Are there any HRC supporters present that will go on record against these tactics.?

[Big Blue Marble]

I am, as they say, looking for one honest Hillary supporter to disavow these negative tactics.

This is the Lee Atwater, Karl Rove style of politics we as Democrats have despised for decades.
This is the politics of fear writ large.

We have seen how these tactics has hurt our country and discourage good people from running for office.

Will any Hillary supporter stand with me to say that if you win this way, we as a party, as a peeple,
as a country, lose.

[Big Blue Marble]

1. It is awfully quiet in here.

I am sorry to see this.

[LadyVT]

173. In case you haven't noticed, most Clinton supporters have left this forum,

becoming tired of the verbally abusive attacks on their candidate and themselves.

[Big Blue Marble]

189. Well if you check this thread, the ones that remain are sure not looking too good. n/t

[LostinVA]

194. Whatever

[al2]

244. Clinton supporters have been THROWN OFF

[Adelante]

246. You just got here?

Welcome back to DU :hi:

[al2]

250. in 24 hours after they check that this is the same id, they

will throw me off again.
Or sooner.
That is why there are no Clinton supporters on DU.

[al2]

247. If you are talking about the PHOTO, that was

a Rove tactic from the Obama camp.

They are doing this in the Clinton blog as well. No sooner did they
arrive to harass Clinton supporters, than suddenly ugly racist Obama
diaries began appearing.

This enabled the Obama trolls to feign righteousness and indignation.

Since all the HRC supporters know each other, it was OBVIOUS who did
this. And it is TYPICAL.

They pulled the picture stunt for the same reason. First off, it's no
big deal. He looks nice, and costumed like the villagers. But it enables
the Obama people to start whining and shrieking. So potential voters
will recoil in horror and vote for the right wing candidate.

[GalleryGod]

255. Tracy We Hardly Knew Ye !

"The New York Times reported that the Clinton campaign had opened a direct line of communication to Drudge through a former Democratic national committee official, Tracy Sefl. Ms Sefl refused to comment yesterday, but the revelation was widely seen as a sign of Drudge's importance in the US media, despite his reclusive nature and a history of getting some stories spectacularly wrong."


Where's Bernard Pivo when we need him most !?!

[PresidentObama]

2. Explain what you mean by "tactics" and I'll be happy to address them.

[ClassWarrior]

5. How about the hamfisted attempt to score political points by a Clinton lackey?

Instead of denying distributing the photo, Maggie Williams plays GOTCHA by implying that Obama is ashamed of his heritage.

Of course, once again the tone-deaf Clinton campaign staff fails to realize that instead of scoring points for their candidate, it makes them look petty. And, of course, the lack of a denial plays into the idea that they did circulate the photo.

:shrug:

NGU.

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[Big Blue Marble]

14. Looking at the board today, I think it is pretty clear what I mean.

Spiking a picture that stirs anti-racist, anti-religious fears, a picture that advances the narrative
that Obama is the Muslim-terrorist narrative is a smear tactic. And do not insult me by denying that
they spiked this story, Their finger prints are all over it. As are their non-denial denials.

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[AZBlue]

252. To everyone who responded like this:

(not just Kerry2008)
ignoring the problem doesn't make it disappear. It's still there.

And, by pretending you don't know about it, you're saying that both you and the rest of us are stupid - and none of us are.

[Tyler Durden]

3. You want admissions? SHOW PROOF.

Written, documentable proof.

Haven't seen it yet. I DID see the Obama Ohio Fliers that none of the Obama Supporters think are no big deal.

[Big Blue Marble]

36. Show proof of what.

I said disavow the tactics where ever they come from. It is interesting that the only response I get is
show proof. Read my OP, it does not say where the tactic comes from. It says disavow it.

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[anigbrowl]

203. They don't have to admit it - just condemn it.

I'm not expecting or asking anyone on the Clinton campaign to make any kind of admission of responsibility for the email. It might not have come fromthem at all. But they could certainly condemn it, instead of agreeing with it.

[maddiejoan]

4. What tactics???

This is really getting bizarre.

The only tactics I see is Obama's campaign either willfully or naively falling for a DRUDGE slime piece on both of them.

This photo didn't originate with Clinton's Camp.

It appeared in a National Magazine (3 million circulation) 3 weeks ago!

[Big Blue Marble]

17. maddiejoan,

please. They spiked the story and in your decent heart, you know the one within your partisan garb,
you know it.

[maddiejoan]

52. Big Blue

Who 'spiked' it?

The Clinton Campaign?

Where is your evidence of this?

[Big Blue Marble]

63. We will see Maddie. We will see.

These things come out sooner or later.

[Cant trust em]

193. the "evidence" is in the lack of denial

If they didn't have anything to do with this, then why not say so? As a democrat, I really hope that they obliterate this story by saying that they didn't "spike" the photo and if they find someone in the campaign who did, that they would be fired. This whole thing smacks of RW dirty tricks and I hope that no democrat takes part in it. I want the Clinton campaign to say that.

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[yourguide]

65. I already put her on ignore.

I cant believe she is defending this, it's really shameful.

I assumed she would be here...thanks for your subject line, it just confirmed it, I am just glad I cant see her posts.

[Tyler Durden]

99. This person has written this post to 5 other posters by my count.

You do realize they are somebody's sockpuppet.

[LostinVA]

107. They've already posted their three threads for the day

Including one about voting for Nader.

[yourguide]

125. This poster is correct.

These ARE scortched earth tactics.

[Midlodemocrat]

176. God forbid you see the writings and musings of someone who actually has something

to say. :eyes:

And, I'm not a Hillary supporter.

[yourguide]

217. I did, I wrote back and forth with her on a thread this morning.

She thinks it's OK that the HRC camp did what they did today, I am putting those people on ignore for 2 reasons.

1. I will probably get myself tombstoned if I read any more of that sort of crap

2. There are some HRC supporters that show no middleground. I admitted it was tacky and tasteless when Barack made that stupid "likeable enough" crack but I am having a very difficult time finding HRC supporters that say "jeez, these are republican tactics - this is nasty and unnecessary, we shouldnt support this."

