Governor Rendell's solution to the FL MI fiasco..."shoot Howard Dean."

[madfloridian]

Oh, ha ha. It says he said it jokingly. Maybe he did, I was not there. A little obvious, though.

Asked how the party should resolve the impasse, Rendell said, jokingly:

"Shoot (DNC Chairman) Howard Dean."

Other governors at the DGA conference weighed in as well.

Two leading governors tout the Democratic Party's rules. Seating barred delegates, they say, is a suspect proposal.

WASHINGTON -- Two prominent Democratic governors, both supporters of Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's presidential campaign, voiced doubts Saturday about her argument that her victories in Florida and Michigan should count toward her delegate total. Pennsylvania's Edward G. Rendell and New Jersey's Jon Corzine suggested that it would be seen as unfair to award those delegates to Clinton, given the Democratic Party's ruling that the vote in those two states would not count.

More from Rendell, and I disagree. There is no way to justify seating Florida's delegates.

Rendell said the Clinton camp could not make a convincing case that Michigan delegates should be added to her column: "You can't make any argument in Michigan, because Hillary was the only person who was on the ballot. I'm as avid a Hillary supporter as there is, but I don't think we can make an argument in Michigan."

In Florida, Rendell said, the Clinton campaign can mount a "tenable argument" that delegates should be awarded.

He does admit it is not a good solution.

When it comes to Florida, Rendell said, "At least you can make a tenable argument . . . I'm not sure it's a winning argument."

Corzine, Manchin, and Bredesen weigh in.

Corzine said that a fair resolution would be for the two states to vote again. Because of their importance in presidential elections, neither state should be "disenfranchised," said Corzine, who has endorsed Clinton. In the face of the Democratic National Committee ruling that the votes in Michigan and Florida would not count, he said it would not be acceptable to change the rules.

"I hate to see anyone disenfranchised, but my gut reaction to that whole thing is there were a bunch of rules that were set and you just don't go changing the rules after the fact," said Gov. Phil Bredesen of Tennessee.

Gov. Joe Manchin III of West Virginia suggested an alternative: splitting Michigan's and Florida's delegates evenly so that voters in those states would not feel disenfranchised.

Considering the fact that two lawsuits and Supreme Court ruling are on the side of the DNC...perhaps they should leave it alone.

[BeyondGeography]

1. and say a black guy did it

[Vinca]

36. A black guy wearing a skirt. nt

[thoughtcrime1984]

2. Yeah shoot Howard Dean

Real fucking funny. I'm thinking Rendell might be a bag of douche.

[Barack_America]

3. I can't believe that I pay that assclown's salary.

That coment is beyond inexcusable.

:mad:

[cali]

4. holy shit. that's just repulsive.

[TwilightGardener]

5. Jesus, what a fucking idiot.

[fadedrose]

51. It alll seems so useless

We all want to badly to get the Dems in office again....PA finally gets a Dem for governor and look at what a moron he turns out to be.

The elected officials of Michigan caused the primary/delegate mess by not obeying the rules.

I'm starting to wonder why we think the Dems in power might be better than the Reps. The way they've been voting in the Senate, the lack of strong leadership in the Senate, and the unethical leadership of the governors and Dem senators makes me think that we aren't choosing our candidates very wisely (or is it the DLC who is not choosing for us wisely?).

[Tarc]

6. It can't be "left alone". It a mess with many hands involved, and it needs to be fixed

one way or another. Leaving both states out completely is going to send a very bad message come time for the general election.

[madfloridian]

8. Hey, it is a problem of the states' doing and has no solution.

From instigator to victim. It was a Dem who introduced the early primary bill in Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1829

How it began last August....how Florida Democrats began their propaganda war
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1819

Think I exaggerate about Florida's attitude? Here's a county chairperson's rant against Dean.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1827

Enough of this. Florida Democrats now threaten Dean and the DNC with a "voting rights probe".
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1453

The "appropriate legal official" to "investigate" Dean and the DNC...is...Gonzales.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1452

Nelson: "I will lead the delegates to Denver whether or not the DNC plans to let them in."
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1455

Two summaries of the DNC committee ruling about Florida.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1456

Florida sowed the seeds of a propaganda war against the DNC.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1458

Proof. Vindication. Both Florida parties did it for "relevance." From March.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1459

The latest Florida propaganda tactic here about attacking the DNC...local email.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1460

