Obama: U.S. Flag Lapel, No/Somali Garb, Yes

[oasis]

How will this play in flyover country when it comes up during the general election?

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[Colobo]

3. March 5th. It'll be over. Have faith.

[SoFlaJet]

11. I truly hope so

this in-fighting that is being brought to a different level every day by the Clinton campaign is hurting the party-par for the course though as they showed exactly what kind of shit they were OK with since the John Kerry botched punchline deal-they showed their hand even before the '06 election when they along with her "good friend" John McCain came out on TV with their condemnations OF Kerry-scumbags

[jlake]

95. That's when the GOP takes over.... the only thing getting Fired Up and Ready to Go!

will be the HATE Machine.....

[Beacool]

110. Yep!!!

That's when the real "fun" begins........

[oasis]

14. You refuse to answer the question. He'll have to. Count on it.

[Occam Bandage]

22. He's already answered the question.

[Inuca]

16. You are being too nice n/t

[ElsewheresDaughter]

25. no he is not a troll...I have seen this already on many forums on social/political discussion boards

[Occam Bandage]

27. Then it is possible he is not a troll, but an idiot.

[oasis]

44. Yes and you're a goddamn genius but you cannot answer a simple question.(eom)

[Occam Bandage]

45. I have. Several times.

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[oasis]

17. That will be Obama's answer too, I suppose.

;-)

[Ichingcarpenter]

4. Same way as your thread

zero recommendations

[berni_mccoy]

5. If they are down to attacking this baseless crap, then they are appealing to the 10-percenters

[oasis]

29. 90+ percent of Americans are proud of their flag. They likely want a president

who tends to be a little less aloof about displaying pride in America's symbols.

[Occam Bandage]

35. Obama doesn't cower before right-wing claims of "unpatriotism," because doing that

allows them to set the definition of patriotism and of pride in America. If you debate your opponent on their terms, you will lose.

[berni_mccoy]

59. 90% of Americans don't believe you have to wear a lapel pin to prove your patriotism

And only 10% care enough for it to affect their vote. And those 10% would never vote Democratic anyway... they are 10 of the 19% that still support Bush.

[SOS]

63. What percentage of Americans live in "flyover country"?

What's more annoying to the heartland voter...

The fact that McCain and Obama don't dress like Dick Cheney
or calling everything between NY and LA flyover country?

Flyover is the very definition of aloof.

[oasis]

73. Uh hello. I'm addressing the Q to you guys, not them. They don't read these boards

but they do believe in showing respect for "their" flag.

[endarkenment]

85. "How will this play in flyover country "

The question certainly is fair. Your 'deep concern' was about how it will play in the 'flyover' areas. You were asked how many votes that constituted and you are dodging the question.

By the way, Clinton's negatives are far higher in 'flyover country' than Obamas. Oh well.

[MrCoffee]

6. ahem

[CreekDog]

66. No wonder you are so popular around here

:spray:

[berni_mccoy]

75. LOL! That's an awesome graphic!

[cali]

7. He's handling it well. He'll continue to handle it well

He does far better than Hillary in flyover country, where she's almost literally considered the devil. And thank goodness he doesn't wear a flag lapel- one of my pet peeves.

[Obamanaut]

20. Agreed. I don't like the flag pins, flags on cars, or the little yellow

ribbons (often made in China also) stuck on the backs of cars. It all just seems so phony to me.

[VotesForWomen]

109. he's 'handling it well' because he hasn't been called on it!!!! he will be. nt

[Occam Bandage]

8. Exactly as well as this flamebait thread will. Haven't y'all learned that race-baiting backfires?

[oasis]

18. He proudly wore that garb.He had a reasonable explanation for not wearing the American flag.

Where's the racism?

[Occam Bandage]

19. I hate when people play dumb.

[oasis]

39. Americans don't "play dumb" when it comes to displaying pride in their flag.

Now answer the question. If you can.

[Occam Bandage]

42. Which question?

[Arugula Latte]

9. Rightwing idiocy

[oasis]

21. Can Obama get around the "right wing idiocy"? A question that needs an answer

before he gets the nomination.

[pampango]

10. I don't know, but I live in fear that racists and bigots won't like our candidate.

:banghead:

[frazzled]

12. Hillary does not wear a flag pin and has been photographed in Muslim headwear

I have never noticed a flag pin on Senator Clinton's lapel during any of the 19 debates I have watched (it wouldn't look so great with her nice necklaces). And we have all seen the pictures of her covering her head in the Muslim fashion.

