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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:08 AM
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Hillary has to be really hurt by what is going on in this primary.
People she has worked WITH and people she has worked FOR most of her adult political life have turned their backs on her...and some, in the most unkind, vicioous ways. I really feel for her and Bill and Chelsea. It's not that people should not vote for whomever they choose or think is the best candidate but the vileness of the attacks on Hillary are, to me, undeserved and point to somehting lacking in the electorate that will come back to haunt us all. I don't think that either she of Bill Clinton have deserved the kind of treatment that they have suffered at the hands of the media or many Obama supporters. I know Hillary must be feeling, "What in God's name have I ever done to deserve this kind of treatment from my fellow Americans?" And don't give me that bull crap about her IWR vote. Many of the fawning Obama supporters had that same vote and with greater passion for giving it.

It just saddens me to see this happen to the Hillary I know.
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:10 AM
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1. Yup, there's a lot of sadism going on.
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bigtree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:11 AM
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2. Is it the soap hour already?
This is a parody of media gossip, isn't it?
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:12 AM
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3. Fuck 'em. Really. She ASSumed she'd be coronated, ran a terrible campaign, and got trounced.
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BenDavid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:59 PM
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44. Not without the help of the whoremedia that aligned itself to
be anti clinton. The only hole in the soul I see is the damn hole in obama's. While the clintons were being castigated with name calling and being accused of being bigots and racists barack hussein obama sat back and watched this happen. Irregardless that both were going after the same prize, a person with a soul would not have let this attack go forward, but when one preaches out of both sides of his mouth it shows the hole in his soul.

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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:29 PM
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53. Sorry Chief, but blowing $130 million, 35% advantage, name recogition, etc
takes a special kind of person. Her Shrillness may be the only one that could have pulled it off. Pull your head out of your ass and quit blaming the media for this trainwreck of a campaign.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:25 PM
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73. Your posts are all right out of Rush Limbaugh's notebook. Why is that?
Her Shrillness may be the only one that could have pulled it off. Pull your head out of your ass


How very Republican sounding of you. Congrats.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:01 PM
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90. Not a Pub by any stretch. Now care to explain the complete mismanagement of goatfuck of a campaign?
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:09 PM
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100. "Her Shrillness"
Can we stop this shit? Please?

Fuck.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:26 PM
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102. Since it seems you're into
infantile name calling, you're a poopyhead. Don't forget to give the freepers my regards.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:28 PM
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77. See my comment above. It's always someone else's fault, usually
the MSM "whoremedia".

They are obviously the ones that told her to spend all her campaign money on a big-state-over-by-feb-5th strategy.
They are obviously the ones who gave her the "xerox" line.
They obviously called that press conference on the mailers for her and told her to have a hissy fit.
They are the ones who told her which states count and which don't.
They must be the ones who told her to hire that slimeball Penn.

See the pattern?

She nor her supporters will ever own up to the fact that she simply blew it herself. There is no one else to blame. My god, if she is the kind of person who can not take personal responsibility for her failures then you sure don't want her for President!! We've had that for nearly 8 years now already!

:kick:
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weezie1317 Donating Member (480 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:37 PM
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82. I don't buy this. They give her much more attention and much greater....
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 02:38 PM by weezie1317
comeback attempts than they would if Obama had lost 10 in a row.
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Bullet1987 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:50 PM
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85. It's funny how Clinton supporters are blaming the MSM
after all of the chances Clinton has been given to comeback after 11 straight loses. Not to mention, the "Whoremedia" were the main ones pumping the Clinton Coronation bullshit MONTHS AGO!!! I can't count how many times I read "Clinton Coronation" scrolling across the screen on MSNBC. So don't start bitching now because she has run a piss poor campaign and didn't have a backup plan.
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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:12 PM
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94. In the beginning of these campaigns long ago, the media was...
shoving Clinton down our throats. Once the voting started and the American public voted for Obama, the media has been showing the dirty little tricks that we have seen for years and her actions make her look bad. The media isn't against her, its just when people see the truth, its ugly. The media is a corrupt business ran by wealthy elite people that have the same agenda as the Clintons...they wanted her to win and if not, they will gladly take McCain.

