Hill is DONE. Vote for SERIOUS OBAMA V.P OPTIONS to Neutralize McCain

[Sensitivity]

Poll question: Hill is DONE. Vote for SERIOUS OBAMA V.P OPTIONS to Neutralize McCain

In 2004 John Kerry wanted to take Clark as V.P. The party voices rallied behind the John Edwards lobby and Kerry caved. That denied Kerry the National Security strength to hit back at the Swifties. We know what happenned.

Please don't do the same to Obama!!!

He absolutely must make a National Security V.P selection to begin to neutralize McCain's war and terror advantage. He also wants to win with a national coalition which crosses party lines in order to be able to get things done.

PLEASE STOP SUGGESTING V.P CHOICES THAT UNDERMINE THAT OBJECTIVE. THE RIGHT V.P. AND WE WIN!!

Wes Clark is known here and is an obvious favorite. But Clark has been criticising Obama so we may want to do some research into the others who are more likely for a change, and take a little time to think. For example:

Senator James Webb's is a highly decorated Vietnam War combat veteran with a son in Irq. During his four years with the Reagan administration, Webb served as the first Assistant Secretary of Defense for Reserve Affairs, then as Secretary of the Navy. As a former Republican he could help win independents and the state of Virginia.



General David Petraeus is not just Chief of Staff of the U.S. Army and "America's most respected soldier” but this preeminent military strategist has a Ph.D. in International Relations from Princeton University. He has approached Iraq just the way Clark and others recommended – from a position of strength he negotiated strategic compromises with former enemies. Has expressed interest in presidential politics, let it be as a Democrat.



General Anthony Zinni is a highly decorated combat veteranand one of the most respected and outspoken military leaders of the past two decades.

When he retired in 2000 he was commander-in-chief of the United States Central Command, in charge of all American troops in the Middle East, but after being appointed special envoy to the Middle East he broke with the Bush administration and became one of the fiercest critics of Bush Iraq war. In his book "The Battle For Peace" (2006) Zinni argues that the roots of the world's growing turmoil are not being addressed and that America's aggressive confidence is making it worse--with potentially devastating implications for the safety of Americans



Here are some choices with National Security experience that meet those objectives.

[Araxen]

1. You left off the best one

Bill Richardson

[Dems Will Win]

27. Actually Obama is most likely to pick Tim Kaine, who is a great campaigner and organizer

and will deliver the bigger state of Virginia

Richardson was not a good campaigner, and that would make a black-Hispanic ticket when Obama is going to win the Latino vote anyhow big-time.

Virginia, and with it maybe North Carolina and even Georgia, is a much bigger prize in electoral votes in the end.

A black-white southern male ticket.

Plus Kaine endorsed Obama a year ago and cannot run for another term as Gov. And there are NO Senate seats for him to run for either in VA! His Lt. Gov would become the Gov and run as an incumbent in 2009!

THink about it. Kaine is far more likely than Richardson who just doesn't have the oomph a good candidate should have.

[Dhampir Kampf]

79. VA's Lt. Governor is a Republican.

In Virginia, they run separately.

I don't know if it would be good for VA to lose a Democratic Governor like Kaine, for someone like Bill Bolling.

Even though I would like Kaine to be a V.P.

Or even Mark Warner of VA, though he's running for Senate, I'd like him as a V.P.

[bo tox]

87. Clinton would not be Obama's "girl"

[Think82]

45. actually, Biden would be the best one.

The question is, will he accept if asked?

[JerseygirlCT]

111. He had said no back when he was still in it.

But I agree with you. He's incredibly smart, skilled, and experienced. They'd make a great team.

[trueblue2007]

98. HILLARY CLINTON...WILL CHOOSE JOHN EDWARDS!!

Obama loses.

[FlyingSquirrel]

101. I actually think she would choose Obama.

But it may be a moot point. How long till the debate?

[RummyTheDummy]

115. Richardson is a nice guy, but he looks like a used car salesman.

[JTFrog]

127. I don't have a problem with the guy's looks.

I have a problem with some of the things he's done. He tried to get the weapons inspectors to lie about WMD's so Clinton could bomb Iraq (yeah sound like another administration we know?). I also have a problem with the destroyed/dissapeared New Mexico ballots. He's a Clinton player. Not the kind of guy Obama needs on a ticket that encourages change and transparency.

[The Anti-Bush]

119. It would never happen.

While I wish we were there, we're not yet.