So for a handful of either completely stubborn or completely biased people go on delete to save my own sanity.

[JackORoses]

158. you are really bending the facts now

"This photo didn't originate with Clinton's Camp."

But they did forward it on, didn't they?

Of course, the photo didn't originate with them. It was on a Africa site for years.

But they did choose to pass it around now. Admit it.

[anigbrowl]

204. Still have your facts wrong, eh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4762985

[busymom]

6. There are no tactics to address.

[Buzz Clik]

24. That is, you support the lie being propped up by that photograph. Noted.

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[LostinVA]

7. Proof? Links? FACTS?

Of course not.

[ClassWarrior]

9. Maggie Williams played GOTCHA with the photo. That's a fact.

Rather than denounce hateful stereotypes and deny the campaign's involvement, she used the opportunity to taint Obama with those hateful stereotypes. Disgusting.

NGU.

[Tyler Durden]

12. PROVE IT.

Prove your thesis, or put on your tin foil hat.

[Big Blue Marble]

19. How like Atwater you are.

At least the original Atwater. Remember at the end even he disavowed his nastiness.
All am I asking is for Hillary supporters, at least a few, to do likewise.

[Tyler Durden]

40. PROVE IT.

No proof. No admissions.

[Buzz Clik]

59. My wife read the article over the phone to me. Shall I ask her for her source?

When I provide the link, will you admit to acting like an ass?

[BzaDem]

142. Wrong place

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[Big Blue Marble]

155. Prove what?

That these tactics are damaging. Have't we seen that for over 20 years?

[Big Blue Marble]

156. Prove what?

That these tactics are damaging. Haven't we seen that for over 20 years?

[LostinVA]

TYler isn't an HRC supporter

[Midlodemocrat]

169. LOL. That's funny. I actually knew Lee Atwater and Tyler

couldn't be further from him if he was a mongoose.


:rofl:

[ClassWarrior]

23. Google it.

She issued a statement.

And if you want me to do your research for you, you're going to have to talk to me a lot nicer than that.

B-)

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

45. So did you find it?

:shrug:

Or don't you want to?

NGU.

[Tyler Durden]

56. I saw no admissions

The only sites I saw were USATODAY and AFP (a FRENCH wire service) that made any "link"

SHOW ME PROOF. an email, a note, a memo, TESTIMONY.

[Buzz Clik]

69. Here you go, Durden. If you cannot read it, call for help.

The Clinton campaign did not comment on the distribution of the photo, but campaign manager Maggie Williams said the Obama campaign's reaction was inflaming passions and distracting voters.

"Enough," Williams said in a statement. "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed. Hillary Clinton has worn the traditional clothing of countries she has visited and had those photos published widely.

"This is nothing more than an obvious and transparent attempt to distract from the serious issues confronting our country today and to attempt to create the very divisions they claim to decry."

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5ihq7tWGeXGYbg-0N0RawLORdpCkwD8V1G1080

Did you notice the link, Durden? Are you now going to apologize and shut the fuck up? (Of course not -- here comes the "Yeah, but...". I can't wait.)

[ClassWarrior]

71. Show me where I claimed she admitted it. Prove your charge.

NGU.

[Tyler Durden]

84. Wrong guy.

I found nothing. Enjoy this place...I can't post here anymore, it's making me sick and giving me headaches.

Bon chance.

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[ClassWarrior]

105. Hey, nobody deserves to be addressed like that.

Please don't.

Peace.

NGU.

[ClassWarrior]

111. Thank you for admitting you're wrong. If you look at...

...post #5, I actually gave the Clinton campaign the benefit of the doubt:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4760853&mesg_id=4761286

But even at that, what Maggie Williams said was still damn rotten.

NGU.

[LostinVA]

15. No proof

I will denounce this IF it's proven that the CLINTON CAMPAIGN (not some college kid volunteering) did this. But, I'm betting they didn't and I'm betting I won't be denouncing.

[BigDDem]

38. They aren't interested in those

Hope! Change!
Lather rinse repeat

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[AtomicKitten]

8. Denial seems to be their stance de jour, but watch this space.

[Big Blue Marble]

22. It is hard to watch even from in here.

I can hope that some will stand with us against the dirty politics that has defined the Republicans.
And now is defining both of the Clintons.

[AtomicKitten]

33. The defense of those kind of politics will play out

if she manages to wrestle the nomination away from Barack. It is apparent that her strategy is if she doesn't get the nod, she intends to inflict as much damage as possible on Obama for the GE. Her what once would have been her natural base is turning their collective back on her for this nonsense.

[MadAndy]

104. The Clintons condemn Repug tactics then do a Willie Horton on Obama.

This is a racist smear that show to me the clintons are as racist as the repugs. When will the party condemn this.

[apocalypsehow]

10. Against them? Surely you jest - they're busy right now all over GD: P either justifying them

or denying that they ever occurred, sometimes in the same post.

[Big Blue Marble]

61. I am hoping that at least a few of those who support her

recognize that it is best to leave gutter politics to the Republicans.
We have hated their smear tactics from Willie Horton to Swiftboating.

A few of her supporters surely must despair at these desperate ploys
and feel ashamed that it could happen within our party.

[Little Star]

11. Link to your proof that this is a Hillary tactic? How can

anyone disavow something they believe to be a lie? You Obama people are the ones making the accusations that this was a Hillary tactic. Prove it and I will disavow it. I whole heartedly believe that she had nothing to do with your nasty accusations.

[Buzz Clik]

26. I don't think Hillary's campaign did it. Do you condemn this childish GOP prank?

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[Buzz Clik]

74. I'll wait for LittleStar's response. But thanks.

[AX10]

13. You have no proof she did this.

[Buzz Clik]

27. I assume it's a GOP ploy, and I condemn it. Do you?

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[MyNameGoesHere]

16. I will go on record and say

it is a damn fine photo of Obama. There i said it.

