How did Drudge get an email circulated by the Clinton campaign if they didn't give it to him?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

I finally looked at his site and he is claiming that he has an email. It boils down to this: Is there such an email? If so, how did Drudge get it? The Clinton campaign is not denying the existence of an email. So either someone from her camp gave it to Drudge, or they don't have very good control over information there and Drudge was able to intercept a private message.

Either way, doesn't say much for Clinton's campaign.

[thepurpose]

1. Drudge could have got this himself. I don't trust the guy at all.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

2. How? By hacking into the campaign's email?

Seriously, do you think if Drudge had that ability he would have wasted it on the Obama photo?

[thepurpose]

6. He could have gotten this photo by other means. Do you think the Clinton campaign was there taking

this photo?

[anigbrowl]

10. What other means?

Do you have something specific in mind or are you just BSing?

[thepurpose]

20. WTF. Why do I have to justify where fucking Drudge got a photo?

ARe you saying that you believe 100 percent that Drudge could have not gotten this picture from a GOP operative and blaming this on Clinton. I not saying the Clinton's didn't do it I'm saying I dont' trust Drudge as far as I can throw him.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

25. It's a pretty simple matter to demand that Drudge produce the email.

The Clinton camp is neither doing that nor are they denying its existence.

[persistant]

52. This was done by Obama Thugs

it was an innocuous photo, and they knew it would piss off people
against Clinton.

Some of these guys infiltrated our blog from Daily Kos, and little
oddities started happend. See my post below.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

57. Obama thugs were able to infiltrate the Clinton campaign's email?

Doesn't say much for their ability to control information. Or your ability to protect your blog from interlopers.

[anigbrowl]

42. So you have no idea, really - is that correct?

You dispute the idea that it could have come from the Clinton campaign, but you can't explain how he would have got hold of it from the Clinton campaign unless he was flat-out making it up?

I am OK with it if you want to say he's plat out making it up, just trying to work out what your actualy belief is.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

11. Yes, he could have gotten the photo anywhere. It was published in a newspaper.

But the email, that he claims to have, is a different story.

[Whisp]

16. so he said this email was from the Clinton camp?

sorry, not up on details on this.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

21. Yes. I won't link to his sewer but that's what he says.

That he has an email circulated among Clinton staffers, grousing about how the MSM would be saturated with coverage had it been HRC in the photo.

[Occam Bandage]

12. And the email that went along with the photo? How did he get that?

[persistant]

47. self delete

self delete

[Hieronymus]

49. What a coincidence?

[persistant]

48. OBAMA TROLLS sent that PHOTO

They swarmed our Hillary Clinton blog last week.
Within 5 days, vulgar rascist Obama diaries appeared.

None of the Clinton diarists write that stuff.

I know one of the new Obama people from Daily Kos. He is
in my opinion, a scumbag.

A lot of Clinton people had been thrown off Daily Kos and
were disgusted at the gang mentality there and all the
Hit diaries aimed at Clinton.

So they posted crap diaries in our blog, then wrote a diary saying
that WE were misbehaving.

In my opinion, this photo caper was probably from the little jerks
that infiltrated our blog.

I don't think all Obama supporters are like this, but this is a
hardcore group of troublemakers. And I think they may
be right wingers who are making mischeif to divide up the party.

I am not going to menion the name of our blog because we
don't need any more trolls than we already have.

[Occam Bandage]

64. Welcome back to DU, and thank you for your contribution.

[mtnester]

3. Unless he posts it honestly, I do not believe Matt Drudge has any such thing

when did he become such a tower of journalism on DU? Today?

Sheesh..another month and Matt Drudge will be right back where he belongs...with the GOP operatives and Jeff Gannon..oh wait...did he ever LEAVE them?

[AZBlue]

8. I don't like Drudge either. But what does speak volumes

is the fact that the Clinton campaign won't deny involvement in this.

[mtnester]

18. The Clinton campaign does not concern me. Matt Drudge has NEVER

been a friend to the Dems....ever

He has always been Karl Rove's tool...and always will be.

[rodeodance]

56. THEY have --this morning already:

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
3197560, Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Posted by Freddie Stubbs on Mon Feb-25-08 04:17 PM

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A spokesman for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says her campaign knew nothing about a circulating photo showing Barack Obama in traditional garments during a visit to Kenya.

The photo in question shows Obama in a white turban and robe during his 2006 trip. The gossip and news Web site The Drudge Report said the picture is being circulated by "Clinton staffers" and quoted an e-mail from an unidentified campaign aide.

Drudge didn't include proof of the e-mail in its report. Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says none of the campaign officials have seen the e-mail in question. And he says the campaign would welcome any independent reporting that anyone has done on the matter.

Earlier, aides for Obama accused Clinton's campaign of "shameful, offensive fear-mongering" upon news of the photo's circulation.

Read more: http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7922829

[redqueen]

4. ...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/23/usa.hillaryclinton1

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/22/us/politics/22drudge.html?scp=3&sq=clinton+drudge&st=nyt

[Blue-Jay]

5. He's a genius hacker!

He's looking at your porno right now!