Florida's Geller joked about his amendment: "sarcasm and audible laughter in chamber"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1461

One Florida county is saying there will be further bloodshed. Much argument here today.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1462

Florida Democratic Party website building anger toward the DNC
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1465

Democratic activist sues over loss of Florida delegates
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1466

"Dean was conciliatory and offered DNC help for the state"..hour long phone call
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1467

Gelber admits they did not fight the GOP about the primary.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1468

"Primary bully Florida ought to be ashamed"...four articles catch on to Florida's primary ploy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1469

Bill Nelson today will file a bill for regional primaries...but first he had to get your attention
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1478

Bill Nelson today: "DNC penalties unacceptable, unacceptable, unacceptable"
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1479

Carl Levin and Terry McAuliffe made a deal about primaries in 2004.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1483

Email from Florida DEC chairs saying not to give to the DNC or candidates.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1481

Pelosi says it is not Florida's fault at all. So if the speaker says it I must be wrong.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1567

"Florida Democrats are all for it"...March 2006. All for the early primary that far ahead.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1564

Details on how Florida worked with the GOP to set the early primary date.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1617

Nobody sued Terry McAuliffe when he said Michigan's delegates would not get near Boston.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1638

Nelson and Levin of Michigan file the bill today. It's getting deeper
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1741

My postings about the heartbreak of the Florida primary fiasco.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1607

Florida Dems at convention have button that says "Screw Dean"...very classy.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1608

Senate leader ponders suing 'rogue states' over primary
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1527

[Tarc]

28. Neither the time nor the inclination to follow a dozen old topics, sorry

Whether it is right or wrong, these states have to be given a say at the convention. To do otherwise ignores the political reality that denying the delegates outright will likely cost the Democratic nominee both states in the fall.

[madfloridian]

31. So facts bother you? You just want your opinion to count? No facts?

That is really sort of sad, you know.

The delegates may be given a place to sit at convention, but they are NOT going to count toward the nominee.

The DNC has a Supreme Court ruling, and two recent lawsuits on its side.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1848

[Tarc]

42. Are you really so stupid that you need the point repeated to you?

Again?

Supreme Courts decisions and lawsuits are entirely besides the point. If the voters of two of the most critical states to a general election win are told to pound sand, that their voices do not matter to the Democratic Party, then a crucial number will take that as the insult that it is and either go to McCain, go 3rd party, or stay home.

It doesn't matter what you've won in court before, it doesn't matter that the state party reps are a bunch of fucking morons for moving the primaries up without permission. What matters is slighting voters that are needed to win the presidency.

[madfloridian]

44. Oh, now, come on. Last night I was a loon..now I am just stupid?

"Are you really so stupid that you need the point repeated to you?"

That is what you said.

Is there a get madfloridian mad influx going on here? Hmmm....mm..

Last night I was asked how young I was because I wasn't very bright.

This is getting old and getting tired.

[Tarc]

48. Nice dodge

/golf clap

[madfloridian]

49. There is an attempt lately here to hurt my credibility.

It is pretty obvious. I am stupid, I can't read, I have been called a loon, arrogant...been asked if I were a teen-ager.

I am on guard and I will speak out on the attempts. I post stuff that is true and well-sourced.

I hate to see DU descending into a place that is not credible. It is sad to watch.

[madfloridian]

53. In fact, I must be making a difference in some way...

for this to be happening in every thread.

I am so used to it now.

[apocalypsehow]

60. Tarc said: "Nice dodge." Ahem:

"Neither the time nor the inclination to follow a dozen old topics, sorry"

Irony is an aesthetic which the Hillary boosters must be particularly deficient at decoding - or recognizing.

[apocalypsehow]

59. I've found that confronting HRC boosters with facts is a waste of time. Anything that does not

put The Coronation back on track is of little interest to them. So, when confronted with irrefutable facts, here is a sampling of their pat responses I've encountered multiple times so far:

1. "I have neither the time nor the inclination..."

2. "You're stalking/harassing me."

3. "I'm putting you on ignore."

4. "You are stupid."

5. "Freeper-troll-paid-RNC-operative."

6. "You've only been here a month."

7. "I'll bet you went to a community college."

8. "Deleted Message ------>Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules."

9. On edit, forgot my favorite: "You put a comma in the wrong place."

Among many others I can't think of off the top of my head. Oddly, I have yet to see a single Obama supporter engage in these tactics, at least consistently. It seems to be SOP with the angriest of the Clinton supporters.

