a curse word.

[ProSense]

63. Well, Hillary's campaign pushed a story linking Obama to "former terrorist"

This latest incident is different in that it comes on the heels of Hillary's campaign and her surrogates promoting Obama's ties to "former members of a radical domestic terrorist group."

Hillary Clinton woos man who nearly ruined her husband

Earlier this month, Ms Clinton's staff leaked campaign fundraising data to the website just as her rival for the nomination, Barack Obama, was to deliver a policy speech on Iraq - and a crucial 20 minutes before the official release of the information. The story on Ms Clinton's fundraising prowess dominated the news cycle.

Mark Penn is in bed with Drudge.


Obama's campaign would not connect Hillary to the latest attack story without validation.

It has happened before and Axelrod denounced the attempts to link Hillary's campaign to an attack:

The article further reported that Obama strategist David Axelrod said he did not "believe ... for a second" the allegation that Clinton's camp was behind the story.

Hillary is manipulative and calculating. She is going after anyone ignorant of the facts. Did I say desperate.

[windbreeze]

65. You mean that's the photo that has everyone posting new threads?????

This becomes more unbelievable every day...shaking my head...wb

[ContinentalOp]

66. Nobody cares about the photo.

It's not a big deal. But apparently people within the Clinton campaign think Obama is getting a free pass from the media and that this photo would be potentially damaging to Obama if it were on the front page of every newspaper. So apparently people within the Clinton campaign think the photo IS a big deal. That's really the issue.