I know the Clinton campaign has been crying foul about the media and the media has been repeating it so I understand how some of the weaker minded people could fall for it and repeat it themselves but it looks like more people are ignoring the trash and hoping for change.

Good luck to you and I hope your perception becomes clearer over time because the elite and the machine will eventually come after you and yours too.


First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
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indimuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:39 PM
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107. i agree entirely with you. speaking of souls..
"Barack Obama is the only person in this race who understands...that...we have to fix our souls. Our souls are broken....I am married to the only person in this race

who can heal this nation.... is going to demand that you shed your cynicism.... Barack will never let you go back to your lives as usual!"

Michelle Obama


And the skies open up...
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:29 PM
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51. ding ding ding
We have a winner!

This HRC campaign should go down as an example of how to not win an election
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COFoothills Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:20 PM
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68. Oh yeah....
...political scientists will be studying this one for a generation as a case study of how NOT to run a presidential campaign.

To be fair, the playing field changed and the Clinton campaign missed the shift. We've transitioned to a new way of running campaigns...50 states/grassroots/small donors...that was started by Howard Dean in 2004 and executed to a perfection by the Obama campaign. HRC ran the old way....big states/big donors/win early. She obviously didn't get the memo that there was a new way to do this that was working better. Obama did.
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Political Heretic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:33 PM
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57. Yup.
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hendo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #57
99. Sorry
I missed this last night.. That is awesome!
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MonkeyFunk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:34 PM
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58. "coronated"?
:eyes:
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:13 AM
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4. The Hillary you know should have run a smarter campaign.
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 10:14 AM by bunnies
It was hers to lose and it would appear that shes nearly lost it.

edit:sp
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:13 AM
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5. Obama should go back to his "own" country
and quit attacking her as she mocks him. "Shame on Obama".
:sarcasm:
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:17 AM
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6. Here is the thing: Most of us never asked for Hillary's involvement in our political lives
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 10:19 AM by theboss
Hillary! claims 175 years of experience in political life, but as far as I can tell, she has only ever won two elections.

The real question that Hillary should be asking is not "What have I done to deserve this kind of treatment?"

The real question is, "What have I done to deserve this level of attention in the first place?"

As for Bill Clinton, at some point, we have to tell him "Enough." The man has lived a life that most can dream about. He's been a notable public figure for over three decades. He became governor of his home state at a very young age and was re-elected time and time again. He was a twice-elected president. He's richer than King Faroux.

We've given him plenty. He does not deserve to be "First Man" too.

I voted for Bill Clinton twice. I supported him through impeachment. I did not, however, sign a life pact with him.

Anyone remember that old John Belushi skit on SNL? The Thing That Wouldn't Leave? That's pretty much how I view the Clintons at this point. 16 years of them being in my life feels like more than enough.
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chieftain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:18 AM
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7. You can characterize the negative reaction to the IWR vote as
bull, but if you really want to understand what started a significant number of Democrats on a quest to find another candidate you have to begin with that vote coupled with the support for Kyle/Lieberman. Of all the outrages that W has perpetrated the immoral Iraq war is the most abominable and Senator Clinton was part of the legitimization of one of the dumbest moves in American history.
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VotesForWomen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 04:03 PM
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97. yeah, where was that in 2004? did you just get a clue that IWR existed? nt
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workinclasszero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:18 AM
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8. IRAQ
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 10:22 AM by workinclasszero
Hillary betrayed us first.

How much do you think it hurts to have your son or daughter come home in a body bag?

You call that "bull crap"!?!?


I guess they can comfort themselves with the knowledge that their loved one died to make Dick Cheney richer, eh?:sarcasm:


And you Hillary supporters wonder why she is losing so badly??? DAMN!