[mrreowwr_kittty]

14. That's the thing. If he can hack, then why haven't we seen much stronger stuff than this by now?

[Quixote1818]

7. We will probably never know. My guess is that it came from the Clinton camp because they are on

a roll right now. The photo will do some damage because he is wearing a turban. It won't be long before there are 10,000 emails with this photo along with the lies about him being Muslim and going to a Madrassas etc.

[rodeodance]

32. No proof --but you are willing to jump to conclustions and spread false rumors Shame on you

[RetroLounge]

9. Well, who took the photo?

and who really cares. The photo is a non-issue AFAIAC.

It is something that every politician does when visiting a foreign country.

So what? Why let the media, or even fucksticks like Drudge affect you?

RL

[Baconfoot]

13. Objection: Leading the witness. NT

[mrreowwr_kittty]

15. They haven't denied there is an email!

So there probably is one. The question is, how did Drudge get it?

[rodeodance]

22. But is it an email FROM the clinton camp. Their is the allegation ONLY and denial.

[jillan]

17. Why did Obama let himself get photographed if he didn't want anyone to see it?

Even if someone in the Clinton Camp gave it to Drudge - do you really think it wouldn't have shown up
sooner or later?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

26. Why do you wear skirts like that if you don't want to be raped?

Your post is about as stupid as that old canard.

[jillan]

30. Oh grow up - why doesn't Obama talk about this instead of whining --->

He is not the only one to visit a foreign country and show respect by wearing their native dress.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

33. Which makes it all the more odd that the Clinton campaign would make an issue of Obama doing it.

Why would they be doing that? :shrug:

[jillan]

36. No - what is odd is that Obama doesn't know how to handle what comes his way.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

39. He's been "handling" your candidate's bullshit pretty well thus far.

How many primaries in a row has he won now? :hi:

[rodeodance]

59. Obama camp first accused Clinton of doing this based on what Drudge said. then the

clinton camp denied it. It was the obama camp that first believed the druge report and issued a nasy-see below. Hillary is defending herself.

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
3197560, Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Posted by Freddie Stubbs on Mon Feb-25-08 04:17 PM



Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A spokesman for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says her campaign knew nothing about a circulating photo showing Barack Obama in traditional garments during a visit to Kenya.

The photo in question shows Obama in a white turban and robe during his 2006 trip. The gossip and news Web site The Drudge Report said the picture is being circulated by "Clinton staffers" and quoted an e-mail from an unidentified campaign aide.

Drudge didn't include proof of the e-mail in its report. Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says none of the campaign officials have seen the e-mail in question. And he says the campaign would welcome any independent reporting that anyone has done on the matter.

Earlier, aides for Obama accused Clinton's campaign of "shameful, offensive fear-mongering" upon news of the photo's circulation.

Read more: http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7922829

[rodeodance]

40. It is the OBama camp who complained first-clinton camp is defending itself

[BooScout]

19. Pure speculation. Prove it.......

Or STFU.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. I'm not claiming I can prove anything. Drudge says he has an email.

It is a simple matter for the Clinton campaign to make him produce it.

[BooScout]

29. Why would he produce it?

He 'claims' he's a reporter. Reporters protect their sources. So he has an excuse not to produce it. He's managed to yet again create havoc in the Democratic Party by damaginf both campaigns, getting them at each other's throats and bumpihng McCain up in the polls. Have 8 eyars of this shit not taught you one damned thing???

[rodeodance]

43. The OP is claiming (lying) that the clinton camp is circulation the email, yet she has NO

idea where it came from. get that!

[rodeodance]

38. but yet you lie and say the clinton camp was circulating it in your OP!

[Elidor]

23. A recipient probably forwarded it to him

"Hey, look what the Clinton campaign is passing around."

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. There's a difference between the emails that get widely distributed

And those that are meant for the inner circle only. I find it hard to believe that they'd blast this out to their general distro list. I'm sure it was a recipient who forwarded it to Drudge, but it was a pretty high level one.

[Bad Thoughts]

24. Implied connections to Drudge

Read this article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/oct/23/usa.hillaryclinton1

[onenote]

31. or it was sent to someone outside the campaign who forwarded it to drudge

I guess that possiblity didn't occur to you.

And it also didn't occur to you that an email sent by "stressed staffers" (according to drudge)is not necessarily the same as an email "circulated by the Clinton campaign".

[mrreowwr_kittty]

34. How did that person get the email?

Your scenario raises the possibility that they are very sloppy with control of communication.

[onenote]

37. I have no idea who this email was sent to. And neither do you.

Staffers on campaigns send emails to people. Other staffers. Non staffers. Friends. Journalists. Who the heck knows. I certainly have no reason to assume that it was any sort of official campaign communication as opposed to some staffers venting.

If you have more information then please share. Otherwise, you're simply making assumptions that fit some pre-conceived conclusion you want to reach. Maybe you're right, but there is an equal, if not greater, chance that you're wrong.

[rodeodance]

41. why did you say the clinton camp is circulating it?--since you have no idea where it came from?