[Buzz Clik]

29. Another DU poster who supports the propagation of lies.

[MyNameGoesHere]

42. What lie? It is a fine photo but

MC Hammer called and wants his outfit back.

[Buzz Clik]

49. We're not talking about the quality of the photography -- it's the associated implications.

The overt lie being spread. A you good with that?

[MyNameGoesHere]

75. WHAT LIE? Did he or did he not take that photo?

Any inference you or i get from that photo is irrelevant , i think he looks like MC Hammer you think otherwise. So who is right?

[Buzz Clik]

102. Shall we dance some more? No, I think not.

You're little ploy is cute but annoying.

[MyNameGoesHere]

120. And you are wound up WAY to tight.

It is no ploy or conspiracy. It is a presidential candidate in a photo that is frigging goofy. Your sense that the world is conspiring against him because he is being portrayed as a Muslim is YOUR shit and baggage not mine.

[Buzz Clik]

163. And now it is your avatar ... and your baggage.

Welcome to the campaign.

[olefty]

18. This whole thing is beyond silly

If it was a plot by Hillary/Maggie Williams what were they hoping to accomplish? People who would be turned off by this photo would never vote Democrat anyhow! I think Rove probably sent the picture to Sludge saying it was from HRC and Sludge being the mope he is knowingly took the bait.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

20. Oh Shit. Did I Miss The Thread Where There Was Proof She Had A Hand In It? Link Please.

:hi:

[Big Blue Marble]

28. This is just one more piece of crap

in a long list of dirty tactics by your campaign. What are you going to do
when the emails are leaked that link this back to Clinton. Stand by her side.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

30. Oh Shit. Did I Miss The Thread Where There Was Proof She Had A Hand In It? Link Please.

:hi:

[Buzz Clik]

34. Did I miss where you comdemned the implication that the photo suggests Obama is a Muslim?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

73. I See A Photo Of Him Appropriately Dressed In Local Garb.

The only thing I condemn are those who are so ignorant as to think being muslim is an issue, ever.

[Buzz Clik]

166. In other words, you have no purpose on this thread other than to cause trouble.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

174. Are You Just Reading What You Want To Read? Seeing What You Want To See? Get A Grip.

Your response is completely out of context to my statement. It made zero sense.

[Buzz Clik]

183. Oh, no, OMC. I have a very good grip on what you're doing. You do this a lot.

You come in here at first acting all huffy that there is no proof that the Clinton campaign is responsible for this latest stupid trick. Then, when we try to move past blame and try to get both sides to condemn the act, you then pretend that it's no big deal and your one and only goal is to show people that it's okay to be a Muslim and it's okay for people to assume you're a Muslim when you're not.

Nice little morphing, OMC, but I'm not playing.

Disruption, disruption, disruption. Period.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

190. There's Not A Thing Within Any Of My Posts In This Thread That's Disruptive.

Here's a wake up call for ya cliky: Having a different opinion than you does not make one disruptive.

This OP was an exercise in knee jerk ignorance by trying to directly relate the HRC campaign to this story, when there have been NO FACTS doing so. To fall prey to the thread's twisted an ignorant logic by condemning the act, as if we are in essence condemning HRC, is just plain stupid.

[Buzz Clik]

192. And I asked you multiple times to condemn the act without condemning HRC. You refused.

You love to play us against each other, OMC, and you do it unceasingly.

You seem to forget that I was watching for a long time from the other side of the wall. You've got your adoring rightwing audience cheering every time you put a big hit on anyone from the left.

I've often wondered: if you are so damned opposed to what happens here, where exactly do you stand? I still don't know.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

195. If You're Going To Descend Into Completely Ignorant Personal Attack, Then Don't Expect A Reply.

God what you just said was stupid. See ya! :hi:

[Buzz Clik]

202. No condemnation of the Obama smear. No denial of my implications about you.

As expected.

OMC -- nothing about my comments could possibly be viewed as an attack, and it's hardly based on ignorance.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

211. Pay Attention.

The world doesn't revolve around you...

[Buzz Clik]

215. ... but we weren't talking about me, were we? No.

[SammyWinstonJack]

58. ...

:thumbsup:

[Big Blue Marble]

94. Why don't you condemn the tactic where ever it came from?

or are you afraid that you would be embarrassed and shown up to be a hypocrite
if it comes up that it was spiked by the Clinton Camp?

If you read my OP, I do not claim to know where the tactic came from. I ask only that you
condemn it. Why are you all in here screaming prove it. Prove what that it is a dirty tactic?
You are the ones that most assume its origin.

I ask that you condemn the tactic. And you all refuse.

You dear OPERATIONMINDCRIME are just too cute by half.

[Buzz Clik]

31. Let us make the assumption that she was not behind it. Do you condemn that tactic?

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67. Oh Shit. Did I Miss The Thread Where There Was Proof She Had A Hand In It? Link Please.

[CitizenRob]

Her track record is all the proof I need. kthxbye.

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[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

110. Thanks For Admitting You're A Knee Jerk Ignoramus.

[Big Blue Marble]

131. Projection is one great big bitch.

You have managed to call me multiple insulting names in the last twenty four hours.
I have never had that pleasure before. Wow, just wow whenever you lose an
argument you revert to name calling. You know somehow I expected more of you.

That was clearly my mistake and I will not make it again.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

134. Nope. No Projection. It's All On Him. Justtttttttttttt Him.

And it's not name calling if it's factually true based on context.

His response basically said that he doesn't need any facts, he hates her so much he's going to blame her anyway.

Guess what pal; that makes him a knee jerk ignoramus. It. Just. Does.

:hi:

[Big Blue Marble]

153. I am the one you are referring to.

I started this thread. Where are your facts in the accusations you make.
Prove to me I am a 'knee jerk ignoramus" just prove it.

Your slanders only reflect on you OMC.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

171. Learn How To Navigate A Thread Please.

You were not the one I was referring to. Are you new to this whole 'message board' thing?

Course, as far as your OP is concerned, you do also try and childishly make a connection between Hillary and this event. Doing so does in fact make you a knee jerk ignoramus as well, since you have no facts whatsoever in which to support your position. If you do have such facts, then please supply a link, k?

