It really is over.

[cali]

Short of a miracle, Hillary is going to lose TX next week and it's not unlikely that she'll lose Ohio as well. I'd love to see what her internals are showing. And when that happens, she will drop out. Bill Clinton said last week in Texas that if she doesn't win TX and OH, she couldn't win the nomination. Hillary is anything but stupid and she is a democrat. She won't keep going on a fruitless chase for a nomination she can't win. And she won't damage the chances of dems in November.

Going negative has been a disaster for her. And this latest story about the African dress is really damaging to her, whether or not it was actually distributed by the Clinton camaign. It's leading the news- even the BBC and CBC. Her anger does not go over well and it loses her support and votes.

The rumblings out of the Clinton campaign are growing. Raising money under these circumstances is daunting. She's run out of firewalls.

It really is over.

[jmg257]

1. Hillary has to get past the ONE state she has locked up - the state of denial.

[Big Blue Marble]

18. That is so true. n/t

[rateyes]

19. It's not just a river in Egypt. nt

[Window]

63. Amen

:thumbsup:

[TheCowsCameHome]

2. Ayup. 'tis ovah.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

3. It has been over since Virginia.

[cali]

7. then you have greater insight than I have

I didn't see it was over until after Wisconsin.

[ruggerson]

10. It was Wisconsin

you are correct.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

30. Heck, even I didn't vote for her in VA

I voted for Huckabee. Since it was winner take all on the pug side, and since I knew Huckabee had a better chance of winning VA than Clinton, my vote was more tactically valuable for the Huckster.

By voting to weaken McCain and prolong the pug race, I was really voting for the Dem party, rather than for Clinton or Obama.

At this point in time, I consider Hillary and Obama a coin-flip on electability so I no longer care which of them wins.

Obama's charm, popularity, money, media-love and excellent campaign are now roughly balanced with the helacious beating he will take during the campaign, so I now expect Obama to get exactly as many votes as Clinton would have won... it's a wash. Since Obama has a lot more room to fall that Hillary, and since the same percentage of Dems say they will refuse to vote for one or the other, Hillary remains the distinctly safer bet on paper, but her crummy campaign has to be factored in, which makes it a wash in my eyes.

Comically, recent polling shows both of them losing to McCain within the margin of error. For all the endless bullshit about how Hillary is unelectable and Obama would win 45 states, they are roughly tied, and both narrowly behind.

Thank God McCain is the weakest looking person to have ever sought the office in the TV age... it's hard to even watch him any more.

Whatever. I hope Obama wins, though I do not like him. I don't need to like the President. I very seldom have!

Three supreme court justices, hopefully raving lefties picked to curry respect from mentor Lawrence Tribe. That's all I ask.

[ruggerson]

50. That's my one fond hope if he pulls out the GE

Three thirty five year old brilliant, leftist women nominated to the SC and a Democratic senate to confirm them.

And then I want to watch Scalia grow more and more bitter in his declining years.

[Alexander]

70. I'm glad to see you wish the best for Obama if he's elected president.

We don't agree on a lot, but we can agree on this.

[ruggerson]

81. Why don't we agree on a lot?

because we supported different candidates?

I would venture to say we probably agree on everything - except for whom was the better person to implement our policies.

[Laelth]

83. I thought it was over after Super Tuesday.

Said so here: http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Laelth/18

But what do I know? I have no crystal ball.

:dem:

-Laelth

[DJ13]

4. Its too bad she went so negative after the last debate

If the internal polls taken by her campaign shows her losing in either Texas or Ohio (or both) now she cant close tommorrow nights debate with anything remotely like a concession statement.

No one would believe her now.

[Tresalisa]

12. Oh, that's right, there's a debate tomorrow night!

Thanks for reminding me! I had plans, but I'll cancel them to watch. :hi:

[GumboYaYa]

5. It has been over since she lost VA, MD and DC. She was out of money then.

It has been painful to watch the once proud Clinton machine reduced to the sputtering spitting jalopy it is now.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

6. Last one out, turn off the lights. . .

Maybe there is hope yet for this country.

[tekisui]

8. The only question now is how long she stays, and how much she bruises

Obama for the pukes.

[sniffa]

9. She is in Huckabee territory now

K&R

:thumbsup:

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[cali]

15. Why? Seriously.

You've been a fabulous advocate for Hillary. She couldn't ask for better. I've loved your posts and cheered them on, but in any campaign someone loses. Why would you consider Nader who truly is nothing but an attempted spoiler. And he's now irrelevant. He won less than 1/2 of one percent in 2004.

[NewHampster]

21. I actually like what he says

But I've never in my life voted for anyone other than a Democrat. This time will be no different and since Obama is no Democrat I guess I'll be either writing in Hillary for fun or voting Present.

[bunnies]

25. Oh please.

You're going to go from DLC Hillary to Ultra left-wing Nader and skip over Obama due to some ingrained hatred? Obama is as much of a Democrat as Hillary is. Your failure to see that only illustrates your prejudice.