Excuse me if I don't shed a tear for poor Hillary!
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SeaLyons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:33 AM
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9. My heart goes out to the Clintons
They have spent their lives in public service, they are remarkable, and they definitely don't deserve the viciousness of this board. I can't believe it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:11 AM
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16. My heart goes out to the millions killed, wounded, damaged, and displaced by Iraq War.
Who the hell told Hillary that admitting IWR vote was a mistake was a sign of weakness?
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:33 AM
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31. Lives spent in public service?
Sorry, but there is a subtle hint in your comment that the Clinton's made great sacrifices and gave up financial opportunities so they could serve their fellow man. They've also been faster to cash in on that "public service" than anyone has ever been. Anyone want to hazard a guess as to just how many millions they have socked away?

As a contrast, when General George Marshall retired on an Army pension, he refused to publish his memoirs, because he didn't want to cash in on his public service. Now THERE is a public servant.
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DangerDave921 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:37 PM
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42. LOL
Remember when Bill and Hillary were taking donations to pay their legal bills? They were hard up for cash. Now with book deals and a gazillion speeches by Bill, they are LOADED. No wonder they won't release their tax returns. When you champion the poor and yet earn millions of dollars from who knows where, you sure don't want it made public.

Oh, and does the OP know Hillary??? HOW?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:15 PM
Response to Reply #31
65. George Marshall didn't have millions of dollars in unpaid legal bills...
...due to having fought off a right-wing political witch hunt for the better part of a decade.
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BigDaddy44 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:23 PM
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71. Trust me....
The legal bills are LONG paid off.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:24 PM
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72. You can say that again..
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:34 PM
Response to Reply #9
81. welcome to DU!
A compassionate heart like yours is needed around here these days! :)
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Obamanaut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:53 PM
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86. Public service for which they were well compensated. nt
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Khaotic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:36 AM
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10. Ya Think?
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:16 AM
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18. typical----bringing trash to this forum. shame on you.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:24 AM
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24. Posting a political cartoonist is now trash?
Trash is whining about a SNL skit and calling it as proof the media is biased against Hillary.

Deal with it!
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:29 AM
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27. take it to the lounge if you must post it.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:42 AM
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36. Are you now Skinner?
It is a political cartoon, and it definitely belongs either in this forum or in Editorials.
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:49 PM
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43. it was my opine only. I did not say I was
Skinner.

enough said, you have distorted my posting. and i will not respond in kind any more on this one.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:23 AM
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23. ROTFLMAO
Oh, that's just made my day!
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:23 PM
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49. You Obama followers are easily entertained.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:50 AM
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11. I was going to just ignore your comments
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 10:52 AM by Big Blue Marble
until I read the part about Iraq. Iraq was the biggest mistake this country has ever made.
The costs in lives and treasure are enormous. What a tragedy.

She voted for it. She calculated that she had too. Her vote was expedient and is truly
representative of her character. She gambled and she lost. it was a mistake.
I feel deeply sad for those families that lost their sons and daughters.
I feel deeply sad for the Iraqi people. And I feel deeply sad for our country
that has to bear the shame of this illegal war.

There is nothing "lacking in the electorate." that cost Hillary her presidency.
It was something lacking in her character. She thought we were far more stupid
than we turned out to be.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:54 AM
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12. She voted for it and won't apologize
I have a lot more respect for those politicians who voted for the IWR but have since admitted their mistake and apologized. It takes a big person to be able to admit that they were wrong and say so publicly.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 10:56 AM
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13. Ain't that the truth. Several folks from both sides of the aisle have walked that walk.
Good men and women, all of them. Walter Jones is sticking his neck out against the GOP on a number of issues regarding IWR and the treatment of vets. Too bad Her Shrillness doesn't see the point on reflecting on her vote.
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Big Blue Marble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:18 PM
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48. Her non-apology was as calculated as her vote.
If she admitted that it was a mistake, she fears she would look weak and perhaps not so ready on Day One.

She boxed herself in and has no way to get out. She believed that the war would be short and victorious.
She believed that WMD would be there. In other words, she believed the Necon spin and thought
she had to go alone to look strong. She thought she would look good in the long run and by
now we all would have forgotten about that "little war in Iraq." Well she thought wrong.