[Big Blue Marble]

178. Learn how to navigate a thread?

Let's see your post #110 response to original message:
calls me an "A Knee Jerk Ignoramus"

I respond to you in post #135.

You respond to me in post #139 referring to someone in the third person.
Since I am the original poster you called out in #110, I assume you
are insulting me.

So you respond to me in post #178 with more insults?

And I who have been on this board for four years need lessons in thread navigation?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

181. Yes, You Need Lessons In Thread Navigation.

It is quite clear that response #110 was not in fact to you. Please learn how to navigate a thread. You're looking silly here.

[Big Blue Marble]

186. Look at #110 carefully,

It says response to original thread in the upper right hand corner.

"Response to Original message"

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

191. Like I Said: Please Learn How To Navigate A Thread.

If that's what you go by in your navigation, rather than, ya know, like actually using your eyes and brain and stuff, then you seriously need further education on how to navigate a thread. Seriously. For real. Let it go. You look silly.

[Big Blue Marble]

209. I am looking at the your post ##110 as I write.

It clearly states response to original message. It does not show up that way in the thread outline at the top.
But that is what it says. It may be a glitch. Continue to be as snarky as you want. Insults seem to be your
stock in trade. Sad way to be branded.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

212. Like I Said: Please Learn How To Navigate A Thread.

If that's what you go by in your navigation, rather than, ya know, like actually using your eyes and brain and stuff, then you seriously need further education on how to navigate a thread. Seriously. For real. Let it go. You look silly.

[Big Blue Marble]

214. Somewhere I had gotten it into my head that you were a decent guy.

All I ever see of you is one who uses castigating insults to demean those with which you disagree.

Just look up and down this thread. What meaningful discourse do you add to this forum?
Hopefully, it is here somewhere and I have just missed it.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

220. I Am A Good Guy.

You were wrong, and you so far have refused to simply stand up and say so. It was more than obvious who I was replying to, and after being informed that you were in error you should've just said "oops, my bad", instead of continuing this silly little technicality game of a stupid glitch that every single one of us knows shouldn't be used when navigating a thread. This could've all been avoided if you 1. paid more attention, or 2. admitted your error when confronted with the reality.

Either way, no biggie.

And I absolutely added meaningful discourse to this forum. Objective viewpoint, critical thinking, blunt truth, and intellectual prowess rising above emotion is always valuable.

[Big Blue Marble]

222. I would admit I was wrong, it I were. There may be a glitch in the system.

Maybe your computer and mine are registering different text. I agreed with you that the thread outline shows you
referred to #67. I was looking in your post #110 and it says that you are responding to the OP. And that
is what I responded to. I understand that you did not mean me. Can you understand why I thought you did?
I agree it is no biggie. But why did you choose to demean me over it?

From my observation, you seem pretty free with the insults. As I said, you have insulted me several times in the last
day. That's OK by me. I know it comes with the territory.

Yet I can't believe though that is how you want to be identified. In the past, you seemed
a lot classier than that to me.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

223. It All Depends On Context Of The Moment.

I respond to posters based on their positions and tone, and that can change from thread to thread.

What we have here, is an OP that is melodramatic in tone that unfairly tries to directly equate the photo story with the Hillary campaign, though there has been NO evidence or facts that substantiate that. It attempts to lump Hillary supporters as being dishonest and calling on them to condemn the incident, as if she HAD been responsible for it. Well I find that to not be classy and I find it to be knee jerkish and ignorant. I'm just being honest. It's all I know how to be. Your OP is unfair and reactionary, and that's of no fault of mine. If you're going to post something of that nature, then please don't get all bent when someone responds and calls it out for what it is. That's all I did. If you post a thread or a post tomorrow that is classy, then you can expect a return to my classy replies back to ya.

[Big Blue Marble]

226. How convenient that you take no responsibility for your behavior.

You are only a mirror. Well I did not seek nor did I hope to get one response from the reactive Hillary crowd
when I posted this thread. I was curious to see if any Hillary supporters remaining in DU were going to
stand against these gutter tactics. Read my thread. I make no accusations. I only asked if any of you
would disavow them. That is all I was looking for. My motives have been questioned by those of
you with a rabid agenda. I can do nothing about that.

I have personally felt these fear-based tactics that have infiltrated our political discourse for far
too long. Willy Horton and Lee Atwater are now twenty years past. But their legacy continues. The power
of the internet and 24 hour news cycle magnifies the damage that is done with destructive political attacks.

If we do not stand against them, we are going to lose the last vestiges of our democracy. Perhaps, it is
too late and we already have. Atwater did on his deathbed repent and regret what he had done.
But it was too late. The consultants had seen the power in negative attacks gone nuclear.

And they are now our broken legacy that has given us broken government. We must stand together
to defeat them. And if our own candidate uses them, IMO we must still call them out.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

230. "And if our own candidate uses them, IMO we must still call them out."

Well gee... there goes your whole "Read my thread. I make no accusations" bullshit meme.

So transparent. I swear.

[Big Blue Marble]

234. I am asking you to call out the tactics no matter where they

came from. There has been plenty to call out the Clintons on right from the beginning of this campaign.
My reference of these tactics applies to the entire campaign not just a picture.

These tactics have been in play since before Iowa and will be the narrative of this Clinton campaign in
history. We may or may not get direct proof about these emails. (I think we will but let's see.)
In the mean time, the Clinton team has played over the edge since the beginning.

I have yet to see any Clinton supporter here once acknowledge any discomfort with their candidates behavior.
They only offer weak defenses and strong attacks. In fact, the worse the Clinton negativity,
the nastier the defenses become.

[rodeodance]

233. like taking responsibility for a divisive OP?

[Big Blue Marble]

235. I did not make this thread divisive.

You chose to make it so. You and several others have attacked me repeatedly.
Why did you feel compelled to response and response so harshly? That is the operative
question. Your reactivity is scattered all over this thread.