[NewHampster]

29. Did you read what I said?

No. I said I won't vote for Nader but I also will not vote for Obama. And this from a life long dem who has sworn publicly, here and elsewhere that I would support the nominee of the Democratic party. I'm breaking my oath.

I will never support or vote for Obama.

[cali]

37. that's ridiculous

bye bye.

[bunnies]

39. Yes. I did.

You didnt say you wont vote for Nader. And I'd like to know how Hillary is a Dem and Obama is Not.

[Alexander]

59. You obviously just hate Obama for some clearly irrational reason.

I wonder what your real reason is for opposing Obama. Whatever it is, it's sure hateful.

[cui bono]

28. Wow. Are you reading the news? Checking the records?

Explain how Obama is no Democrat but Hillary is.

[NewHampster]

31. Well for one or two

He doesn't support real Universal Health Care

He is catering to and being elected by republicans in open primary states

want more?

[cali]

40. neither does she, dear. and you just demonstrated how little

you know. Both their plans are based on the same plan out of Yale. And they are 95% the same. In addition, it's a lie that he's being elected by repukes. A flat out lie. He won in MD and VA and DC and Wisconsin and many other states. And he won the dem vote in all those states. It's disgusting to spread false memes.

[cui bono]

43. Yes, since that sounds like Hillary to me.

Except that she is currently acting like a Republican, and the bad, smearing, attack dog kind at that.

And please explain both your statements. There are no facts laid out to back up your allegations. Surely you're not talking about his criticisms of NAFTA. ;)

[Warren DeMontague]

85. "doesn't support real Universal Health Care" = That's Hillary.

"catering to and being elected by republicans" = That's Ralph Nader in 2004.

The truth of the matter is, in terms of substantive policy positions, Hillary and Obama are pretty close to each other. Neither are perfect, to my mind, but both are a damn sight better than the alternative, and I will happily support either as the nominee.

I don't know what planet you're on where you can float gibberish like "Obama's not a real Democrat" with a straight face. I think you've got a bug up your ass about Obama, for whatever reason- but it has diddly shit to do with him not being a "real Democrat"

[ellisonz]

34. "Obama is no Democrat"

Are you serious?

[RazBerryBeret]

44. Huh?

after what he did to ALL of us in 2000, you'd vote for him?? I DO not understand that.

[Voice for Peace]

33. Nader has one reason for running, and that is to influence the progressive agenda.

He has no illusions about being president.

[RazBerryBeret]

45. then WHY

over the last 8 years he hasn't been putting his energy into that agenda if it's so important to him?
Al Gore in the WH these last 7 years would have helped to influence the progressive agenda too... but look where we are now...

[no name no slogan]

51. Actually, he has. But the media won't tell you that

you have to go out and investigate for yourself.

However, I still won't vote for him.

[RazBerryBeret]

53. Ok, I will

look into this....but I can't forgive him for 2000. thanks for the info!

[no name no slogan]

66. No problem. He's more a loudmouth than anything, these days

But to give him some credit, he has been fairly critical of Dubya (and the Democrats, too).

[Voice for Peace]

69. Good article by John Nichols

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/25/7274/

Serious research into what happened in 2000 concluded that Nader in fact
influenced Gore's platform in such a way that he got more votes than he
might have; and that Nader took more votes away from the Republicans
than from Gore.

Even Gore has said that Nader did not cause him to lose the election.
It's a pity that so many Democrats are so blindly hateful and ignorant
about this whole thing, because Nader has done a lot of good.

[NewHampster]

71. I think Nader will be good for Hillary

He is more progressive than Hillary and way more so than Obama so he'll help force Obama to address the issues he avoids like the plague.

[thunder rising]

74. Who would be his target demographic. The left (we're with Dean) the middle (with Obama) The right?

[NewHampster]

77. He has no illusion of winning anything

he said so. But he is great at driving discourse and Obama needs to be forced out of his shell.

[RememberWellstone]

47. Hmmm, third party?

Not a bad idea after the way they have treated Hill in this election. How does he stand on the war? Would he bring thr troops home?

[lojasmo]

82. Paul wellstone would slap the shit out of you. EOM

[dionysus]

60. well buh-bye...

thanks for playing "I'm a sore loser"...

[Alexander]

62. I guess it's about time for you to earn one of these:

[rosetta627]

13. And good riddance.

Every time I think I couldn't dislike her any more, she proves me wrong.

[rug]

14. I'll just wait for the voters, Madame LaFarge. If you don't mind.

[cali]

20. Although I do knit, I'm hardly waiting for heads to roll

and the voters have been speaking and they have gone for Obama in the last 11 contests.

[rug]

27. Then let's wait for the voters in the next five.

[jonnyblitz]

16. I agree, it is over. the picture incident, her anger, etc., is beside

point. It's been over, IMHO. :shrug:

[Big Blue Marble]

17. What exactly was the spin on the evening news?

How was the story about the picture presented?


And I agree with you Cali. I think it is over in a week.

[bunnies]

22. I hope you're right.

Because Im at the end of my rope with this Clinton shit. The hatefulness and abusiveness of camp clinton has nearly gotten the best of me. After her last shitting on Obama supporters, Id rather eat glass than support her. She's made it very clear that she doesn't want my vote in November... therefore, she wont get it. Im fucking tired of being taken for granted. Dont shit on me and expect my vote.

[H2O Man]

23. This is the end

[TheDonkey]

24. RI is the only state that matters! AS goes RI goes the nation!

[gerrilea]

26. I finally figured out why you Obama supporters keep posting crap like this

You all want her to quit before the rest of the country figures out it that Obama may speak well, but his voting records in IL and the US Senate shows he's for big business...and that he may not be as nice has he wants everyone to think...

[NewHampster]

32. Denver isn't until August and they're

afraid the country will figure out between now and then that he really is an empty suit.

[Occam Bandage]

36. His campaign has been getting stronger and stronger as time goes on.

[cali]

41. don't be ridiculous. his record is actually less big business than hers

and this is simply analysis. It's over.

[gerrilea]

79. Go to Library of Congress and read all the bills that she has introduced

Out of 151, I did not see one that supported any big business...in fact, 29 bills + all deal with Health Services, Diseases, Healthcare...Health benefits for the poor and veterans...go figure...someone who actually cares about the masses...not all talk!

Here's a link:

Read for yourself! And while you are there, look up Obama's Records, guess what group of people is he helping!!!


I don't make these things up...don't have to


http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery

[RazBerryBeret]

49. huh?

to quote US News & World report:

"Through persistence and patience, Clinton has assembled what is probably the broadest CEO support among the candidates, ranging from Wall Street to Hollywood," concludes an article in the most recent issue of Fortune. "Business Loves Hillary," is how the business magazine's cover—which features a photo of a bemused Clinton—puts it. Now a more accurate description might be "Big Business Loves Hillary," since the story is all about how Fortune 500-type business leaders and megarich Hollywood moguls are sweet on the junior U.S. senator from New York. But why is this surprising? To put a twist on a famous Dilbert quote, "Large corporations welcome change and risk-taking in the same way the dinosaurs welcomed large meteors." And in many ways Hillary looks like a safe bet

[gerrilea]

80. Business have to predict the future, their profits depend on it,

This doesn't mean that she will do anything for them...

[sniffa]

56. As an Obama Cultist, I disagree with the notion that she should drop out

I thing she should drag this thing out as long as possible, and continue to lose, and continue to diminish the Clinton Brand until it's hopefully buried for good.

So, I'm on your side. :hug:

[JVS]

72. If she continues maybe Chelsea will eventually be unable to win a school board election.

[sniffa]

78. I'm still holding out for the reign of Noelle Bush

Years: 1/22/2020 - 1/23/2020

Comments: Most insane Inaugural Ball ever!!!1!

Vice President Lindsay Lohan ascends to the Presidency.

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[TwilightGardener]

38. The polls are once again trending in his favor. I agree, it's been effectively over since

Wisconsin. He might still blow it at tomorrow night's debate, but I'm sure he'll be careful.

[kwenu]

42. It may be over. But if the Clinton campaign is behind the photo flap....

I just decided for sure today that I'm for Obama but if Hillary's campaign is found to be responsible for making the photo an issue then as we say here in Texas, "Don't let the screen door hit you in the A$$ on the way out!!!"

[TwilightGardener]

46. Welcome to DU and to the Obama camp!

[tbyg52]

52. I'm still shaking my head over that one.

I have no idea what really happened, but I do think he looks great in that outfit.

[TheDonkey]

61. I think the Potamic Tuesday BLOWOUTS delivered the first nail

[11 Bravo]

48. Here's a thought ... wish in one hand and shit in the other. Let me know which one fills up first.

I prefer to wait and count the votes.

[TheCowsCameHome]

55. Just don't get excited and clap hard......................

[BootinUp]

54. I'm going to start calling you

Crystal Ball Cali.

Hope that is alright? ;)

[cali]

58. sure. except this has nothing to do with crystal balls

this is simply the conventional wisdom.

[BootinUp]

64. Well then, cause

thats never been wrong, lol.

[Scurrilous]

57. I hope you're right.

:thumbsup:

[bigtree]

65. you are really boring

really really boring

[cali]

68. each to their own

I don't exactly consider you either fascinating or insightful, dear.

[bigtree]

73. more bore

what's your game, with all of these posts telling Democrats Clinton won't win?

let me guess . . .

[Forkboy]

84. That cali thinks Clinton won't win perhaps?

:shrug:

[KoKo]

67. Are you gonna do a BIG DANCE over this one? Please Invite Me...

I'm ALWAYS UP for a GOOD TIME! ...and someone like you is REALLY GONNA GET OFF..on this GOOD TIME!

God Lova Ya' Peace and Blessings...you've served your ....well.!

[surfermaw]

75. What was the statement today a mil a day or week...sounds pretty good to me

[surfermaw]

76. What was the statement today a mil a day or week...sounds pretty good to me

[Capn Sunshine]

86. Over.

Just a bump for the evening wackos