Maybe I'm slow but do you guys realize there are people posting

[babsbunny]

here that have their own political agenda? Maybe Freepers who hate America? Maybe Dems who are so desperate to promote their candidate that they don't care about hurting the Democratic Party? Just sayin'..........I can't believe this is happening, maybe that's how it's suppose to be? We all loved Hillary and Obama before the primaries started.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

1. Actually. Hillary was widely hated here before the primaries started

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

2. Agreed.

If somebody said they'd supported Clinton for president several years ago I'd have assumed they were joking.

[Skittles]

12. so why do they keep saying she was thought of as "inevitable"?

that's a load of horse shit

[RazBerryBeret]

13. I think it was

due to the money, connections, "the machine" if you will. it was considered unstoppable.

[Skittles]

14. oh please

the very fact she is a WOMAN made her struggle always an uphill one

[RazBerryBeret]

18. sorry, that is my opinion

I didn't mean to offend you....but since she has lived her whole life as a woman, with all that political experience...I'm sure she knew full well what she was up against. I know I do.

[Skittles]

19. absolutely she did

I just never saw any evidence she felt she was "inevitable" or "entitled"

[RazBerryBeret]

22. It was totally out in the MSM:

WaPO article dated July 2007---17 months out...Howard Kurtz:

"That, at least, is the consensus view of media wizards, strategists, pollsters and other kibitzers, that HRC is a virtual lock for the nomination. An official with a rival campaign told me that Hillary has an 80 percent chance of being the party's candidate, and most neutral observers would probably go with a higher number"

whether she was aware of it or not, most of us were.

I think it was also evident in the first democratic debate.

[Skittles]

23. "wizards and kibitzers"

very scientific

[RazBerryBeret]

26. "media wizards, strategists, pollsters and other kibitzers"

you left out strategists, and pollsters (was that on purpose???)

and I said MSM....when have you known them to be "scientific? that's just silly.

the point was that 2 years after she becam a senator there was a buzz about her running, she continually denied it in interviews (don't know how you missed it if you're a fan)
she denied it, until she announced. Once she announced, she was considered a sure shot by most of the pundits..that why I provided that little snippet, not as the only shred of evidence, but to relay the fact that the buzz started early and she was out in front on all the early polls.

BTW, what type of "Scientific" evidence were you expecting? this is politics.

Can't wait to Vote March 4th!!!!

[Skittles]

27. it is enevitable that she would run

NOT inevitable she would WIN; I have ALWAYS known there is no way in HELL there would be a female president in my lifetime

and I am NOT a HRC fan so don't confuse me with one

[RazBerryBeret]

28. Neither am I...

but I would disagree with you, it was considered by most (dems--and some repubs) as inevitable that she would win. just google inevitable and Clinton and see what you get. (you may get mostly recent articles at this point) that's what I thought Obama's early success was, he was winning votes as the underdog. before Iowa she was 30 point ahead of him in the polls.

[madmunchie]

32. If you watched the MSM and all of the Pundits, THAT is what they said.

They kept telling us for the last few years that HRC was the "INEVETIBLE" Democratic Nominee for POTUS. It really turned me OFF of HRC. Something smelled really fishy when the MSM Pundits were telling us that HRC was the inevitable Dem Nominee BEFORE she even announced that she was going to run......

It seemed as the the MSM/Pundits started selling us the idea of HRC as POTUS to get us to accept her....

[avrdream]

33. And, if people took the time to search here,

they would see that we Hillary supporters never said anything about inevitability or having this locked up or anything along those lines. I believe that we, as a group, were a lot more realistic about what the media can do in a Presidential race. I honestly believe the Obama supporters haven't quite grasped that fact (for the most part).

I am approaching 50 and have been a Dem my entire life and I haven't seen this type of division or anger....when we tear another candidate of our own down as being racist when that candidate has only ever worked toward the good of minorities, I think we have lost sight of our Democratic ideals.

I'm not sure what is going on anymore. I live in Australia now and considered coming back if politics changed....I'm not sure I am going to see the change that will motivate me into returning.

[Window]

20. She thought she was inevitable

[Skittles]

25. I don't believe she is that stupid

she knew what she was up against - the sheer hatred people have

[liberalnurse]

16. Speak for yourself!

I never hated any Democratic Congressional Member. I may of disagreed which is my prerogative. Never hated always idolized Hillary as a leader.

[Breeze54]

21. That's not true at all. She may have been "hated" by freeptard rethugs

and they've done a good job slamming her for everything under the sun but even I didn't 'hate' her.

I did, however, hate her vote on the IWR, as I did Kerry's and Edward's.

[juajen]

3. I agree. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to fight fire with fire,

and I certainly have lit a few fires, or, at least, added fuel to the fires started by someone else. Defensively speaking, Clinton supporters had no choice but to go postal. We were and are vastly outnumbered, so we had to get vocal and fierce to be heard.

[GoldieAZ49]

4. Both sides are fucking toxic - it is just a pissin match here, no humor, no intelligent life

I think it shows this segment of the democratic party is not ready for either a woman or an AA candidate for POTUS, it will be interesting to see if the real Dem party and country can handle it.

peace out!

[juajen]

6. Actually, I have certainly seen some very funny things.

Maybe you left your sense of humor on another forum.

[JuniperLea]

7. Both sides toxic...

That's my perspective.

Good thing I don't vote because of what dumbasses on the Internets have to say;)

[Why Syzygy]

9. Wasn't it funny

when I told a rabid supporter that I'm rubber and they are glue? I got a chuckle from that.

[juajen]

10. My word, that's a lot of posts for a membership of one month.

Anyway, welcome to DU. Live long and prosper, maybe somewhere else since you see no intelligent life here. Good luck to you.

[JohnnyLib2]

5. I'll say it again --"agent orange politics"

Apply poison broadly now, face results later.

:banghead:

[GoldieAZ49]

8. good analogy n/t

[Akoto]

11. Sure. They're here every time there's a big election.

For the months leading up to whatever the election may be, the boards are filled with increasing levels of hateful, vicious rhetoric. The election comes, a decision is made, and then those folks generally leave because their incentive to be here (whether moral or monetary) is gone.

[billyoc]

15. Of course. If they obey the rules of DU, they may continue doing so.

Not everyone here is a member of the Democratic Party, nor do they claim to be. :hi:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

17. I Still Love Both Of Them Now.

But the childish morons are a bit fun to play with, though it is getting a bit tiring/boring.

They've used up all their best stuff, and it's all becoming like broken records now. It's gotten to the point that there isn't a single OP or topic that could be posted that would be shocking anymore. GDP has run the gamut.

[gateley]

24. I thought she was pretty much a shoo-in and I'm guessing I felt that way

because I was influenced by the MSM...?

I DO remember thinking, back before she'd announced, that if she did enter the race she'd kick ass, because I always was impressed by her when seeing her in the Senate.

My only concern, back then, were the reports that Democratic officials were hoping she wouldn't run as they felt she might not fare well because of her high negatives (of which I was unaware). I was hoping those reports were unfounded and that she WOULD run and that she WOULD become our next president.

[Megahurtz]

29. Kick. n/t

[donheld]

30. That's become more obvious as

times gone by.

[Honeycombe8]

31. I didn't "love" Hillary before the primaries. I liked her, though. nt

[cbayer]

34. I agree

and the implosion of the democratic party is much more dramatic and much more dangerous than the oft-reported implosion of the Clinton campaign.

We are setting ourselves up and making ourselves incredibly easy targets for those we really should be fighting with.

I'm not convinced that we have been invaded by imposters, but we sure are ripe for it based on our recent behavior.