I was calling out for objective Hillary supporters who will call her on this wrong-head campaign.
And be assured that is how it will go down in history even if she should wrestle the nomination.
And this campaign if she would become the nominee will cost her and the Democrats the election.

I called out and I am still waiting for the answer I had hoped for. Someone? Anyone?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

238. "who will call her on this wrong-head campaign."

Again, did I miss the thread where there was proof she had a hand in it? Link please.

"I called out and I am still waiting for the answer I had hoped for"

I've given you those answers. What you fail to realize, is that this OP and your now continued explanation of it, exposes you as a knee jerk ignoramus as it relates to this topic. I'm not sure why this is so hard for you to grasp.

You are blaming Hillary. There are no facts that substantiate your claim. Provide them, or accept defeat that it IS in fact you being divisive and ignorant.

[Big Blue Marble]

240. Again I am not just speaking of the picture.

And I certainly am not waiting for an answer from you. Nor have you given me any real answer only more insults.
A bit reactive, don't you think. You repeatedly mischaracterize my OP. If you wish to imply accusations, where
none exist that is your choice. I was asking for Hillary supporters to stand against these tactics. Are you
afraid to stand against them because she has used them repeatedly before in this campaign regardless of whether
she did with this one.

You have shown your true colors through and through despite your protestations about what an sensitive intellectual you can be in the right environment. Once again, you have called me ignorant and now divisive. Could you be acting in either of these ways yourself?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

242. I'm Amazed At How Blind You Are To Your Own Words And Divisiveness. For Real.

I'm not sure of what part of "provide any legitimacy to your claim that Hillary is behind this" you can't comprehend.

Your OP is ignorant and reactionary. Don't get all huffy with me because I called you out on it. Sheesh.

[Big Blue Marble]

249. Hey I am not huffy. All calm and peaceful watching you

react. You keep missing the mark. But then you are the type that always has to have the last word
even if that word is non-sensible. How many times can you call me ignorant in one day?

Keep going, but it really reflects back on you not me.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

251. You Really Don't See How Thoroughly You've Been Decimated, Huh.

Okey dokey pokey! :hi:

[Big Blue Marble]

253. Gads you are so full of yourself.

You really get the reward for the most exaggerated opinion of yourself for the whole day.

If you are so great why would waste your time here? Surely a man as great as yourself must
have better things to do than waste your time on "ignorant unwashed vessels" such as myself.

You know you could probably make money or something oh Great Poobah.
Of course, that takes a lot more effort than sitting at your computer and anonymously
attacking those you do not know.

Over and out.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

254. See, There's A Big Difference Between Your Replies And Mine.

See, mine have all been factual and sound, whereas yours have been desperate and flailing.

You posted a divisive OP based on knee jerk ignorance, and have gone on to implicate yourself directly while in the same paragraph making claims that you were asking an innocent question. The ways in which your arguments have been decimated within this thread are beyond hilarious, yet there you sit all smug thinking you've actually defended yourself well somehow.

Newsflash: You haven't.

Your OP was a failure.

Over and out indeed. I've played with you enough.

[Bluerthanblue]

80. damn- you disappoint me OMC- regardless of whether

there is any 'proof'- I would have thought you had strong enough principals, and the integrity to be one of the first to discourage concept of this kind of 'tactic' being used by anyone.

:shrug:


I still don't believe you would condone it- at least the person I know you to be-
(but maybe I'm wrong)


peace~

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

122. In Reality? No, I Don't Condone The Tactic.

But I know the way Maggie responded is the perfect way to respond to everybody. When I first read the story, I mentally told myself that if it turned out to be fact that Hillary herself had knowledge of this, that it would really piss me off and make me think differently of her. But I told myself to first wait and see what comes out, since there was nothing verifiable yet.

Then I read Maggie's response. It immediately occurred to me how brilliant it was and how wrong I was for thinking the way I had been. We should never care about what racists think. We should always take the high road and address racism from a position of honesty, by publicly and calmly stating that there is nothing wrong with the picture, nor with what it represents, and if someone is going to take offense to anything in it then they are a racial moron who don't have opinions that matter anyway, etc.

That's why I find the response brilliant. It's how we all should respond. We shouldn't act like "gasp! They're trying to make him out to be muslim!!!!!", since that plays right into their hands (the racists). Instead, we should should have a non chalant attitude of "so? All humans are created equal. This is a non issue". That's where I'm coming from with this, and I totally 100% find the clinton campaign's response to have been stronger and wiser than Obama's.

I also, by the way, don't really think Hillary had any hand in it whatsoever. I think the way she's been sliced and diced here today has been pathetic.

And on edit: The reason I would not readily condemn in this thread is because the OP is ignorantly trying to relate the tactic with HRC, as if there is already proof they are related. There isn't. The OP is garbage.

[Faygo Kid]

21. 20 posts and the answer is no. Big surprise.

It will be a lovely day when March 5 finally rolls around.

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[MethuenProgressive]

25. I am against Obama's attempt to Swiftboat Clinton on every little thing that hops on by.

The photo was in the National Fucking Enquirer (circ @ 3 mil) weeks ago!
Drudge played you. You'll never last in the general unless you toughen up.

[Buzz Clik]

37. We'll put you down as "No, I don't condemn this tactic."

[MethuenProgressive]

78. Just keep on following that Judas Goat!

He's leading you to greener pastures. Yes. He certainly is...

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[Buzz Clik]

165. Trolling, rodeodance? (rhetorical question -- of course you are)

[rodeodance]

175. seems to me you the one tagging onto the OP.

[Buzz Clik]

184. I clearly condemn that action, and you say that I'm a "No"?

Take off.

[yourguide]

43. yes but HRC decided to circulate it to the media...

THIS WEEKEND. STOP.

[MethuenProgressive]

76. No proof yet? Keep bleating.

[yourguide]

92. the proof is the non-denial.

sorry, where is the denial???

[MethuenProgressive]

112. God, that's the silliest thing you've typed in several minutes.

they are laughing at you - you got played.

[yourguide]

126. riiiiiiiiiiiight.

which is why the HRC campaign isnt denying it. oh STOP.

[MethuenProgressive]

135. In 3 million newspapers weeks ago, silly. You think Drudge doesn't go to the supermarket?

:rofl:

[yourguide]

145. Ah, get your facts straight

it was in the examiner...NOT the enquirer...try 400,000 tabloids.

And if drudge DID get it from the examiner, why hasnt the HRC campaign denied circulating the emails?

[MethuenProgressive]

147. When will Obama deny gay sex and cocaine with that chubby taxi driver?

Does that answer your question, Virginia?

[yourguide]

151. OH stop.

Doesnt have to, the chubby delusional crack addict flunked 2 polygraphs.

However, when one of the Top 5 news websites makes the charge that a major political campaign is trying nasty smears against her opponant, I think it warrants a response and a denial if untrue.

[LostinVA]

77. Proof?

[yourguide]

97. the proof is in the non-denial

where is the denial?

[LostinVA]

114. It doesn't work that way, either in real life or politics

[yourguide]

129. why havent they denied it?

because the email does exist and if they deny it someone can just prove it.

thus the safe strategy, issue no denials, try to throw it on the other guy.

you are blind and stupid if you dont see that.

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[Arkansas Granny]

132. Drudge decided to circulate it to the media this weekend. It was

circulated weeks ago by a supermarket tabloid. I have seen no proof that the Clinton campaign circulated this photo. The failure to deny something does not consitute proof. That's like that old question "Have you stopped beating your wife?".

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[MethuenProgressive]

81. Aw, Rob. You've been around too long to buy what Drudge is selling.

Put down the kool aid cup, take off the new sneakers.

[CitizenRob]

95. Unfortuantely I think Drudge is merely selling what Clinton sold him.

And that's the real shame of it all. We're talking about Hillary here, a woman who said she'd break the Fox News boycott because Fox was more fair (?!) to her campaign. We're talking about a woman who has shown she has no problem doing what is politically expedient, even if it costs human lives (the initial war vote.) We're talking about somebody who has shown time and time again that she cannot control her staff.

[MethuenProgressive]

119. No you don't. You're not that stupid. You're acting outraged, not really outraged.

Stop it. Grow up.

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[yourguide]

32. I wanted to know the same thing.

want to go ahead and put all on of the supporters who even PRETEND to defend this on ignore.

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[ElsewheresDaughter]

35. Do you honestly think this came from Clinton's campaign? boy are you in for a rude fucking awakening

IF Obama gets the nom.....you better stock up on some diapers.

[Buzz Clik]

41. We all noticed how the Hillary campaign is just sitting around giggling about this.

We're wondering if their lack of maturity has spilled over into her supporters.

The answer is crystal clear.

[yourguide]

57. WAKE UP!

where is the flipping DENIAL from the campaign, where is it????

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[bigtree]

39. I disavow the practice of piggybacking attacks on our candidates which come from right-wing sources

done.

[Buzz Clik]

44. Thank you!

:yourock:

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[bigtree]

106. whee!

It's fun to make shit up!

[rodeodance]

50. What tactic? please explain so we all know . Thanks

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[rodeodance]

82. HOW DARE YOU JUDGE ME FOR ASKING A QUESTION.!!

[CitizenRob]

85. Don't play stupid. It's unbecoming.

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[Big Blue Marble]

118. As if you needed it explained.

I explained it upthread.

[JVS]

53. They are a hideous blemish on the party

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[Bluerthanblue]

54. I have to believe even though no one has spoken up- there are those

who would condemn this-

I can't believe that some people I know and respect who are currently Hillary supporters would honestly encourage something like this.

But the responses you have gotten so far are pretty sad, and discouraging.


peace~

[rodeodance]

162. YOU play judge and jury and condemn many without PROOF.

[Maddy McCall]

79. Sure. I'll go on record and say that the tactics of some Obama supporters on this board...

are disgusting.

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[Maddy McCall]

93. Yes, I do think that some Obama supporters on this board are practicing scorched earth tactics.

What else is new?

[LostinVA]

88. Aren't you proud to get the same spammed response as everyone else in this thread?

[Maddy McCall]

90. Where were they when Obama supporters were posting photos of Hillary...

linked directly to rightwing websites? Where was their outrage?

They are making a mountain out of a tiny little anthill.

[DemBones DemBones]

91. I completely agree with that, and

think they are determined to take the Democratic Party down.

[Maddy McCall]

100. They want to get rid of the ones of us who worked our asses off to make....

the Democratic party viable in 2006. They don't appreciate our contributions of the past, so let them moan and whine over this.

I couldn't care less.

[Big Blue Marble]

124. Sure change the subject Maddie.

That is lame. Yes some Obama and some Hillary supporters go over the line.
I am asking are their any Hillary supporters that will not cross this line.

So far the answers are telling. You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot here
and cannot even see it.

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[Big Blue Marble]

143. No to dirty Rovian tactics where ever they originate.

Yes I stand for that. I have despaired when they came from Atwater and when they came from Rove.
And I despair even more when they come from Democrats.

[rodeodance]

154. Your OP is nothing but a Rovian style post and you know it. yet you did it. SHAME on you!

[Big Blue Marble]

160. How dare you impune my motives.

I wanted to see if anyone, just anyone would stand with me.

So far.........not so much. I knew about you guys the ones who are responding to
this thread with so much hate that it comes through the screen.

I was looking for someone else. Someone who will stand for decency in politics.
I am still waiting.

[rodeodance]

164. I call it like I see it. Rovian. End of discussion

[Big Blue Marble]

168. This discussion will continue

whether you participate or not. Hopefully this chaper will end in about a week.
Then I guess all you people will just disappear.

[rodeodance]

200. "Then I guess all you people will just disappear." More divisiveness from The UNITY camp.

[Buzz Clik]

206. The Unity camp. *snark* Sorry, but I don't feel any compulsion to unify with trolls.

[rodeodance]

210. yeah, that Unitycamp is quite snarky

[Buzz Clik]

213. Look, we're all really sorry that Obama doesn't meet your standards on your Pet Issue.

Life's a bitch.

