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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:23 PM
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Clinton Campaign did NOT circulate those photos.
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 01:25 PM by BlackVelvet04
A post by Kurt_and_Hunter .........posted here with his permission:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4760625&mesg_id=4760815

The “story” (offered by Drudge as almost a blind item) is that someone received an email from a Clinton staffer that included the photo taken from the internet. Was this a one-on-one personal correspondence, an email sent to three or four friends, or what? Not specified.

We know that it was not a “broadcast” spam email, and we know it was not something sent to a bunch of media outlets. It’s a “Drudge Exclusive,” and there are not a hundred blogs saying, “I got that same email!”

So someone got an email from a Clinton staffer or “staffers” (a population described as being at least 700 people) with a photo in it that was taken from the internet where it has been kicking around for a year and a half. We are not talking about proprietary photographs taken by campaign operatives hiding behind potted palms… we are talking about a person linking a photograph from an article on the internet.

And either that recipient forwarded it to Drudge, or someone with access to that recipient’s email forwarded it to Drudge. Drudge's source is either an over-zealous Obama supporter, a deranged Hillary hater or a Republican sympathizer. (The Obama campaign itself has no interest in the photo being disseminated.)

If your primary intention is to hurt Obama, you do not send the photo to Drudge as something “circulated by Clinton staffers.” You send it as a photo from Geeska Afrika Online Magazine from August of '06.

http://www.geeskaafrika.com/ethiopia_31aug06.htm

So the purpose of the Drudge piece, which is sourced like a gossip piece, not a news item, is to hurt Clinton, AND to hurt Obama.

So we know that either Chris Dodd is plotting a big comeback after taking down Clinton and Obama simultaneously, or the Drudge piece is a Republican stunt.

As for the word choice “circulate”… the Obama photograph has been published on the internet at least three times previously. (Sunniblog.com on Feb 11, National Examiner tabloid, Geeska Afrika Online Magazine) Every person on the Internet (about a billion?) has had access to it since 2006. It is not “leaked.” (I have seen people descibe it as such, which is funny. That’s like me “leaking” something posted in DU last week by linking to it in this post.)

Most Importantly: Let’s say Hillary wants to disseminate this photo of Obama looking like a crazy Muslim. And let’s say that Hillary is in bed with Matt Drudge, and want’s Drudge to disseminate the photo… accepting all of that,

Why does the Clinton campaign want the photo disseminated by Matt Drudge as something “circulated by Clinton staffers”???

Critical thinking is your friend.
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:25 PM
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1. OMG another frigging DUPE DUPE DUPE DUPE
Stop the frigging dupes, ok? These things are called THREADS for a reason. You post on a thread, you don't create a new thread for every time you want to post on a topic that is already started.

I stopped counting prior to 12:00 today. Here are at least 12 of the same threads, meant
to distract from Clinton's huge losing streak, campaign finances, and meltdowns.

Absolutely NO PROOF anyone from Clinton camp connected in anyway to 'the photo' Mon Feb-25-08 11:02 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758267&mesg_id=4758267

There's NO proof the Clinton campaign approved of the Drudge pic. So, he's a legitimate source now?? Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758517

*WHY* is it a "smear photo"? Mon Feb-25-08 11:30 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758733&mesg_id=4758733

To address the recent Drudge photo...Mon Feb-25-08 11:49 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4759060

Hillary doesn't mind pictures of her in traditional clothing being published. Why is Obama so upset? Mon Feb-25-08 11:26 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758646

RETHUGS sent the Photo! Mon Feb-25-08 11:57 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4759207&mesg_id=4759207

rebuttal

Politico: Obama slams smear photo Mon Feb-25-08 10:11 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757652&mesg_id=4757652

The Clinton goes ON RECORD re: PHOTO SMEAR and DOES NOT DENY, just change subject Mon Feb-25-08 11:18 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4758523&mesg_id=4758523

in addition to being a low political move, distributing that photo would be an offense to muslims Mon Feb-25-08 11:37 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758867

Hillary's use of Islamophobia against Obama, will hurt our Democratic candidate for Congress Mon Feb-25-08 11:21 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758564

As long as Clinton supporters can blame Drudge the HRC camp will never be called on race baiting Mon Feb-25-08 10:10 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4757636&mesg_id=4757636

Why is there so much spectulation as to where the photo came from? Mon Feb-25-08 11:41 AM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4758939

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BlackVelvet04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:27 PM
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2. Um.....have you checked to see how many Obama supporters
started threads saying she did it?

did someone die and make you thread God?