You cannot have a ticket without at least one white candidate.

Let me again say, I wish were were there, and I would DEFINITELY vote for that ticket.

[YOY]

2. Webb all the way

Petraeus? Don't make me laugh...

[Oleladylib]

3. none of the above..Webb is as green as Obama..stop the madness.

[jgraz]

4. Webb lost his shot when he voted for telco immunity

And Petraeus? Are you fucking kidding me?

If Obama needs a warmongering Bush apologist to win in November, we're already fucked.

[Sensitivity]

30. Rather dogmatic, eh??

[jgraz]

35. Not really. I just know my limits.

I'll support an avowed centrist who wants to play patty-cake with the Rethugs. I'll even allow for the fact that his approach might be right.

But Betrayus? Give me a fucking break. At least select a Democrat. At least stick to your anti-war principles. :banghead:

[JerseygirlCT]

112. I'm with you. Pass on that. nt

[SteppingRazor]

5. I still say Bill Richardson.

As for your options, if I had to pick one, I'd go with Webb or maybe Zinni.

No fucking way in hell I'd pick Hagel or Patraeus. Patraeus, as the most recent conductor of the war in Iraq, would nullify Obama's antiwar position -- a colossal mistake when running against pro-war McCain. And Hagel? Fuck that noise. No way that guy should be a heartbeat away from the presidency.

[Sensitivity]

16. How would McCain attack Petraeus?? Perfect person to end the War w Negotiations

Petraeus has negotiated the little reduction in violence that now exists rather than
escalating with search and destroy missions. He has done it the inteligent democratic way.

[SteppingRazor]

25. Petraeus took on the job of prosecuting the Iraq War for Bush when no one else would.

He's an errand boy for the status quo. As for the current little reduction in violence, we can talk all day about why that is, whether it's "the surge," the Mahdi Army's ceasefire, or the simple fact that most of the ethnic cleansing has already taken place. As one Sunni noted in a recent Wall Street Journal article when discussing his neighborhood, "Even the birds that fly over our heads are Sunni now."

I disagree that Gen. Petraeus has been responsible for brokering a measure of peace in Iraq. And even if he does, to the typical voter, he represents prosecution of the Iraq War, which means that adding him to the ticket destroys Obama's position as an advocate of ending the war in Iraq. Adding Petraeus to the ticket would be a colossally bad move.

[Sensitivity]

99. He broke with "status quo" and unilaterally negotiated with the "terrorists"

He did the right thing without asking questions.

He brought the Bathist back. He gave sunni figthers jobs keeping the peace.

[harun]

23. I would go for Richardson first then Patraeus, none of the others in the list (n/t)

[TwilightGardener]

63. Petraeus? WTF?? He's a Bush ass-kisser. How about Condi Rice? Or Cheney, then?

[GodlessBiker]

6. What are Zinni's positions on some of the more important issues?

I want to know more.

[Sir Jeffrey]

I really think it is going to be Tim Kaine nt

[Kolesar]

14. I saw Governor Kaine on camera during the Richmond bicycle race

Nice guy and very articulate. His son's a cyclist. Did I say he's a nice guy?

[NoodleBoy]

7. You can't be serious.

David Petraeus, Bush's water carrier?

And Anthony Zinni, even though he has been against the war, describes himself as a staunch hardcore conservative.

[meow mix]

8. this is a tough poll, cant decide yet...

:yoiks:

[ourbluenation]

9. Wesley Clark n/t

[Pirate Smile]

10. That was the combo I liked before he endorsed Clinton.

[Leopolds Ghost]

47. I'm not sure why Wesley Clark's not on this list.

He would be the perfect Clintonite to bring into the fold...

He did more defending Kerry than Edwards (with his sour grapes mentality) did.

Clark is a good soldier and is more interested in policy and personal advancement
than loyalty to the Clinton family, methinks.

And he's anti-war, unlike the rest of the Clinton camp.

Like Richardson, he's only allied to the Clintons because he was promoted by their administration.

[underpants]

11. Look for a governor from the Mountain West-that is the battlegroud in '08

or Richardson but he is pretty much a Clinton guy so that is unlikely

[Alexander]

92. Napolitano would be excellent.

[IndianaGreen]

12. None of the above, and particularly not that ass kisser Petraeus!

Obama should pick a woman governor as running mate because it is the economy and immigration that are going to be problems. Janet Napolitano or Kathleen Sebelius would be great on the ticket.

Obama should consider someone like former General Zinni for Secretary of State, which would signal that he is putting peace in the Middle East as the top of his foreign policy agenda.

We need Kerry and Webb in the Senate to help carry Obama's legislative agenda. Perhaps Kerry will challenge that worthless Harry Reid for majority leader.

Biden would be good at the Pentagon, plus his son could be appointed to replace him in the Senate. Biden is my second choice for Secretary of State, Zinni my first.

[mkultra]

13. wesly clark.

[Sensitivity]

120. Favorite of most, but supports Hillary strongly

[Perky]

15. Richardson, Sam Nunn,, Bob Graham, Bill Cohen

You have to have a Washington Insider and you have to highlight gravitas and you have to emphasize Foriegn Policy and national Security over a "let's kick some arab ass menetality".

It is tricky and I think you do have to blunt the IslamoFascist are the enemy screed....I think you need to give a nod to a strong military and a stron Homeland Security/National Security team. but you do that by arguing from a TR perspective of Speak Softly and carry a big stick..." I do not think you necessarily need a general to play that role.

Maybe Bob Kerrey?

[elfin]

29. I like this list -- add Dodd eom

[Adelante]

17. Wes Clark nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

18. All of them former members of the Military Industrial Complex

Gee and a heartbeat away from the President....

Petraeus is a neo-con lacky

Webb vote on FISA rules him out.

[harun]

20. I don't think anyone stops being a member of the Military Industrial Complex

once a part of it.

[Ichingcarpenter]

24. A heartbeat away from the president

The list is a right wing wet dream

[Sensitivity]

22. Link to Petraeus being "Neo-con lacky." Likely he will be a Pres Candidate for R or D in future

[Ichingcarpenter]

26. Look at the other thread you started

I posted for links.

[K Gardner]

19. I like all of them. I had been advocating Biden, but hear me out..

Obama needs to win the southern states and red states to get a landslide. I know the people "down here".. Lieberman hurt Gore down here and unfortunately, Kerry didn't go over well even with Edwards on the ticket. Its the northern elite thing, I think, that would render a Biden VP probably not an asset in SOME states. Although I'd love to see Biden there, personally.

A strong military presence would help, IMO.

[liam_laddie]

21. Petraeus???

That Bush ass-kisser? Surely you jest. Wes Clark is the best choice; he's not a Billary-bot, but a Dem, first & foremost. Then maybe Bill Richardson. If Zinni would get more press, him too. My €0.02...

[Sensitivity]

28. Petraeus executed the Clark strategy for withdrawal -- negotiation with insurgency, force political

compromise. If Kerry had won in 2004 there was no one to better execute the end of the war
than Petraeus.

[TwilightGardener]

67. Petraeus has only been successful at paying off Sunni insurgents and setting

up barriers and checkpoints in already-cleansed neighborhoods--and also paying off al Sadr, or promising him something for the cease-fire. All he did was help the neocons prolong the war. You are brain-addled.

[Sensitivity]

81. He did the right thing. Everyone knew you had to include the Sunni. He did it

[Vinca]

31. I voted for Webb, but the notion of Petraeus is hysterical.

Can you imagine what affect that would have on the Republican world at large - especially the ones who had their panties in a knot over MoveOn? I could almost go along with this just for the comedy aspect.

[bowens43]

32. We don't need a soldier boy...... nt

[RaleighNCDUer]

33. That's silly.

Kerry didn't have the nat'l security strength?

That's WHY he could choose Edwards - because HE was all the nat'l security credentials the ticket needed.

I strongly object to career military men running the government. It doesn't usually work out so well.

[Sensitivity]

55. For example? Washington, Eisenhower, ?? please explain

[RaleighNCDUer]

65. That's 2 in two centuries. And i have my doubts about Eisenhower.

How about Grant? The most corrupt administration, before this one. Can't say how Harrison would have done, since he died after 30 days. Any other career military? (Actually, you can't count Washington because his military service was a few years in the French & Indian War and 8 years in the revolution - the rest of the time he was a gentleman farmer, landowner, surveyor, not career military).

Historically we have avoided putting career military at the head of the government because the needs of running the nation are NOT equivalent to the needs of running an army. A general doesn't need to politic - he says what he wants, and people jump to do it. The last 7 years have been government of that style - we don't need it.

[Sensitivity]

117. Shows IGNORANCE OF U.S. history, sorry to say

Only ten times in the fifty-two national elections since 1789 has a completely civilian slate run for the Oval Office.

[Hippo_Tron]

105. Ask the people of Iran about how great Ike was...

Just because Ike was better than Nixon, Raygun, and Bush doesn't mean that he was good.

[MadBadger]

34. What an idiotic poll

Petraeus?

[Sensitivity]

51. Did you know that, like Clark, Petraeus had interest in Presidential politics

He is a serious option.

[MadBadger]

53. Petraeus is Bush's Lap Dog....you remember that right?

[Sensitivity]

100. Since when. Petraeus will be working for Obama as his "lap dog"

come next Jan. His job is to obey the CIC.

[Marrah_G]

36. Your title stinks and is not accurate. Flamebait !

If you had not asked the question in such an assholish manner I would have happily told you my thoughts on who would be a good VP for Sen Obama.

Shame on you and the rest of the zealotous candidate supporters for treating other DUers so badly.

[eissa]

37. I'm still sticking with

former Virginia governor Mark Warner. I know he's running for the Senate, but I think he'd be a great asset. Plus it saves a Senate seat that our future president will definitely need. And absolutely NO WAY should Betrayus ever ben considered.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

38. Hillary.

An Obama/Hillary,Hillary/Obama ticket would be the only one in my lifetime where I would consider it a GUARANTEED victory. With as important as November is, I think our party would be foolish to have anything OTHER than that guaranteed victory combination.

[FlyingSquirrel]

93. For some reason I just don't think Obama would choose Clinton

nor do I think she'd accept if asked.

[SoxFan]

39. Biden, Clark, Richardson, Kerrey

Biden is probably the best from an electoral standpoint. He appeals to the sort of ethnic, Catholic, blue collar Dems that have been slow to warm up to Obama, firms up the ticket in DE, PA, and NJ, and is an articulate and experienced campaigner.

[endarkenment]

40. No thanks, faulty premise, bogus poll. GWOT is bullshit.

[Tatiana]

41. If he picked Clark, we'd win 47 states. n/t

[Ichingcarpenter]

42. Senior Pentagon officials said

an Obama swearing-in "will give the Arab street the final victory, the best optics, and the ultimate in bragging rights. They win. We lose."


http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080226/NATION/476716884/1001&template=nextpage

[AtomicKitten]

43. Jim Webb.

[jpak]

44. Max Cleland

:patriot:

[leftstreet]

46. National Security experience won't matter. It'll probably be Edwards

The average voter doesn't give a shit about Iraq, aside from the money being blown on it. Obama's "hope" and "change" is mostly about a populist sounding message. That's why he'll probably choose either an unknown, or Edwards.

[Swamp Rat]

48. CHUCK HAGEL?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

[Swamp Rat]

49. DAVID PETRAEUS?!?!?!?!?!??!?!??!?! ?!?!??!?!?!??!??!?!??!?!?? ?!??!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!

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[Leopolds Ghost]

107. SWAMP RAT?!?!?!?!?!? (you're back!)

:hi:

[Swamp Rat]

114. For a little while

:hi: Got a busy schedule... but not too busy to watch the three ring circus here today. :D

[Firespirit]

50. John Kerry for Attorney General.

The AG will be THE most important executive position to those of us who are interested in investigations of Bushco, who want Siegelman released, who want the books opened, and want the bastards prosecuted for their crimes. Kerry, as a Senator, led investigations into BCCI and Iran-Contra, run by the same damn cohort who are running our government now, and would've continued if President Clinton had not ended it. He shouldn't be hobbled as VP, shouldn't be put as SoS when there are many qualified people for it, and isn't even appreciated by his own state. We need a proven investigator and prosecutor to nail these crooks.

[Muttocracy]

123. ooh, interesting idea nt

[Baconfoot]

52. Richardson. The party people like him. He's from a purple state. He's latino. NT

[Capn Sunshine]

54. I think you've spent too much time drinking the "War on Terra" Kool-Aid

I don't think a majority of the elctorate has any view whatsoever that McCain "has an advantage" on the war on terror.

Obama has been a voice for the logical prosecution of war against terrorists, and it doesn't involve spending 3 trillion dollars in the wrong fucking country, something McCain embraced with all his heart and soul.

[I Vote In Pittsburgh]

56. NO, not Webb!!!

He has a pretty low approval rating in his home state: http://www.surveyusa.com/client/PollReport.aspx?g=49f788cf-6843-43c7-ba06-6967f6f19c21

[Exilednight]

57. Petraeus is a Republican, and will not switch parties. It's a fact that isn't going to change ....

Bill Richardson is the best choice. His resume is one of the best, and the plus side is he can deliver parts of the Southwest, and he has executive experience. You get a full slate with Richardson.

For a winning strategy, Governor Richardson is the best choice.

[Firespirit]

58. I agree, we do not need a Republican VP

ESPECIALLY a Republican "security" VP.

The only message that sends is that we couldn't find a Democrat with national security credentials, and that plays right into the GOP's fearmongering about our party.

[Sensitivity]

69. Please link proof of Repub registration. Not that is should matter. Repubs for Obama, no?

[Firespirit]

71. It doesn't matter for supporters, but people expect a D/D ticket

If Barack were to choose a Republican, especially a Republican "war on terror" VP, it would send the message that he could not find a qualified Democrat.

With McCain and whatever loon he selects, there will already be two Repubs in the race. We don't need 3 of the 4 people on major-party tickets to be from that disgraced party.

[Exilednight]

77. All a person capable of critical thought needs to do is go back and review ....

his testimony during the Congressional hearings and reread statements that he has made. If you don't see it, then I can't help you. Remember, this is the guy who asked for, and fought for, the surge. If that's not a repug, then what is?

[Sensitivity]

80. A Military leader who knew what needed to be done to get out of the mess Bush created

[Exilednight]

83. You get out of the mess by withdrawing troops, not sending more in.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

59. Petraeus?

"America's most respected soldier”

this preeminent military strategist


Please stop with this bullshit.

[Sensitivity]

86. Would we be more unbiased if he declared himself a Democrat?

[HCE SuiGeneris]

95. I don't know about the "we" part, but...

I do not hold him in high esteem. He is a lackey for this cabal that occupies our highest offices.

[Sensitivity]

116. You want him to resign. Who would the next pres call on if all good soldiers quit

[HCE SuiGeneris]

118. That's the whole problem. All the good soldiers have quit under ChimpCo's reign.

[slick8790]

60. Might be a long shot, but I have a strange feeling it'll be Bill Bradley. n/t

[Leopolds Ghost]

109. Then you'd have an all-Basketball ticket.

Since Obama and Bradley are both old B-ball players in school, right?

[Bullet1987]

61. None...

Picking a General or an inexperienced politician when Obama already gets attacked for being inexperienced will not make the GE any easier.

[TwilightGardener]

62. Petraeus is a Bush sycophant. You might as well suggest Mitch McConnell. Fucking stupid.

Zinni is unknown, except for being a general who doesn't like the war. WTF?

[Sensitivity]

68. Sycophant. Link please? Why do we want to define the best people as enemies

without facts?

[TwilightGardener]

70. He's a POS. You've got to be kidding me. He's not the "best people"--you're fucking

delusional if you think the Dems are going to have anything to do with a pro-war cheerleader and sycophant. If you believe he's some sort of "genius", then you're on the wrong board. He's a bribery king--that's all he's been doing in Iraq. Paying bribes, and using airstrikes to terrorize "insurgents", and restricting Iraqis' movements and activities, and using Iraqis to fight each other. Your other choices are OK--especially Webb and Hagel. But, Zinni is an unknown, and Petraeus is a Repub asshole.

[Exilednight]

78. I agree, he is a sycophant., and he is far from being the best person, or in the top 500 for that ..

He believes the surge is working, yet only one objective has been met.

[BringBigDogBack]

64. Didn't vote.

Patraeus? What?


Gimme Dodd, Biden, or Edwards, or please drive thru.

[GrantDem]

66. Tim Kaine or Jim Webb n/t

[TheDonkey]

72. We need someone with major military/veteran credintials to nullify McCain's only stregnth

i need to know more about those General's domestic issues and campaigning style. I like Webb so far b/c I know about those things from him.

[Sensitivity]

126. Wonder how people would go for Kerry as V.P. Not much support here

[Thrill]

73. Webb makes so much sense

Military experience, Attack dog, and can bring a state with him

[RichardRay]

74. Voted Webb, but prefer Clark

but he wasn't on the list.

I know he has supported Clinton, but I believe he is a consumate professional and, if he accepted the role, would campaign incredibly well, balance McCain's strong suit and totally kill anyone the R's can trot out in a debate setting. Sure, he's an ex-general and has that perspective, but he knows how to take care of his people.