[Big Blue Marble]

216. I mean, of course, you will leave of your own choosing.

Why would you want to hang here and cheer on Obama? Cause that is what we will be doing.
it is not that we would not want you to stay if you support him. We understand that you were are contemptuous
of our candidate and assume you would withdraw for that reason.

[Midlodemocrat]

185. .

:thumbsup:

:applause:

[rodeodance]

201. ...

thanky

[Big Blue Marble]

161. Shame on you.

Is that on the fax list now? Really a talking point.

[rodeodance]

177. You are wrong again: It is on the Obama DU fax list of talking points.

[Big Blue Marble]

179. Does Hillary read our talking points?

Or does she originate them? And if they are on the Obama fax, why are you using them?

[rodeodance]

197. You are the one reading the Obamacamp talking points on Hillary and repeating them here on DU. yup

[Buzz Clik]

207. My fax machine is broken. Care to share the points with us right here, right now?

[MethuenProgressive]

86. CitizenRob is a No.

He approves of the ignorance his fellows have shown by taking Drudge's bait, hook, line, and sinker.

Fish.

[CitizenRob]

103. The question is who sold Drudge the bait?

Was it Clinton, or Rove?

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[MethuenProgressive]

116. Maybe, just maybe... a Drudge staffer shops at a supermarket?

Could be.
:rofl:

[rodeodance]

87. FLAMEBAIT POST

[Big Blue Marble]

140. You were the ones who turned it into flamebait.

That is certainly never what I intended. I wanted to know if any HRC here would stand up and disavow
these tactics. Sadly not so far.

Your behavior speaks for your character. Please speak against this kind of politics. I am sure
you have in the past. Do so now for the sake of our country.

[rodeodance]

170. You need lots of fresh air if you say you never meant this to be flamebait. And

I and others need no lectures on patritism from you.

And back at you: Your behavior speaks for your character.!!! (regarding the op)





You were the ones who turned it into flamebait.
Posted by Big Blue Marble


That is certainly never what I intended. I wanted to know if any HRC here would stand up and disavow
these tactics. Sadly not so far.

Your behavior speaks for your character. Please speak against this kind of politics. I am sure
you have in the past. Do so now for the sake of our country.

[Big Blue Marble]

182. Well Rodeodancer call me a liar.

And see how far that gets you. My character is intact; when you start calling people liars
without proof, what does that say about you?

[rodeodance]

198. Check my posts. I have not called you a liar.

Well Rodeodancer call me a liar.

[Big Blue Marble]

218. When you tell me that what I meant to do with my post

is not what I did with my post, you are telling me I am duplicitous.

You say that my intentions were other than what I said they were.
That is saying that I am lying.

[rodeodance]

224. I gave you my objective assesment. Not lies. Grow up.

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[Tom Rinaldo]

109. I would love to support Obama when he attacks those who try to swiftboat him.

The problem is I never see him do it unless he can find a way to tie that into some attack on Hillary. Right now I am witnessing an orchestrated swiftboating of Hillary Clinton unfolding and Obama's official campaign is up to their necks in pushing it.

It is almost like they have an unspoken policy to accuse her of what they themselves promote. The fake outrage over the "Obama Dressed" photo is the perfect example of that to me. "Fake outrage" is a charge that Obama supporters tag on Hillary all of the time. Most recently when she got angry over Obama campaign literature that has in some cases been out there for weeks.

Well now comes the Obama "outrage" over the distribution of photos of Obama in traditional African garb - against the Clinton campaign. What is known is that Drudge "obtained" a copy of an internal and private email shared between some Clinton staffers (no claim was made that it was widely shared). Even Drudge had the journalistic integrity to not state that the email was distributed to him intentionally - and lord knows he could have gotten more mileage with such a claim. Many embarrassing documents and memos are "obtained" from political campaigns in mysterious ways that those campaigns would never have wanted let see the light of day. I would not call this instance "distributing" a photo that could be used against Obama.

So what exactly was that email? Was it a template for distribution to the public in an underhanded way? Did it consist of language that can be used to dupe the public into believing Obama had ties to Al Qaeda? Did it say "Proof that Obama is a Muslim"? No, none of that. It was more on the order of "Hoo Boy, the Republicans will get some mileage out of this one if Obama gets the nomination. And that happens to be true. Were it false there would be no outrage being expressed over distribution of that photo now.

Is this a photo that is now coming to light for the first time because Drudge "obtained" an email between some Clinton staffers (left undefined is how senior or lowly those staffers might be)? No it is not. In fact this is a photo that was screaming from a paper over two weeks ago. Not only was this photo published and widely DISTRIBUTED, but it was accompanied by a full page story with a headline that read: "Obama's Al Qaeda Link".

When that story with that photo was published, what did the Obama campaign have to say about it? How much outrage did they express then? Who did they blast? Who did they accuse? Who did they even bother TO CORRECT? No one. They couldn't find a way to use it against Hilary. But now that Drudge has given them an opportunity to do so on a silver platter, they seize it eagerly. The act outraged that anyone could think of distributing that photo KNOWING FILL WELL that by blowing this up into a prominent campaign issue that photo will now be seen by tens of millions of voters who had no clue that it existed. The Obama camp has willing joined the marketing campaign for distribution of that photo, making sure that it jumps off the sordid pages of the Drudge Report and into the main stream media.

If they really cared about that photo being seen they would have objected the first time when millions saw it actually being used as part of a hate campaign against Obama. They don't care if millions more see it now, if by so doing Obama can win tens of thousands of additional Democratic Primary Votes next week from people who they can turn against Hillary Clinton by blaming her for an electoral challenge - smears based on his name, his heritage etc. that he knows full well he will need to face himself if he hopes to be elected President in November.

It is ugly politics, just about as ugly as it gets, but the swiftboating taking place now is ugly politics being played BY Barack Obama.

[NastyRiffraff]

157. BINGO!!!

Thank you, Tom. That's the best post on this subject I've seen.