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nonconformist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:31 PM
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3. Good grief, n00b.
The mods will take care of it if it's warranted, and you're not a mod. But this is pretty common stuff... there will always be several threads dealing with DU's "topic of the day".
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MNDemNY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:50 PM
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9. gripe. don't read it.
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busymom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:33 PM
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4. No Shit. What happened to critical thinking...
Seriously.
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:35 PM
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7. Even by my low standards...this is the most ridiculous day in the history of DU.
I'm not shy about entering into a flame war, but this thing is absolutely the Hindenburg of stupidity.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:08 PM
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18. but there's always tomorrow
the descent continues...
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Beausoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:25 PM
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20. I know! That's what keeps me tuned in! It's the grandest trainwreck on the net!
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:33 PM
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5. KICK
:kick:
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:35 PM
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6. Actually, the Clinton campaign has said that they can't guarantee they didn't do it.
Sounds like weasel-wording to me.
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itcfish Donating Member (805 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:58 PM
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12. Short of Hillary
dropping out of the race or killing herself, what would please you???
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 05:49 PM
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24. Saying "We didn't do it." Which they apparently can't honestly do. nt
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ihelpu2see Donating Member (935 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:02 PM
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15. "Well of course we can say for certain that we definitely could not, unequivocally say
that we did not circulate a likeness of Sen. Obama in that fashion here to for..."
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:36 PM
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8. They cirulated the "terrorists" group meeting story.
Hillary Clinton woos man who nearly ruined her husband

Earlier this month, Ms Clinton's staff leaked campaign fundraising data to the website just as her rival for the nomination, Barack Obama, was to deliver a policy speech on Iraq - and a crucial 20 minutes before the official release of the information. The story on Ms Clinton's fundraising prowess dominated the news cycle.


Mark Penn is in bed with Drudge.

Obama's campaign would not connect Hillary to the story without validation.

It has happened before and Axelrod denounced the attempts to link Hillary's campaign to an attack:

The article further reported that Obama strategist David Axelrod said he did not "believe ... for a second" the allegation that Clinton's camp was behind the story.


This latest incident is different in that it comes on the heels of Hillary's campaign and her surrogates promoting Obama's ties to "former members of a radical domestic terrorist group."



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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:55 PM
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10. Black Velvet... thanks, but please edit your headline
Edited on Mon Feb-25-08 01:58 PM by Kurt_and_Hunter
My point is that the Clinton camp did not promote the photo to Drudge, or mass disseminate it. The Drudge piece is anti-Hillary AND anti-Obama. Neither campaign wants that story up there.

I have no strong opinion as to whether any Clinton staffer linked to the photo in an email. It seems more likely than not. Campaign people talk about campaign stuff in email all the time, and linking to a silly looking photo of your opponent in an email to a personal acquaintance or circle of acquaintances is not extraordinary.

I don't doubt that Drudge has a copy of an email from a Clinton staffer to someone else (someone other than Matt Drudge!) that includes the linked photo.

But Drudge is clearly NOT doing the Clinton camp's bidding.

And thre is no indication the Clinton campaign is "pushing" the picture. They may be, but there's no evidence of it, or even any plausible suggestion of it.

That's all I'm saying.
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TheZug Donating Member (886 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:56 PM
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11. They refuse to deny.
This is what we're tired of.
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:05 PM
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16. They CANNOT deny... it's impossible to do so
They can deny that the campaign is pushing the photo, but they cannot deny that one of hundreds of people (unknown) sent somebody (unknown) an email that included that photo, which is from a 2006 online magazine article available to everyone with a computer.

I am not saying that happened, I am saying that it is impossible for a campaign to deny that anyone who works for them has ever sent an email to anyone citing that photo. There is no way to know.

All the campaign can deny is that it is a sanctioned campaign action.

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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:24 PM
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19. They won't deny, period.
Won't deny it was a sanctioned campaign action, won't deny anything.
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okasha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:06 AM
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26. They did deny it.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 01:59 PM
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13. Then why won't her campaign issue a denial?
Because they've very assiduously avoided denying responsibility for it, and that reeks to high heaven.
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HeraldSquare212 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:00 PM
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14. They weren't shy about being public with the 'radical' smear last week.
But as to your point, maybe they didn't expect Drudge to bite the hand that was feeding him.
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:07 PM
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17. Since she's used Drudge in the past and she has yet to deny this
It calls her credibility into question. Also even though the Muslim emails had been circulated for quite some time but some of her staff were fired when they forwarded these emails. Yes, critical thinking is our friend.
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:28 PM
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21. think even more critically
You have left out the possibility that Drudge flat out lied about where the photo came from, or that someone doing opposition work on the right cooked this up.

After all the lies disseminated about the Clintons by the "insane clown posse" comprised of Drudge, Coulter, Comstock, Lucianne, Bossie, etc., no one should believe this caper is anything but a vicious lie.

That's what the VRW echo chamber does. Lie about the Clintons.

Shame on anyone who gives credulity to Drudge.
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:59 PM
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23. The thing is, I DIDN'T give Drudge credibility, but I am bothered by the lack of denial...
...from the Clinton campaign.
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Barack_America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 02:53 PM
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22. Unfortunately, that's not what Drudge is claiming.
They are claiming that campaign "staffers" sent the photo directly to them, questioning why the press isn't carrying stories such as that one regarding Barack. So no, it wasn't just a photo that was e-mailed to them. It was a photo and a message expressing a desire that the baseless story be covered. They did not say that the e-mail was forwarded to them by a third party.

Do I trust Drudge to tell the truth? No. That's why I was looking for the Clinton campaign to vehemently deny Drudge's claim. Thus far, they have declined to do so.

So what am I to think about their involvement in this matter? Why not at least condemn the tactic and promise that they will look into it and fire all those involved?
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mcg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-25-08 11:52 PM
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25. It's very easy to send an anomymous email, it's more likely a Rovian stunt. n/t
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