[cali]

21. it will be. the nominee will be decided before

much longer. In all likelihood Hillary will drop out next wednesday and then FL and MI will be academic.

[Tarc]

26. Lay down the crack pipe, please, Hillary is not dropping out.

[madfloridian]

29. "crack pipe"...lowering the discourse. She might drop out.

People here who have been staunchly in her corner, including members of the DEC...are turning to Obama. They don't say much just that they are.

When it comes down to it, she just might decide to do it.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

7. kicked, recommended and appreciated. Rendell stupid speak again

thank you for keeping us up to date on this.

[yellowcanine]

9. I am sure Rendell wishes he had that one back. That said, his other comments

were relatively reasonable. Get him and Dean and a few other Democratic "heavies" together and work something out to present to the DNC, the two states, and the two candidates. Do it now, before the Pennsylvania primary so that current events do not color the decision making so much.

[madfloridian]

12. Florida delegates will not nor should they count toward picking a nominee.

The states knew what they were doing.

[JVS]

10. Howard should get a restraining order on him and then he can't come to the convention.

[Cha]

41. Yeah, make him accountable for

his canary brain and aligator mouth.

[JimGinPA]

11. I Like Rendell, I think His Hillary Endorsement Was Quid Pro Quo...

When Obama wins the nomination I'd like to believe he'll be an asset here in PA for Obama as well as the party. Just my opinion.

[tishaLA]

23. He was buddies with Bill when Clinton was Pres

and Ed was mayor. They are very similar, those two, in terms of their personal liabilities.

I also think he's much closer to Clinton ideologically and paradigmatically than he is to Sen Obama.

[shance]

13. I would hope the Governor being Howard Dean won't allow such a threat to go unattended.

Rendell may have been laughing, but he knows a threat like that is in fact an act of aggression, irregardless of party.

[yellowcanine]

14. Don't make too much of it. He should not have said it but it is not worth getting panties in a wad

either. Even governors say stupid things sometimes.

[FredScuttle]

18. Ok, then

I hope a deranged lunatic plunges a butcher knife into your back the next time you're walking down the street.


I keed! I keed! Hey, even DU posters say stupid things sometimes.

[yellowcanine]

19. Context is everything......

[Hawkeye-X]

15. Rendell should have a Dem primary challenger...

If he even said that jokingly, Howard Dean should not forget it and find a replacement for the hack of a Dem. I am not from Pa, and I am just guessing that he is not paying attention to his own state, and he needs a viable challenger to make him understand that his shit will not be tolerated. Period.

[TheDonkey]

32. fortunately this is his final term due to term limits. The guy is an ass and I am embarassed

for supporting him

[Hawkeye-X]

38. Oh good. Hopefully you have someone better than him lined up

:)

[Debi]

16. Disgusting

x(

[K Gardner]

17. Sounds about par for the course from the Clinton Camp/Surrogates

[madfloridian]

45. I think ....

I agree with you.

[Unsane]

20. Clinton and her surrogates continue to attack Dr. Dean.

They hate Dean and everything he stands for.

[IndianaGreen]

22. The DNC voted for the sanctions

Are the Clintonistas preparing for a Stalinist solution to get their "delegates" seated?

[Debi]

27. Harold Ickes voted for the sanctions

Does Rendell want to shoot him too?

[IndianaGreen]

30. Good idea! Let's start with the hypocrites first!

Nothing sadder than to see a Democratic campaign in meltdown, particularly when it could have been avoided with a graceful exit like Biden, Dodd, Edwards, Kucinich, Richardson.

[Debi]

33. The longer she goes the more her 'advisors' get paid n/t

[Hippo_Tron]

35. IndianaGreen I seem to remember you taking the opposite side of this one a few months back

What made you change your mind?

[IndianaGreen]

37. If you recall, I said the DNC should have stripped FL and MI of their superdelegates

because they were the ones responsible for the debacle they had created. I have always opposed punishing the voters for the misdeeds of their elected officials.

The deed is done!

The problem is that all the candidates pledged to honor the DNC's decision on the "rogue" states, Hillary's recent historical revisionism notwithstanding.

I now support the suggestion by FOB Paul Begala to hold "firehouse" caucuses in Florida and Michigan in late June, after the last contest in Puerto Rico. This will give the folks in those states a chance to vote for their candidates, all of them. Many voters did not vote in the primary because they knew the delegates had been stripped.