[Leopolds Ghost]

110. And he is a heartland military Dem who is more liberal than most in the Clinton camp

Clark can bring Clinton fans on board and unify the party while being
in agreement with Obama on the issues anyhow.

He would not undermine Obama's campaign at the request of the DLC,
the way the DLC urged Edwards to repudiate Kerry's talking points.

[SKKY]

75. What are we trying to do? Form another Knesset here???

Step out of the box people.

[donheld]

76. Why no Wesley Clark?

Why general betrayus?

[Sensitivity]

84. Clark is everyone's fav. But opposed Obama. Should think about others who have

all the strengths of Clark without the prior commitments.
Clark is like the default choice at DU.

[Sensitivity]

85. Clark is everyone's fav. But opposed Obama. Should think about others who have

all the strengths of Clark without the prior commitments.
Clark is like the default choice at DU.

[Exilednight]

88. I honestly believe more people would support Bill Richardson.

[Sensitivity]

96. How does Richarson nuetralize the McCain National Security strength

At base the public has a right to be concerned about the security of the nation.
Obama does not have much experience. That fear should be addressed out of respect for the people.

[Exilednight]

97. Take a look at Richardson's resume. He was the only one running who actually...

negotiated with North Korea, Iraq, and Iran. He was our Ambassador to the UN.

Just some food for thought. Until Cheney came along, VP's didn't play much of a role in national security.

If you want someone for national security, then you get a great secretary of defense, and secretary of state, not a VP. Clark would make a great SOD, but I wouldn't make him Secretary of State. For that position I would look for another/next Madeline Albright.

[Sensitivity]

125. Take a look at what happened in the primary. No Military Experience

[Eric J in MN]

82. Chris Dodd.

He has experience and believes in Constitutional rights.

[mirrera]

89. YUCK!!!!

GEEZUS... Why are we even embracing the National Security frame. Webb just voted for the Telecom immunity. Wow. How about Russ Feingold? Richardson? DODD??????
Not voting in this soldieristic poll.

[me b zola]

90. Is this April Fool's Day?

:crazy:

[Alexander]

91. Feingold. He counters McCain's campaign finance issue.

Plus he's been dealing with national security issues for the past 15 years in the Senate.

[TheWraith]

94. Webb, or General Wes Clark.

Clark, I think, would be better. You'd be hard pressed to find anybody with more military and foreign policy credibility than the former Supreme Commander NATO Allied Forces Europe.

[FarCenter]

102. Ex-Generals Are Not Qualified to be Vice President

You want foreign policy and national security experience, not military experience.

Take Colin Powell as an example. When it came time for him to exercise independent judgement and common sense, he failed. He saluted, followed orders, and disgraced himself, his career and our country at the UN.

Joe Biden or Bill Richardson would be good choices.

[Sensitivity]

104. since when? ex-gen have been pres, v,p tthrough u.s. history

[FarCenter]

122. The only President in the 20th Century was Eisenhower

And Ike was a somewhat special case, since he was picked out of the officer's corp by George Marshall and moved into high-level staff planning -- he didn't rise through the usual ass-kissing route. Plus, as Supreme Commander in Europe, he gained a fairly unique combination of organizational and political experience.

Teddy Roosevelt was maybe a Colonel?

I suppose that George Bush I, as Director of the CIA, had a general equivalent rank in the national security establishment.

George Washington was another special case.

U S Grant was a disaster.

Andrew Jackson was a very controversial President.

Harrison didn't last long.

Who do you have in mind as a great ex-general President?

[Sensitivity]

124. I did not say "great" . Just that is not weird to have military experience on the ticket

Only ten times in the fifty-two national elections since 1789 has a completely civilian slate run for the Oval Office

[elixir]

103. Eek, are those your choices?!!! Boy, you really want BO to lose, don't you?!!

[Warren DeMontague]

106. I could not disagree more with your analysis. I think you are unbelievably wrong about EVERYTHING.

And John Kerry didn't lose because he picked Edwards over Clark, although I think Clark would be a better choice than any of the folks you have listed above.

I'd like to see him pick Russ Feingold, but from an electoral standpoint Richardson is probably the smartest choice.

[Sensitivity]

108. Trying the electoral college game again. When will we look to the big picture

and just win broad and wide and overwhelming.

[crispini]

121. Um, when we get rid of the electoral college?

:shrug:

[Sensitivity]

128. Guess you did'nt get the memo: TICKET NEEDS NATIONAL SECURITY STRENGTH

[arewenotdemo]

113. Mark Warner.