And at least to me, shows that she is not a good choice for president or Commander-in-Chief.
I am happy that I have an alternative candidate that did not support this war from day one.
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jasmine621 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:21 PM
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96. I guess that cost Kerry his Presidency also? nt
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Infinite Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:07 AM
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14. She earned people's disdain in this campaign (as well as her Senate career) n/t
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:09 AM
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15. Those are self-inflicted wounds you see on Hillary
She should sue Mark Penn and Harold Wolfson for incompetence!
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:14 AM
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17. the Clintons have gotten far better out of life than they've deserved...
So you'll pardon me for remaining dry-eyed on this one.

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End Of The Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:35 AM
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34. This is so out of line
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NorthernSpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:42 PM
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59. Why?
:shrug:


I'm guessing at least some of the people killed in the Iraq war wouldn't think much of Hillary.

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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:29 PM
Response to Reply #17
103. And what is it they deserved? (eom)
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Mooney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:20 AM
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19. The IWR vote absolutely matters
Every candidate is always going to have an imperfect record, and will always cast votes for things I don't agree with. The IWR is not in that category. It was probably the worst foreign policy mistake of my lifetime, and she voted for it.

My wife and I just had our first child last year. I see no reason why we won't still be in Iraq when he's old enough to get drafted by President Jenna Bush and come home in a box. Hillary Clinton's IWR vote will have been partly responsible for this. Whether or not she was passionate about casting that vote is irrelevant. The point is that she did it, and for that reason she hasn't earned my vote in this primary season.

I'll vote for her if she gets the nomination, but it will be a vote cast with extreme doubts about her judgment and her ability to make good decisions.
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ProfessorPlum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:21 AM
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20. Boo F-ing Hoo. And I say that as one who is mostly neutral on
Clinton/Obama. This ain't pattycakes.
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CitizenRob Donating Member (834 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:21 AM
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21. Our country must really hurt...
after Bill Clinton allowed deregulation of the media so that the right wing bull horn could get ever louder.
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Adelante Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:22 AM
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22. She doesn't understand what is happening in the country
She just doesn't get it, so she keeps hitting the wrong notes. You may want to downplay the IWR vote, but the war stems from it, the blood and death and destruction and shame, and the near bankruptcy of the economy comes in part of paying for it. She doesn't have to say she is sorry as far as I am concerned, but she does have to be accountable to the American people for her failure of judgment in office. If that means she does not get to be president, it's justice.
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Starbucks Anarchist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:27 AM
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25. Yes, why didn't we coronate her to begin with?
:eyes:

Hillary had nearly every advantage going into this race, but she couldn't run a campaign worth squat. She failed to plan past Super Tuesday and is now suffering the consequences.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:28 AM
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26. I don't know how Hillary feels, but I know that I am surprised by the level of hatred expressed here
Yesterday, a longtime DUer whom I have always respected posted a reference to lynching in connection with Hillary Clinton. It seems that "Hillary Clinton" has now become the scapegoat for every wrong that this country has ever committed.

People have lost all sense of perspective.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:25 PM
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75. Correct..
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LizW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:56 PM
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88. Just reading through the subject lines of this thread sickens me
This is some toxic stuff.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:31 PM
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104. Well put
I have many long time DUers who I respected on ignore at this point. If people threw half as much hate at the pukes as they do to the Clintons and their supporters, McCain wouldn't stand a chance.
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:31 AM
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28. but this is not the Hillary we loved and knew (this is the packaged Hillary)
the Hillary who has had bad advice throughout her campaign. I think if she doesn't do well on March 4th then it is time.
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Independent-Voter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:46 AM
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38. Bullshit. When the best thing you can say about HRC is that she's incompetent, you know she's toast
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 12:28 PM
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41. When did anyone ever know and love Hillary?!?!?
Maybe I don't remember the 90s particularly well. I remember liking her husband who was, I think, the president quite a bit. I don't ever remember having strong feelings one way or the other for her.
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DUyellow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:32 AM
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29. im not being a jerk, but what people who she has worked with has turned on her in the most unkind, v
vicious ways?
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:32 AM
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30. Why her more than anyone else rejected?
You could say that for many of them. Don't you think Joe Biden or Chris Dodd could ask why their longer accomplishment filled careers were minimized and their personalities criticized? Don't you think that after all he did in 2005 and 2006 and with people seeing he was correct on virtually everything in 2004, John Kerry could have expected Democrats to treat him better than they did? (the vilification he got over Alito and Kerry/Feingold with peers speaking behind his back was disgusting) What thoughts likely passed his head when Bill Clinton commented Rove on the 2004 campaign? What of Edwards, who spent years in Iowa - to lose it for the second time?