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Original message
How did Drudge get an email circulated by the Clinton campaign if they didn't give it to him?

I finally looked at his site and he is claiming that he has an email. It boils down to this: Is there such an email? If so, how did Drudge get it? The Clinton campaign is not denying the existence of an email. So either someone from her camp gave it to Drudge, or they don't have very good control over information there and Drudge was able to intercept a private message.

Either way, doesn't say much for Clinton's campaign.

[rodeodance]

35. Why are starting out with a lie--that the Clinton camp was circulation the email?

[anigbrowl]

45. It's neither true nor a lie. It's an unproven allegation right now.

But it's intresting that the Clinton campaign doesn't condemn or deplore the idea of such an email, but hitches a ride on its coattails instead to complain that the media isn't nice to them.

[rodeodance]

53. they have.---where have you been. done this am already

[rodeodance]

54. yes the OP is making an ASSumption. takes it to be true-and says later does NOT where it came from!

[usregimechange]

44. Precisely

[rodeodance]

46. Drudge is the one claiming that the Clinton camp is circulation it and you FOOLISHY believe it.

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x3197560#3197560
3197560, Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Posted by Freddie Stubbs on Mon Feb-25-08 04:17 PM

Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A spokesman for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says her campaign knew nothing about a circulating photo showing Barack Obama in traditional garments during a visit to Kenya.

The photo in question shows Obama in a white turban and robe during his 2006 trip. The gossip and news Web site The Drudge Report said the picture is being circulated by "Clinton staffers" and quoted an e-mail from an unidentified campaign aide.

Drudge didn't include proof of the e-mail in its report. Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says none of the campaign officials have seen the e-mail in question. And he says the campaign would welcome any independent reporting that anyone has done on the matter.

Earlier, aides for Obama accused Clinton's campaign of "shameful, offensive fear-mongering" upon news of the photo's circulation.

Read more: http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7922829

[northzax]

50. hell, I have emails from friends on the campaign

also ones from the obama campaign. Even ones from the republicans, including the white house. Should I forward them? People cc people. Sheesh, have you ever used email?

[mrreowwr_kittty]

55. That would just demonstrate the poor judgment that pervades her campaign

That is NOT the kind of email that should get outside the inner circle.

[northzax]

60. oh, if you could see what happens on campaigns

I could send you an email from the obama campaign calling Hillary names I choose not to repeat. should I send it to drudge? Or recognize some kid got dry k and blackberried? If you can show me this came from the senior circle, let's talk. Otherwise, people email, big fucking deal.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

61. Why don't you PM me that email from the Obama campaign then.

And it has to be from a high level staffer, as Drudge claims his email came from, not just some drunk kids at the Podunk field office.

[northzax]

62. no, drudge claims an anonymous quote

from a high level staffer he doesn't claim that person sent him the picture. And I will check with the person who sent me the email before passing it to anyone, I am not in the business of ratting out my friends.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

63. He says he has an email and quotes the message on it.

I won't link to his cesspool but here's what he said:

Mon Feb 25 2008

With a week to go until the Texas and Ohio primaries, stressed Clinton staffers circulated a photo over the weekend of a “dressed” Barack Obama.

The photo, taken in 2006, shows the Democrat frontrunner fitted as a Somali Elder, during his visit to Wajir, a rural area in northeastern Kenya.

The senator was on a five-country tour of Africa.

“Wouldn’t we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were HRC?” questioned one campaign staffer, in an email obtained by the DRUDGE REPORT.

In December, the campaign asked one of its volunteer county coordinators in Iowa to step down after the person forwarded an e-mail falsely stating that Barack Obama is a Muslim.

Obama campaign manager David Plouffe quickly accused the Clinton campaign Monday of ’shameful offensive fear-mongering’ for circulating the snap.

Clinton campaign manager Maggie Williams responds: “If Barack Obama’s campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed.”

Developing…

[northzax]

65. seems to me

he cites 'a campaign staffer' there are dozens of people who fit that title, maybe a hundred of more. Where did your claim of 'inner circle' come from?

[OzarkDem]

51. You believe Drudge?

:rofl:

[rodeodance]

58. This whole issue is based on a Drudge report-Obama camp Clinton camp for this based on what Drudge

said. shame on them!

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
3197560, Clinton spokesman says campaign knew nothing of Obama photo
Posted by Freddie Stubbs on Mon Feb-25-08 04:17 PM



Source: Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) - A spokesman for Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton says her campaign knew nothing about a circulating photo showing Barack Obama in traditional garments during a visit to Kenya.

The photo in question shows Obama in a white turban and robe during his 2006 trip. The gossip and news Web site The Drudge Report said the picture is being circulated by "Clinton staffers" and quoted an e-mail from an unidentified campaign aide.

Drudge didn't include proof of the e-mail in its report. Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson says none of the campaign officials have seen the e-mail in question. And he says the campaign would welcome any independent reporting that anyone has done on the matter.

Earlier, aides for Obama accused Clinton's campaign of "shameful, offensive fear-mongering" upon news of the photo's circulation.

Read more: http://www.action3news.com/Global/story.asp?S=7922829