For the record, I agree that the photo was an attempt to link Obama with Muslims (nothing wrong with that, unless you hate all Muslims) and/or Al Qaeda (very wrong). However, if the Obama camp is so disturbed about the photo and its possible implications/interpretations, why the hell didn't they say something when it was first published in a widely read tabloid with an ugly headline?

I have no idea who subsequently distributed the photo in email (AFTER it was nationally published weeks ago) and how Drudge got it. As any sentient being involved in politics knows very well, there are lots of ways that can happen.

Indeed, where was the outrage from Obama's campaign when it was FIRST published, and widely distributed? They should have been outraged; it was an ugly story, and the campaign needed to address it right away. The people who read those rags are often very easily led.

[Qanisqineq]

167. don't do that

don't inject sanity into this whole discussion. don't write posts that contain reason. shame on you.

:hi:

Seriously, thank you. That is an excellent post about why Clinton should not be attacked over this whole photograph thing. The way Obama supporters put it, the Clinton campaign sent the picture out to the media.

:banghead:

[Maddy McCall]

239. Tom. This needs to be an OP.

You need to start a thread with this. You are perhaps the most reasonable poster in this forum. What you said here needs to be in OP for all to read.

Respectfully,

MMc.

[Tom Rinaldo]

241. OK I just made it into it's own OP

Look for it playing at a GD-P page near you.

[yardwork]

127. You mean like comparing Hillary Clinton's campaign to lynching?

Yes, I disavow those tactics. I think they're disgusting and the opposite of "hope and unity."

[MoonRiver]

128. I'm not going to disavow a lie.

Nice try though.

[MethuenProgressive]

136. Still no proof.

NGU.

[BzaDem]

146. If the campaign intentionally leaked it

Then I would not approve of the tactics. If it was just some staffer that went overboard, then that's different.

In any event, it is probably good that this is being made a big deal of now, as opposed to two weeks before the GE. You can bet that the Republicans have all of this stuff ready to dish out at the most damaging time (especially since this picture was already released on Feb 4), so the earlier this stuff comes out now, the more it can be made to look like "old news" come the GE.

[MethuenProgressive]

150. It was in 3 million papers weeks ago - You think no one at Drudge goes shopping?

[Big Blue Marble]

237. Thank you for not approving these tactics.

The campaign is responsible for what the staffers do. Other staffers have been forced to
resign over similar stuff. And that is the problem. There is a pattern to these kinds of emails.
A pattern that in the past has been traced back to the campaign. If it is traced even to
an underling, the campaign will be held accountable.

We expect the Republicans to dish this stuff. It is their stock and trade. I thought we were better than this.

[jackson_dem]

149. Sure as soon as there is evidence HRC was responsible for this

Got any Obamanation?

[NoodleyAppendage]

152. The HillBots are NOT true Democrats. They support the Blue Dog, DLC, pro-corporate faux dems. n/t

J

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[LadyVT]

172. This is how wars get started.

Before you go coming to conclusions, make sure you have evidence that the "Clinton campaign" is responsible for whatever it is you are talking about here. (Evidence is NOT the Obama campaign making an accusation, by the way.)

[Big Blue Marble]

199. I am asking whether or not the Clinton Campaign spiked this,

will you stand against the tactic. That is all I am asking. It is not who did it, but that it was done.

Do you, LadyVT, stand against this tactic. Yes or No?

[rodeodance]

205. Such a lovely day-tarnish by Rovian flamebait.

[redqueen]

180. Peeple.

*snicker*

[niyad]

187. only if there is proof she engaged in those tactics.

[Buzz Clik]

188. So, you don't hesitate to condemn the tactic regardless of who did it, right?

[rodeodance]

221. What tactic?

[HeraldSquare212]

231. What about the attempted 'radical' smear last week? That was right from her campaign.

[VotesForWomen]

196. i'm sorry; hillary's tactics are no worse than obama's. it's that simple. nt

[NorthernSpy]

225. Now ~there's~ a ringing endorsement -- "Hillary: She's No Worse!"

:eyes:


Face it. Hillary doesn't just resort to negative campaigning occasionally; she relies on it. She plays increasingly dirty in an attempt to regain ground lost through her own lack of basic preparation.

There's not much to be proud of there.

[Buzz Clik]

208. Well, it seems that Deleted Message rules the day.

[Big Blue Marble]

219. Fascinating, isn't it?

I missed most of them. Do you know what they said that got them deleted?

[CitizenRob]

227. The moderator deleted all my " confirmed No"

*shrug* the moderator must be a Hillary supporter.

[Barack_America]

228. I thought those were hilarious.

Apparently humor is lacking around here.

[CitizenRob]

229. Yah think? Not a big surprise for DU though.

[Big Blue Marble]

236. I noticed.

Not sure why. I know there is a rule to not call out posters. I guess your posts fell under that rubric.
Thanks for your support anyway.

I am a little shocked how many HRC supporters invaded this thread to attack me for even asking.
Charging me with Rovian intent for seeking a Hillary supporter who would distain these tactics.

Oh well, we will let the thread speak for itself.

[CitizenRob]

245. This is DU if you aren't preaching to their Choir you get deleted.

[rodeodance]

232. AP: Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3197560#3197560
3197560, Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Posted by Freddie Stubbs on Mon Feb-25-08 04:17 PM

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A spokesman for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says her campaign knew nothing about a circulating photo showing Barack Obama in traditional garments during a visit to Kenya.

The photo in question shows Obama in a white turban and robe during his 2006 trip. The gossip and news Web site The Drudge Report said the picture is being circulated by "Clinton staffers" and quoted an e-mail from an unidentified campaign aide.

Drudge didn't include proof of the e-mail in its report. Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says none of the campaign officials have seen the e-mail in question. And he says the campaign would welcome any independent reporting that anyone has done on the matter.

Earlier, aides for Obama accused Clinton's campaign of "shameful, offensive fear-mongering" upon news of the photo's circulation.

Read more: http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7922829

[Marie26]

243. Which tactics are you referring to? nt

[stevenleser]

248. Reserving judgment

I really, really, really hope that HRC's campaign did not do this.