Both Kerry and Kennedy made a point of praising both Edwards and HRC when they endorsed Obama. They did counter Bill Clinton when he tried to re-write history. Both have consistently spoken well of Senator Clinton as a person and a Senator.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:52 PM
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60. Exactly!
Her entire campaign has been about her. Get a grip already.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:45 PM
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84. A member of Hillary's campaign equated Kerry's endorsement to "chicken poop"
They mocked Kerry and Kennedy for endorsing Obama. Did she even denounce Marcia Pappas'comments, someone who she just dispatched to Ohio to campaign for her?

No tears for Hillary, she should have run a better campaign.






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Inuca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:58 PM
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89. Did not know about that
Chicken poop? Nice...

Cartoons: LOL!
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:33 AM
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32. Poor baby
:nopity:
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:34 AM
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33. A major Hillary supporter hits Stage 2: Anger
At least you're not in denial anymore!

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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:41 AM
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35. The Queen Expected a Coronation
Wrong. Billary promised her the White House if she didn't divorce him back in 1998.

Oh well.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:45 AM
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37. This is POLITICS! Professional POLITICS!
The whole point is one person or group screwing another person or group. If the Clinton's feelings are hurt, maybe they should have been greeters at Wal*Mart or entertainers at Disneyworld instead of professional politicians. It's not like they didn't know they were neck deep in a sewer their whole adult lives.
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:34 PM
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105. Remember that concept when
Senator Obama is getting the shit kicked out of him during the GE (although I do think he has a good chance of winning). This has been paddy cake compared to what the pukes are going to do.
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InAbLuEsTaTe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:47 AM
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39. She hurt herself . . .
I don't feel the least bit sorry for her.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 11:53 AM
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40. "the Hillary I know"?
I don't know who this woman is.

Is she the one who voted for the IWR & Kyle-Lieberman, or the one who claims she's going to stop "Bush's" war?

Is she the one who voted for the bankruptcy bill, or the one who says she's glad it failed?

The one who courts favor with conservatives by sponsoring an anti-flag burning bill & stabs Kerry in the back over his botched joke, or the one who acts like a Democrat only after losing Iowa?

The one who touts "35 years of experience" or the one who claims she "found her voice" right before New Hampshire?

The one who thought NAFTA was good for the country, or the one who thinks it wasn't?

The one who had 8 years to deliver universal health care and failed, or the one who claims only she knows how to do it right?

The one who's "so honored" to appear with Obama, or the one who viciously mocks him?

The one who's "ready on Day One" or the one who can't run what seemed to be a shoo-in campaign with every advantage?

I swear... if she had shown the same outrage towards Iraq, the out-of-control spending, the shredding of the Constitution, the dismantling of civil rights, and corporate greed as she's shown to Obama's mailers... I would be feeling very differently towards her now.

Which Hillary do YOU know? Because I sure don't know which one is authentic.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:03 PM
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46. GREAT POST
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anamandujano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:26 PM
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50. And you're happy with a guy who is a repackaged campaign who
inserts the words new, hope and change into every other sentence.
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Ino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:55 PM
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62. Obama may be a somewhat unknown quantity...
but Hillary's package is out there, and I sure don't like what I see.