On edit:

As I stated on many occasions, the current idiotic system should be scrapped and replaced by rotating regional primaries.

[joshcryer]

39. Uh, the solution would be a vote proposal at the DNC. It would be DEMOCRATIC.

It seems people here wouldn't want a DEMOCRATIC process to go forward.

[Yael]

24. I cringe every time Fast Eddie opens his mouth.

What an embarrassment.

[AtomicKitten]

25. Howard Dean appears to be the only adult in this equation.

[Hippo_Tron]

34. No the solution is that Florida and Michigan should've held their primaries a week later

The DNC has no credibility if it doesn't enforce its own rules.

[Cha]

40. My reaction..What an asshole. But,

I already knew that. What a Stupid Asshole.

[ellisonz]

43. Asshole.

[madfloridian]

46. It is not funny, even if he were joking. Shows a condescension toward us.

Toward Obama and toward his supporters. The party acted the same way about Dean supporters in the last primary.

I am tired of the slow suffocation by superiority

It's not just one candidate over another. It's that for too long we've been told to sit down and shut up and that it's rude to give a damn, and that isn't living, that isn't life, that's not even death, not even that honest. That's slow suffocation by superiority, that's what that is.

[ellisonz]

47. We are the ones we have been waiting for.

;-)

[CreekDog]

50. I don't know how this guy can manage to speak one word

With his foot always in the way.

[last1standing]

52. Good grief! It was a joke.

I'm about as much a supporter of Howard Dean as you can get without snuggling up to a pillow with his face embroidered on it, but even I can read that and see it was just a lame joke. Rendell doesn't want anyone to shoot Dean and he's just stating an honest opinion as to his views regarding the delegate situation in Michigan and Florida. From what I can tell, it sounds like he agrees with the DNC for the most part.

I just don't see the problem here.

[madfloridian]

55. It is never a joke when you say condescending things.

Sorry, most in this thread agree it was not a funny thing to say.

It was governors' conference. It was not a place for such remarks. Dean used to be head of that group of governors. Some respect would be in order.

It is not funny. It is tasteless.

[last1standing]

57. Most people in this thread lost their sense of humor months ago.

Hell, I'm not saying it was a good joke, it was a stale old line that's been used a billion times already. It's the equivalent of asking a business associate if he's working hard or hardly working. Lame but people just expect to hear it.

We can continue making oceans out of puddles or we can focus on real problems. I know what I plan to do, what about you?

[madfloridian]

61. I am focusing on real problems. Read my journal sometime.

It was not anything but another effort to make Dean look bad and Hillary look good. He is making a lot of people in his state angry.

[Eurobabe]

54. Not so fast Eddie, you'll be hearing from me

I am one of your constituents and I don't like this kind of BS. And you'll be hearing from me about your superdelegate vote too. :mad: :grr: :mad:

[workinclasszero]

56. Ed Rendell another f'in DLC'er / Bush-Lite traitor eom

[AX10]

58. I like Rendell. Too bad he didn't consider running for the WH.

:kick:

[Jamastiene]

62. Not funny.

That is sooo not funny. He should apologize.

[jlake]

63. That's my gov. Not sure what he is thinking.

As much as Howard Dean is to be loathed, that is just not the right approach.

[madfloridian]

65. Howard Dean deserves respect, not the "loathing" you mention.

I think most people know that.

[jlake]

66. I know he doesn't deserve the fawning worship so many on here give him.

[madfloridian]

67. He is seldom discussed here anymore.

Fawning worship is another put down term used by the Hillary folks, just like calling us cult.

Enough. She will lose if it continues.

[anigbrowl]

68. Right, because taking back the house in 2006 was soooo embarrassing.

[madfloridian]

69. Good point.

:hi:

[Endangered Specie]

64. Well, Dean is Vermont, which is a free concealed carry state...

not so sure you'd want to go after ol Dean.

[crispini]

70. This is VERY kickworthy

I missed it first time around.

[madfloridian]

73. And...

another for good measure. :hi:

[blm]

71. TeamClinton plays like McAuliffe, Carville, Rendell are the Asshole wing of the Democratic Party.

They really are.

And that list of members can go on for miles.

THIS is the wing of the party that has been making most every decision about the path of the party since 1993. How did that work out for our party from 1993-2005?

[madfloridian]

72. Amen. Rendell coming up on CNN any minute now.

:hi: