Now thats a response!!!! good for you Obama!

[ORDagnabbit]

Plouffe said in a statement: "On the very day that Senator Clinton is giving a speech about restoring respect for America in the world, her campaign has engaged in the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election. This is part of a disturbing pattern that led her county chairs to resign in Iowa, her campaign chairman to resign in New Hampshire, and it’s exactly the kind of divisive politics that turns away Americans of all parties and diminishes respect for America in the world," said Plouffe

[maddiejoan]

1. It's good for Obama's Campaign

to smear another Democrat with nothing but an unproven slime piece from Matt Drudge?


uhm


okay.

[tabatha]

5. Hillary's campaign has not denied it.

[maddiejoan]

6. There is nothing for them to deny

[tridim]

9. Except Drudge's accusation.

[dchill]

You are SO funny!

[maddiejoan]

12. I am?

What do they need to deny?

[anigbrowl]

19. That they circulated the photo, along with the text:

"Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?"

[maddiejoan]

22. So?

That's wrong?

We're talking about a photo that was published in the National Examiner (3 million circulation) 3 weeks ago.

So --the story is what?

Clinton staffer responds to an emailed pic with
"Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?"


That's your big story? That's what Ploufe is having a hissy-fit over?

[JackORoses]

24. Why did they pick this specific photo to send out. There are thousands of photos of Obama.

They sent this photo for a specific reason and you know it.

I pray that you do not act as dumb in real life as you pretend to be in support of Hillary.

[maddiejoan]

28. They didn't 'send it'

How hard is that for you to understand?

[JackORoses]

31. when an email goes out, that is called being 'sent'

Regardless of whether the email's text was a forward of a previous email.

Hillary's staffer entered Reporters email addresses in the 'To:' field.
Then he/she clicked 'Send'.

The email was Sent.
Does it really matter where the photo initially came from?
A Hillary staffer was responsible for sending it on to reporters. This is a fact.

I really would like to know why you think that because the initial photo was forwarded to the staffer, this somehow takes the staffer's actions out of question.

If the staffer had not chosen to send the photo out, it wouldn't have gotten any further than their Inbox.

[maddiejoan]

32. *cough*

"A Hillary staffer was responsible for sending it on to reporters. This is a fact."

No, sweetie --it's NOT a fact at all.

[anigbrowl]

34. It's an allegation on Drudge's part - but;

Drudge is a gossip-monger, but well-respected for having his facts straight. He has no desire to get sued for libel or slander, and it would injure his reputation as a reliable source.

Hating him because he broke the Lewinsky story doesn't mean he's right wing or that he's got no journalistic standards.

So if he's alleging it came from a Clinton staffer, I'd imagine he carefully checked the originating email address before going 'into print' with such an allegation.

[maddiejoan]

36. That of course does not mean

that it was sent by a Clinton staffer to anyone in the media or Drudge or one of Drudge's reporters.

It simply means they somehow got a hold of an internal e-mail from a staffer.

The photo in question was already in wide circulation and published in the National Examiner (circulation 3 million) on February 4.

[anigbrowl]

38. You seem to have a fact deficit.

The photo was published in the National Examiner, not the Enquirer. The examiner has a circulation of ~400,000. I mention this merely for the purposes of accuracy.



How do you know it was an internal email from a staffer? I ask merely for information.

[maddiejoan]

41. Okay

Doesn't really change my point --but I'll stipulate to that.

Examiner is also from AMI --just like it's sister publication.

[JackORoses]

39. how did the email get to the reporters?

why does the Clinton campaign refuse to deny it originated with them?

Please, if you have any evidence that provides a defense for Hillary, I would like to see it.

If it turns out that I am indeed correct, will your opinion of Hillary change?

[maddiejoan]

44. If you can prove to me

that Hillary Clinton or even Maggie Williams or even anyone remotely high up the food chain purposely sent that photo (not a response to a forward either --that it came unsolicited) to a reporter it would make me think less of Hillary.

[anigbrowl]

33. Get your facts straight

1. The story was in the National Examiner (~400,000 circulation), not the National Enquirer. Since few people on here likely bother to read any tabloids, I assume this is a mistake, though it hasn't stopped numerous people from endlessly repeating it. Hint: do some research before shooting your mouth off.

2. Drudge's story *alleges* (in other words, does not provide proof for) that the photo was circulated as part of an email containing the text "Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?". Ther is nothing in the story about a Clinton staffer 'responding' to an emailed pick. In other words, Drudge is alleging that the Clinton campaign went out of their way to draw attention to the photo.

I assume the factual mistakes in your response are due to incompetence rather than malice or a desire to twist the facts.

[JackORoses]

13. of course there is nothing to deny. It is true that they sent out the photo.

You cannot honestly deny something that actually happened.

I'm glad you are starting to accept the facts on the ground.
:thumbsup:

[maddiejoan]

17. Did they recieve it?

Did a Clinton campaign staffer respond to it?

Yes to both.

That's all you got.

:shrug:

[JackORoses]

23. you admit that the Clinton Camp sent out the photo, and you still do not understand what is wrong?

[maddiejoan]

27. I don't admit they "sent it out"

I admit that someone on the staff recieved it somehow and responded to it with "
"Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?"


'Cos that's all we know.

And I don't see anything wrong with that. Nope.

