Remember when Hillary was one of the good guys?

[DesEtoiles]

[Skinner]

1. She still is.

It's primary season. Campaigns make politicians do funny things.

[thevoiceofreason]

17. I agree

If she ends up back in the senate, she'll be a staunch democrat looking out for New York. Nothing wrong with that.

Not really fond of the direction her candidacy has taken. But that's just a personal opinion.

[EmilyAnne]

31. I'm an Obama supporter who thinks she still is. Please stop this silliness. n/t

[Marrah_G]

53. Thanks Skinner

Some days this place gets so anti-dem it makes me want to vomit.

[Obamaman2008]

2. Yeah, It is unsetting that she is no longer with us

[LostinVA]

48. Just STFU -- I can't believe you're still here

Especially after publicly stating your refusal to vote for a DEmocratic nominee if it's not YOURS.

You're so fucking OBVIOUS.

[Marrah_G]

54. Please STFU- YOU are part of the problem.

[TheDebbieDee]

3. Newsflash! Hillary is still one of the good guys!

You don't have to swallow what they're trying to spoon-feed you!

[Cant trust em]

7. It's becoming easier to swallow it these days.

It's been pretty nasty these days. I can't wait for the primaries to end.

[BuyingThyme]

4. That was a long time ago.

I was just a kid.

[rug]

5. Contesting Obama does not render one evil.

[workinclasszero]

11. Does playin the race card make you the bad guy?

How about giving pictures to reich wing republican websites to smear your opponent?

How about lying about your record?

Just askin...

[rug]

13. Well, zero, 1 and 2 are hypothetical insinuations. 3, they all do, including Obama.

[TheDebbieDee]

18. Weren't those pictures published in

the February 4, 2008 issue of a national magazine?

[Beacool]

42. The race card was played by the media and Obama just stood by and let it happen!!!

I'm sick and tired of the Clintons being accused of race baiting because a) Bill called Obama's stance on his Iraq vote a "fairy tale" and b) Hillary's comment that MLK's dreams became a reality when LBJ signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Since when is questioning an opponent on an issue and calling it a fairy tale a racist remark???? Since when is making a historically accurate comment considered racist???

As for Bill responding to a reporter's question about SC by mentioning that Jesse Jackson had won it twice in the 80s, how is that racist??? Rev. Jackson DID win SC twice in the 80s. Oh yeah, he was supposedly using some mysterious "code" words.

I find it much more racist when 80% to 90% of a group of people vote for a candidate due to having a similar skin tone. It's just as disturbing as if the same percentage of women voted for Hillary or of whites for McCain.

The Lord forgive those who dare to question Obama, but it's perfectly OK if the media, et al. say the most vile, sexist crap about Hillary.

Whatever..........

:grr:

[DesEtoiles]

12. Race-baiting does.

[rug]

15. And the relevance of that statement to this thread?

[DesEtoiles]

22. Hillary is race-baiting.

[rug]

24. Do you mind if I require more than your word on this?

If you're talking about the pictures, your opinion notwithstanding, there's no evidence she or her campaign had any role in distributing those entirely unobjectionable pictures. Spend 7 or 8 hours and reread all the posts here.

More pertinent, you're accusing her of being racist and are exhibiting invincible ignorance about her decades long record of opposing racism.

Oh, but you know that already don't you.

Then you're simply a dishonest and tedious shill.

[DesEtoiles]

38. Like you don't know.

[sendero]

6. I thought she was..

... right up until the time she made it clear that getting out of Iraq was not a priority for her.

Now, she might as well be another fucking Republican, trying trying trying to make this debacle not look like the worst decision by a president EVER.

[JVS]

8. You mean before she started voting for wars?

[rug]

19. Hell yeah. And then voting to fund them.

[BeatleBoot]

28. And Obama followed suit...

:eyes:

[rug]

32. I get one point for the assist.

[JVS]

46. It is intellectually dishonest to claim the two to be equivalent

[rug]

49. It is morally correct. Substantial cooperation with evil is as bad as the original evil.

What is intellectually dishonest is to say one candidate is better than another because he didn't vote for the IWR. The truth is he didn't vote for it because he didn't have a chance to. His subsequent voting record, including the funding, indicates he would have joined the rest of them in that vote.

