DU played for fools, by Drudge

[NJmaverick]

You know when a group is not united, it's not all that hard to take advantage of them. In this case it was Drudge. Sadly Drudge came out looking fair and balanced, by showing that it's not unusual for US leaders to don local garb.

Now he posts the picture of Obama, says it came from Hillary and watched the sparks fly. It flew here at DU and even between the Hillary and Obama camps. You know what, everyone was made to look the fool and weakened by falling for Matt D.'s rather lame ass stunt.


The republicans have become masters of this game. Hell, they are even doing studies to see how far they can push the racial or sex angle, when they attack the eventual Dem winner. They are with out any ethical considerations, they are quite practiced and they are not stupid. If we don't bring our A game and think before acting, they will play us like a violin. Time to start directing the venom toward those that deserve it Bush/Rove/NeoCons/Republicans/Right Wingers.

So let us present a united front, instead of a vulnerable chasm.

[Maddy McCall]

1. Thank you, nomad.

I agree.

[Dinger]

2. Played Like A Strad Fiddle

That's for damn sure.

[HeraldSquare212]

3. Waht you're saying would apply if her campaign hadn't sent him the picture.

[xultar]

8. So you believe Drudge. And everything he says.

:rofl:

[NJmaverick]

11. I believe Drudge played the Dems and DU for fools

That's what I believe. Doesn't even matter to me if he told the truth or not, that wasn't the point of his actions.

[HeraldSquare212]

14. Nope, I'm still waiting for the denial, though.

It seems to me the story that's being pushed is that a staffer emailed it to him, in the context of complaining about unfair media coverage. But that just raises the question: if Drudge is such scum, why was the Clinton campaign emailing him?

[guruoo]

16. And of course, you'll accept the denial and move on

if and when it comes? :rofl:

[HeraldSquare212]

21. If it's credible - I know they like to smear Obama, as per the 'radical' smear last week.

So I think at this point the burden is on them to prove it.

[NJmaverick]

26. If Drudge is lying, do you think he would use a hard to believe

lie? Come on, we all know what Drudge's goals are. We all know he lies to achieve those goals. Even if he is telling the truth, it doesn't mean Hillary approved of the action. It could have just as easily been a campaign worker acting on their own, and desperate. Either way I don't care. I am not going to let an A-Hole like Matt Drudge accomplish his goals, because I can assure you his goals are not good for this nation.

[HeraldSquare212]

28. self-delete - dupe

[NJmaverick]

33. Drudged tossed us a sword

and we all obliged him, by killing each other with it.

[HeraldSquare212]

32. Sorry, it's hard to give them the benefit of the doubt after the 'radical' smear last week

You live by the sword, you die by the sword. I realize Drudge may have objectives here, too - but I see no reason why Clinton should get a free pass because of that.

[guruoo]

55. In other words, you require that Hillary prove a negative.

BTW: When did you stop beating your wife?

[NJmaverick]

18. I am not going to let Matt Drudge manipulate me

You know it's like the old dog bite story

Dog bite you once, shame on him

Dog bite you twice, shame on you


What do you need to be mauled, nearly to death, before you stay away from the Drudge err I mean the dog?

[rodeodance]

22. Why are letting Drudge manipulate you?

[northzax]

41. Do you deny you are still a racist, Senator?

why hasn't Obama denied that he has sex with barnyard animals? If he's not denying the rumour, then I have to wonder why?

this rumor came from as reputable a source as the DrudgeReport. so why isn't he denying it? is it true? was it sheep? cows? pigs? chickens? what?

[JackORoses]

19. I believe that if Hillary's camp could deny sending the photo, they would already have done so

We have learned that coming from a Clinton, a non-denial is the best you can ever hope for.
They will never actually admit something straight up.

Just look at Iraq,
Hillary might not deny that it was a mistake, but she will never admit this openly.

[rodeodance]

25. You were taken for a fool. Live with it.

[JackORoses]

50. How do you live with the knowledge that all your Hillary-mania will soon be over?

Do you sit alone and cry at times?

[rodeodance]

52. You will have to go to a de-programing place to de-toxify your mind of the Hillary-hate postings.

[NJmaverick]

56. That's over the top JackORoses

Be happy your candidate is doing well and should some apathy for the other side.

[JackORoses]

57. oh, tis all in jest. Rodeoclown and I have a long running sparring match.

I think you meant 'show some empathy for the other side' but you made a great Freudian slip.

Apathy is all I really have for the Hillarites. I pity them more than I dislike them.

I see them all as brainwashing victims. Like Frodo with Smeagol, I always hold out hope that they can come back.
I really do hope that they recover in time to join the rest of us in our march into a brighter Future.

[emilyg]

48. You believe Drudge? How naive.

[arewenotdemo]

54. I believe Maggie. She said it all, pretty damned clearly, too.

[Pawel K]

4. Hopefully after March 4th we can all unite behind Obama.

:)

[Dinger]

6. Let's Just Hope The Obama Supporters Who Give A Shit Start Show Up

Don't ask.

[SammyWinstonJack]

10. ...

:spray:

[Dinger]

5. Oh Yeah, K & R

I STILL can't believe the admins haven't stepped in here.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

15. Skinner has said, more than once, that he's been ...

enjoying what's been happening here. Don't look for them to step in and restore sanity to this place.

[Dinger]

49. That's Just Lovely

And I just sent a donation too.

[zabet]

7. I agree.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=4761303&mesg_id=4761722

[thoughtcrime1984]

9. Is it a known fact that Drudge is solely to blame?

If it is, then we can put this bed, and hopefully avoid long-term divison in the party. It will be very difficult, though, given everything that has happened. We, as a Party, need to defeat the Repubs in the GE, and only strong cohesion will allow us to do this. I hope that if this race does not tighten after March 4th, that perhaps we all can come together and let wounds heal up for August-November.

[NJmaverick]

13. It doesn't matter if Drudge is telling the truth or not

Matt certainly doesn't care. His goal was to disrupt the Dems and push them further apart and weaken them. That is what he managed to do and do well.

[ProSense]

12. Hillary's campaign got caught. Here's Wolfson's denying involvement and agreeing in part with Drudge

On a conference call with reporters just now, Hillary spokesperson Howard Wolfson strongly denied any role in pushing the photo of Obama in a turban and Somali garb.

Drudge reported this morning that Clinton staffers had "circulated" the photo. He didn't say who circulated it, what level of Clinton staffer had circulated it, or to whom it had been circulated. Nonetheless, the media has been all over the story today.

Asked if the campaign had any role, Wolfson said, "No, not to my knowledge...I've never seen that picture before. I'm not aware that anyone else here has. I'm not aware that anyone here has circulated this e-mail."

Wolfson did say, however, that the campaign agreed with part of the message in the email -- that if the same photo had appeared of Hillary, it would have been a big story: "It is a common view among this campaign and our supporters that there is a difference in how the media covers our campaign and how it covers Senator Obama."

link

Damage control.

This latest incident is different in that it comes on the heels of Hillary's campaign and her surrogates promoting Obama's ties to "former members of a radical domestic terrorist group."

Hillary Clinton woos man who nearly ruined her husband

Earlier this month, Ms Clinton's staff leaked campaign fundraising data to the website just as her rival for the nomination, Barack Obama, was to deliver a policy speech on Iraq - and a crucial 20 minutes before the official release of the information. The story on Ms Clinton's fundraising prowess dominated the news cycle.

Mark Penn is in bed with Drudge.

Obama's campaign would not connect Hillary to the latest attack story without validation.

It has happened before and Axelrod denounced the attempts to link Hillary's campaign to an attack:

The article further reported that Obama strategist David Axelrod said he did not "believe ... for a second" the allegation that Clinton's camp was behind the story.

This latest incident is different in that it comes on the heels of Hillary's campaign and her surrogates promoting Obama's ties to "former members of a radical domestic terrorist group."

Hillary is manipulative and calculating. She is going after anyone ignorant of the facts. Did I say desperate.

[JackORoses]

23. "Not to my knowledge...I am not aware" sounds like Alberto Gonzales

[Catherine Vincent]

17. Imo, it looks like he played the O supporters for fools. nt

[NJmaverick]

20. Played anyone that REACTED to the Drudge story

as fools, be they Hillary or Obama supporters. Looks like he stil suckering in some of us.

[Catherine Vincent]

29. uh, no. I checked in a couple of hours ago and most of the outcry is from O supporters.

nt

[NJmaverick]

38. Both sides reacted and were taken in

We are making it too easy for the Drudge and his allies.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

31. Nope. Reaction Is Ok, As Long As It's Rational And Objective.

He suckered all those that had emotional reactions to it, and by and far that was on the Obama side. I've never seen a supposed 'strong' group crumble so quickly in my life. It was really embarrassing for a lot of them, and quite revealing.

GDP today has been a joke. Let's hope when the sun rises tomorrow, people get their heads back on a bit straighter.

[NJmaverick]

36. I see reactions from both sides

So I am not blaming one side or the other. I am blaming all those that were easily manipulated by Drudge's simple stunt. Think with our heads people, not our hearts.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

44. Agreed.

[Catherine Vincent]

46. I agree.

Some of the Obama supporters are going ape shit blaming everyone from Hillary to their momma. :)

[rodeodance]

24. Thank you

[Perry Logan]

27. Those wingers are just too clever for us.

[NJmaverick]

30. So it would appear

Hopefully we can all learn from this mistake and not let it happen again. Been my experience, when there is infighting, even the simple minded can take advantage of the chaos. Heck children, at an early age, learn how to exploit divorced parents. So Drudge is as least as smart as a 4th grader.

[leveymg]

34. So, who needs to get pushed into a fight around here?

Thought this place was already like an Aztek lacrosse field

[stillcool]

35. It's a 'shame'...

it must be assumed to be true..as it is the Clinton campaign's modus operandi

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."



Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

[DemBones DemBones]

37. It is a pleasure to hear from an Obama supporter who wants unity.

Some who claim to be Obama supporters seem determined to take Clinton down even if they destroy the Democratic Party in the process. I don't think Senator Obama would be proud of their actions. I wonder whether they are even supporting him.


You are so right when you say:

"The republicans have become masters of this game. Hell, they are even doing studies to see how far they can push the racial or sex angle, when they attack the eventual Dem winner. They are with out any ethical considerations, they are quite practiced and they are not stupid. If we don't bring our A game and think before acting, they will play us like a violin. Time to start directing the venom toward those that deserve it Bush/Rove/NeoCons/Republicans/Right Wingers."

"So let us present a united front, instead of a vulnerable chasm."

[mohc]

39. We all should have been attackng Drudge

But of course that did not happen. The Obama supporters that feel, rightly or wrongly, that the Clinton campaign has been guilty of so many unfair attacks that this story rang true to them reacted by dumping all the blame on Clinton. Clinton supporters that feel basically the same about the Obama campaign reacted to the attack from the Obama campaign. There is no way you will get an objective analysis of this issue on DU, each camp will basically defend themselves and place the blame on the other camp. But what happens here in DU is of little importance, as it has almost no effect on the "real world". My bigger concern was how both campaigns were brought into the fray. Neither campaign reacted well, the responses should have been more measured. Notice how the McCain reaction to the NYT lobbyist story was to simply go after the NYT, not addressing the issue at all? It worked. The Obama campaign could have gone after Drudge instead of Clinton, and still gotten the message across about how silly this kind of attack is. Similarly, the Clinton campaign could very easily have said the attack was uncalled for and that we should not be trusting Drudge of all sources.

[liberalnurse]

40. You are my HERO

A voice of reason, wisdom and honor. The essense of DU of days gone by.

You give homage to the DU'ERs who have left their imprint and gone to the big DU Board in Heaven.

[Why Syzygy]

42. As soon as Hillary drops out. We will unite.

Personally, I haven't reacted to anything Drudge, nor do I plan to. No worries there.

I did find out Hillary is a lesbian from a thread here at DU.

[RememberWellstone]

51. As soon as Obi drops out

we will be fine.

[Capn Sunshine]

43. Thank goodness the REAL WORLD IS MORE LOGICAL

DU is a weird aberration of secret freeper shit stirrers, seriously wacked out internet posters amd some overtly sensitive old schoolers wondering what the hell happened to their beloved site.

In the REAL WORLD, there is very little discord among the various camps. All have pledged to support the eventual nominee without threatening to stay home.

In fact, those that purport this ( staying home) in the real world are considered seriously deranged or spplinter faction dead enders and comprise maybe .5 % of the electorate.

OUT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD

[NastyRiffraff]

45. Nomad, thank you for your sanity

You're one of the good guys.

So now some people on these boards take DRUDGE as a reliable source of news? What next? Freeperville?

Drudge is well known for his attacks on Democrats, and he'll use any means available to do so. This was clearly two-fer--an attack on both candidates. There is absolutely no benefit to the Clinton campaign to distribute this, especially when it had already been very widely distributed through the Examiner, in a very ugly story. Drudge knows of the division in the party, and exploited it very well. He very likely doesn't care who wins the primary; further dividing Democrats was the point.

Sadly, Drudge has achieved his goal.

[Barack_America]

47. Couldn't it also work like the NYT's article did for McCain?

And unify support around Obama. Rabid Hillary supporters aside, most Dems who hear about this won't look kindly upon the Clinton campaign. And they won't be hearing it from Drudge; they'll be hearing it from ABCnews, CBS, etc.

I'm just still waiting for Hillary's campaign to vehemently deny Drudge's claim.

[donheld]

53. People at DU should know better

They should know never ever take anything from Drudge. EVER.