[anigbrowl]

37. What's your evidence?

Go on, back your statement up. This seems to be entirely a figment of your imagination, as I haven't seen that course of events mentioned in a single news article. Are you saying Drudge sent the picture to the Clinton campaign?

[maddiejoan]

40. Where is your evidence?

Here is the DRUDGE story. My comments in italic

With a week to go until the Texas and Ohio primaries, stressed Clinton staffers circulated a photo over the weekend of a "dressed" Barack Obama.

what does this mean? Who were these 'staffers'? What is meant by the term 'circulated'?

The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat frontrunner fitted as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya.

Okay --so then what's the problem?

The senator was on a five-country tour of Africa.

"Wouldn't we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?" questioned one campaign staffer, in an email obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT.

e-mail was OBTAINED. It was not 'sent' --and what is wrong with the staffer's comment on the photo?

In December, the campaign asked one of its volunteer county coordinators in Iowa to step down after the person forwarded an e-mail falsely stating that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Which indicates the Clinton campaign does not take this stuff lightly

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe quickly accused the Clinton campaign Monday of 'shameful offensive fear-mongering' for circulating the snap.

Certainly ready with a response that blames Clinton before any facts are in evidence

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams responds: "If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed."

Damned right

Developing...

[anigbrowl]

35. Er no.

You say someone sent it to the Clinton campaign and a staffer responded to it. What is your evidence for this assertion, please? Because you are the only person I've seen offering this version of events.

[maddiejoan]

42. Because we KNOW that it didn't originate with the Clinton Campaign

It's a published photo.

At some point they must have recieved it. right?

Or did a Clinton staffer also drug Obama, dress him up like that and take the photograph?

[jlake]

2. I think Plouffe doth protest too much.

[Cant trust em]

8. We haven't heard a denial from the Clinton campaign yet

Either they know that someone in their campaign sent this out and don't want to fess up or they're not sure yet and don't want to get caught in a lie. What they should be doing, if they really want to wash their hands of this, would be to say that if it turns out that someone in their campaign did send this out they will be fired immediately.

This is pretty ugly and Clinton needs to distance herself more than what has happened so far. Plouffe is right to blast this.

[jgraz]

3. Damn. That's gonna leave a mark.

:wow:

[TexasObserver]

4. That's what I'm talkin' about! Take the high road. Comment on the sleaziness, and talk issues.

Good response.

[anamandujano]

7. Take the high road, in tandem with Sludge.

[LisaM]

10. THAT'S the high road? LOLOL.

Accusing her of providing a (real, by the way) photo to DRUDGE with no proof, then making a statement like that about her?


:rofl:

[HeraldSquare212]

11. You have to admit, it's consistent with the attempted 'radical' smear last week.

It wouldn't be out of character for her campaign to have done this.

[anamandujano]

20. You're forgetting to look at Obama's character and the goal of

the MSM at this time, i.e. defeat Hillary in the primaries, since Repukes know they can't defeat her in the general.

Obama, with the help of the MSM have defined Hillary as dirty politics. Why not keep it up until Obama steals the nomination?

[HeraldSquare212]

21. I'd say you're pretty far from conventional wisdom on your assertions.

[anamandujano]

29. If your wisdom=conventional wisdom, then for once we agree.

Don't let it go to your head. :)

[TexasObserver]

25. It's entirely consistent with the sleazy ways Hillary has been running her campaign.

[Debi]

14. But Mo Elleithee said the picture wasn't divisive - so it just CAN'T BE!

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0208/More_on_the_photo.html#comments

A Clinton spokesman, Mo Elleithee, denied knowledge of whether someone on the campaign circulated that image of Obama in Somali garb -- and defended the email, arguing that the text Drudge quotes suggests the context image was a (very familiar-sounding!) matter of complaining about press coverage, not pushing a negative story to the press.

<snip>

He also tried to push back at Obama: "We think it is wrong for the Obama campaign to say that this is divisive photo. It’s not a divisive photo."

[AtomicKitten]

15. Yahtzee!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

16. Not A Bad Response. Hillary's Was Far Better Though.

She outmatched him this time. He fell prey and she didn't. Experience showed here.

His response was good, hers was brilliant.

[itcfish]

18. The Are Assuming Hillary is Guilty?

Is there any proof?

[The_Casual_Observer]

26. Is there something wrong with that photo? Was Obama forced to take it?

Is he embarrassed by that photo? Does he regret wearing those clothes? Did he smear himself by looking like that?

[NoodleyAppendage]

30. A tactful way of stating the FACT that Clinton is a Bigot and a Racist. n/t

J

[Radical Activist]

43. People who attack Obama always end up getting hurt more than it hurts him.

Its one of his great skills as a campaigner.

[MethuenProgressive]

45. The photo was in the National Fucking Enquirer (circ @ 3 mil) weeks ago!

Plouffy is an ignorant hack.

[1776Forever]

46. Huffinton Post says Drudge "quoted an e-mail from an unidentified campaign aide"

Obama Photo Causes Stir

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/25/obama-photo-causes-stir_n_88272.html

JIM KUHNHENN | February 25, 2008 12:50 PM EST | AP

(snip)

The gossip and news Web site The Drudge Report posted the photograph Monday and said it was being circulated by "Clinton staffers" and quoted an e-mail from an unidentified campaign aide.