[JVS]

52. There are two different environments. One is without war and the other with war.

In the environment without war Hillary voted for it while Obama attended and spoke at an anti-war rally. As the public mood at this time was belicose, it is clear that Obama was taking a more principled position, But, wtf, lets give points Obama 1- Hillary 0

Subsequent funding is more complicated, because there is no guarantee that cutting funding would end the war. Bush would be very unlikely to just bring hope the troops. But if you want to issue points, this round 0-0 Running score Obama 1 Hillary 0

However the whole issue of having to vote for funding or not would be moot if people like Hillary had not collaborated with Bush in the first place. So fuck her.

[bunnies]

9. No. nt

[Stephanie]

10. Yes, that was before she became a Senator, and started voting against everything we believe in.

I campaigned for her in 2000. I campaigned against her in 2006. I was greatly, greatly disappointed by her Senate votes, especially, of course, the Iraq vote. I will never support her for anything ever again.

[BklynChick]

20. can't wait till her Senate run is up in NY, can't wait to see the Dem contenders

[Stephanie]

36. You know who I'd like to see, off the top of my head?

What about Bill Perkins? Or John Hall?

[paulk]

41. 97% record of voting with the Democratic majority

same as Obama, actually.

[Yael]

14. I started to sour on her with Travelgate

That was just handled as poorly as it possibly could have been conceived.

That is when I stopped giving the Clinton's the benefit of the doubt in the trust arena.

[Occam Bandage]

16. She still is. She's just got a little touch of the primary-loser flu.

[DemGa]

21. What the hell happened to this place?

[rug]

26. The Republican primary folded early so they slithered over here.

[MannyGoldstein]

23. No

I've abhorred the Clintons since 1992, when they lied their way to the White House. As Bob Kerrey said, Bill's "an unusually good liar." Fortunately, his lying skills seem to have plummeted - now his just a crappy liar, as is his wife.

[rug]

27. Who did you vote for in 92 and 96?

[MannyGoldstein]

29. Clinton, Then Dole

I held my nose and picked the least offensive.

[BeatleBoot]

30. My Guess: Bush in '92 Dole in '96

[Obamanaut]

35. Neither do I. nt

[billyoc]

25. No. She's been DLC from the word go. nt

[StevieM]

33. Well as long as Hillary is a bad guy (and presumably her supporters are too) I'll just go ahead and

vote for McCain. The great Barack Obama doesn't need the support of horrible people like myself. He's way too good for that.

Steve

[Beacool]

44. Might as well, the all so perfect Democrats on this board

don't have any more use for the Clintons nor their supporters because we don't pass their purity test. Let's forget that Bill is the only Dem. to win two terms since FDR. Let's forget that he still remains very popular. Let's forget that if one counts MI & FL, Hillary has won the votes of 9 million people. Fuck all that, we are not needed nor count for anything!!!

Therefore, vote for whomever you consider the lesser evil. Hmmm, Nader anybody???

[PassingFair]

50. Guess you'll go eat worms.....

Waaaaahhhhhhhh!

Nobody love you,
Everybody hates you.


Here:

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

34. I'm Proud Of Hillary. She's Up Against A Perfect Storm Here, And She's Fighting Best She Can.

Not for a second do I consider her to not be one of the 'good guys'. I'm proud of her and see no reason to not be, despite some flaws to her as of late. But she wants this so badly, yet is up against this perfect storm that's whirling around her. I admire her courage to stay in the ring and do her best to fight, even though day by day it seems to be more futile. She's fighting with whatever she has left right now, and I admire any Dem that does so. In the end, it is all but certain she will go down. But she'll at least go down fighting, as she should. I'm sad for her, but still excited for our party. No matter what happens, we'll have a great candidate in November. In fact, I'm still crossing my fingers with all my might that they run together, because I think it will be the only GE tagteam that I would ever stand up and readily declare to be a GUARANTEED VICTORY.

[Major Hogwash]

37. She's up a creek without a paddle.

We need more analogies!

[last1standing]

39. Heh, they say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

I'm flattered. :D

[NoodleyAppendage]

40. When was that? n/t

J

[Skip Intro]

43. Sure do, and she still is. K&R!

[The Anti-Bush]

45. I don't think she is a "bad guy"

I just think she wants to win. I don't like her tactics, but she is just playing the game.

[LostinVA]

47. She still is -- go away with your negativism, I'm sick of it

[Marrah_G]

51. She still is one of the good guys.