She spent all her time in the Senate triangulating away LIVES, the treasury, civil rights... staying on what she perceived as the "winning side" rather than the "right side"... trying to appeal to moderates, independents, disgruntled Republicans... confident that "it will be me" (interview with Couric Nov 07) so she didn't have to appeal to Dems.

Until she came in third in Iowa. Then she realized she had to act like a Democrat, or show her inner Democrat (not sure which it was) to win the primary. Then she was ALL about the "change" word. Paraphrasing: "I'm the change candidate. I don't just hope for change. I don't just demand change..." Remember that? What a surprise. She shifted to the NEW winning side.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:33 PM
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56. Preach it. No one WANTS to dislike Hillary.
But her triangulation and below-board tactics have really soured a lot of people like myself who donated to her first Senate campaign.
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COFoothills Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:21 PM
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69. BEST...POST....
...ON...THREAD
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:05 PM
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91. RE: "The one who's "so honored" to appear with Obama, or the one who viciously mocks him?":
That's what turned me. I will now vote for Obama (PA). The mocking speech in RI was not in keeping with my expectations on how Democrats treat each other.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:02 PM
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45. Is this a drive by?
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:09 PM
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47. can't imagine why...
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:29 PM
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52. It was her campaign. She was in charge.
HRC campaign for President has simply failed to develop a compelling
message on why she should be President. If you did not immediately buy into the inevitability argument there was never a compelling hook for anybody to join that was not already a fan. Her experience arguement was destroyed by her inability to make a clear statement about the IWR vote, admitting the mistake and moving on.

If she repeat she had not been so interested in packaging a product for consumption but rather fired her pollsters and consultants and just put herself out there she would have been the candidate. It happened for a moment in NH and the people responded. The great irony of this campaign season is, that Sen. McCain's prescription of just leaving all of the packagers behind and doing town meetings would have made her a rock star. Can you imagine the media she would have generated by travelling by herself and just talking to people.

So now she has been hanging on after one landslide after another. Please do not take any one instance and make a morality statement out of that. Sen. Clinton has been defeated. She has no hope of winning the nomination without some nuclear event. So now the Obama campaign and everyone else in the party are going to jump on every little mosquito burp to get this done by Mar 4th.

Sen. Clinton, President Clinton and all of the other paid consultants are guilty of campaign malpractice. Rather than settling out of court we have to wait for another jury. Just like any other civil action don't be surprised if the jury on Mar 4th brings in damages that will have a devestating effect on the Clintons. They could have settled some time ago for pennuies.

After Wisconsin this stopped being about Obama winning it is now simply about packing up the circus with as little damage as possible. The ball is in Clinton's court
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 03:07 AM
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98. Agreed. Probably would have won if she had run as herself
Maybe she'll have an Al Gore moment about all the "handling." Gore has global warming, and Edwards poverty--lots of other stuff out there needing a strong well-known advocate.
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Tatiana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:29 PM
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54. I'm still stunned that Bill Richardson did not endorse her. n/t
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leftynyc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:35 PM
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106. He wants to be VP
I hope Senator Obama is smart enough to offer it to him.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:32 PM
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55. If she has to wonder what she's done to cause this alienation, I
don't think she's the right person to become commander-in-chief. I think the Hillary you know has two faces as evidenced by her actions and words this past week. We'll see what she does tonight.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:55 PM
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61. Fuck it.
She shat in her own nest.
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COFoothills Donating Member (216 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 01:57 PM
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63. Oh yes, woe is she....
..poor, poor Hillary. Runs an inept campaign and squanders millions of dollars from her loyal supporters and I'm supposed to feel bad for her.

Sorry, no.
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:08 PM
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64. I think the Clintons are saddened because they love black people so much & blacks are supporting BO
I don't mean to make it like they ONLY love black people, of course, or that Obama doesn't deserve their support. It's just that they've always had such a great relationship with the black community in the past, and for all the right reasons. It's got to make them sad to think that this is the first time they don't have the black support they've always enjoyed in the past.

I also think that Bill and Hillary will be the last people on earth who will ever complain how African Americans decided to support Obama instead of supporting Hillary.

Win or lose, once this election is over, the African American community will always love the Clintons and vice verca...but it's gotta be putting a hurting on the Clintons in the meantime.
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NOLALady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:55 PM
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87. They've always had a such a great relationship
with the Black community that maybe they took the vote for granted. Maybe they didn't feel the need to get the vote the old fashioned way, like earn it.
Many (most) of the Black community support Democrats. The Clintons were supported because they were Democrats. You see, the Clintons didn't have to LOVE the Black community to get their support. The community had the sense enough to know that the alternative was worse.

The Black community along with the rest of Americans have a choice to vote for one of two viable Democratic nominees.

I don't see the support of Barack Obama as a testament to the Black community turning their backs on the Clintons. Many are voting for Obama, while others support HRC.
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:15 PM
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66. It's a sad day.
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Shine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:19 PM
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67. I'm sure you're right about her feeling hurt.
It's hard not to take rejection as anything else but personal....but in the end, she'll be fine, I'm sure.

She's a strong woman and I'm proud of her.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:22 PM
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70. It's in large part because she is female... even many progressives
even many progressives still love to attack a female.

there are certainly other reasons, but the fervor with which she is detested is partly because she is female.

It's very sad to see.
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:29 PM
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78. I don't think that's true at all
I think it's because she's run a bad campaign and is at this point helping the GOP more than the Dems. I don't think her gender has anything to do with it. I know too many intelligent, confident women who are anti-Hillary.

I think the "It's because she's a woman" argument is just another attempt to garner sympathy and demonize those who don't like her.
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ORDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:25 PM
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74. Oh, I have zero doubt that she will find plenty of places to point her finger.
That's the way of the Clintons, never their fault. If she wants to know why she didn't win, then she only needs look in the mirror.
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snooper2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:26 PM
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76. She has been waiting 35 years for this...
Helped Bill in Arkansas, helped him get elected to top office, helped him stay and get elected again, stood by his side with the Monica blowjobs, ran for safe Senate seat...

Now after all these years and all the bullshit, it's supposed to be HER TURN!

Whatever, her and her "team" have fucked up beyond belief, and now they reap what they sowed.....


Feel Sorry for her Lifetime Salary, Feel Sorry for her Lifetime Insurance Coverage, Feel Sorry for her 10's in millions in assets and cash, Feel Sorry for all her book deals, Feel sorry for :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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book_worm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:29 PM
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79. well she has to expect opposition when she runs for president
and if she can't take it she has no right running. What threw her off is she thought it would be a coronation and instead it was a contest. BTW, the Clinton's have not run exactly the cleanest campaign either.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:30 PM
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80. They seem to hate her more than the Republicons...
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 02:31 PM by butterfly77
or Bill Clinton, I don't get it,but a lot of it has to do with the asshole media...A lot of them are probably posting on these boards they started the fires and are making sure they keep going along with some of their repug friends...
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NastyRiffraff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:06 PM
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92. They hate her MUCH more than Republicans
It's not even close. I have no doubt some of them would vote for McCain if she were the nominee.

The hatred is passionate, and personal. It has almost zero to do with politics. Some of them have bought into the RW Noise Machine 100% when it comes to the Clintons. They parrot every single Rovian talking point regarding HIllary. And they honestly think it's their own brilliant analysis.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 02:40 PM
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83. These posts don't surprise me, but they certainly disgust me.
I'll let the pit bulls tear the Clintons to pieces without my presence here. Unfortunately, you can't even have one nice post for Hill and Bill without them foaming at the mouth like a dog with rabies. I'm terribly afraid that we all will catch this horrible disease. Good luck with this post, you will need it.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:11 PM
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93. Boo hoo....I think I'm gonna cry....
Cry me a river.

She has run the worst presidential political campaign EVER. She's getting what she rightfully deserves.

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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-26-08 03:19 PM
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95. Hillary's rotten campaign has brought a lot of this on themselves.
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From The Left Donating Member (670 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 04:12 PM
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101. Someone Wins and Someone Loses
It's called politics 101.
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