So why are either of these an issue for one candidate and not the other. Is it because Hillary is seen as more "American" than Obama?

[RaleighNCDUer]

31. You're right.

She certainly knows how to accessorize.

[oasis]

56. When Obama is asked the question in the general, he'll look silly if

he points a finger at Hillary. Think so?

[bunnies]

13. Who gives a flying fuck about a god damned flag pin.

Wearing wings doesnt make me the frigging tooth fairy any more than wearing a pin makes anyone a patriot.

[nancyr]

28. I agree totally.

I've always detested those stupid pins. As if wearing one proves a person is a patriotic person. To me they only prove that one is a right-wing loon.

[oasis]

30. The folks in "flyover country".

[RaleighNCDUer]

34. Like you know all about "flyover country".

People who KNOW "flyover country" don't call it "flyover country".

[oasis]

41. You know what I mean. I'm addressing the question to folks like you, not them.(eom)

[Occam Bandage]

43. Yeah. You display your ignorance of half the country.

[Fox Mulder]

112. One of the best posts I've read all day.

:thumbsup:

[HereSince1628]

15. I'll tell you...."Somali garb? Is that anyting like Abu Grab?"

No one out here gives a shit.
We have festivals that celebrate our ethnic roots.

Men, grown men, are known to run around in leather shorts.
Some also run around in plaid skirts.
I've seen dozens of grown men strap on feathers and dance.

No one out here is gonna care. It's a different region of the country that cares. The STUPID region.

[better tomorrow]

94. I'm a boomer and....

I can tell you that I will certainly be glad when I don't have to think that "the Greatest generation" was the "Greatest generation" (the WWII group) and I can start thinking that the young generation is going to be the greatest generation when they all show up at the polls.....after all, my generation (the Vietnam generation) faded into obscurity for some reason....hopefully, McCain will do the same.

[LoZoccolo]

23. I may disagree with oasis, but he is not a troll.

There have been many times where I have agreed with him and he has scored one. And yes, I do know the difference between oasis (little "o") and Oasis (big "o").

[oasis]

32. Thanks for vouching. Most seem afraid to address a question that will pop up.

Count on it.

[Occam Bandage]

33. I'm not at all afraid to address it. Rather, I hope the GOP tries to push this and push this hard.

[oasis]

71. Be careful what you wish for.(eom)

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

47. Really? But I Was SO Ready To Believe The Weeks Old Posters To The 21000+ post 6 Year Veteran!!!

Do you mean to tell me that these consistently flame baiting weeks to few months old posters might not know what they're talking about???? :wow:

[endarkenment]

81. Post is stupid flamebait regardless.

[Jersey Devil]

24. Here's a flag pin for your lapel

[oasis]

36. Tsk, tsk. Obama's inspirational messages seem to have missed their mark with

a few of his supporters.:wow:

[high density]

26. If somebody is supposedly going to change their vote based on wardrobe or jewelry

I have to wonder if we had their vote in the first place.

[LSK]

37. HOW WILL IT WORK IN FLYOVER COUNTRY????

Take a look:

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/primaries/results/scorecard/#D

Colorado
Georgia
Iowa
Nebraska
Kansas
Idaho
North Dakota
Missouri
Utah

Those "flyover states" dont have a problem.

[oasis]

51. Those "Democrats" voted before the "leak" of the pic. The general includes ALL American voters.

But then, you knew that.

[BadgerLaw2010]

120. If you think Obama can win most of those, you are smoking dope.

Zero won in 2004, and only three are competitive.

Keep drinking the Kool-Aid.

[RedEarth]

38. The people that are going to buy into that crap wouldn't have

voted for Obama or any other Democrat.

[Vinca]

40. If someone is so freaking stupid to base their vote on this baloney,

it doesn't matter. They'll vote against their own best interests. They'll "support the troops" and vote to keep the war going (even though the troops want out). A few weeks ago, I was talking to a person who is far, far away from being well off. I didn't know her political leanings at all, but went into my anti-war, anti-Bush, anti-Republican spiel anyway, wrapping up with an Obama stump speech. She told me she's leaning toward the Democrats, but her husband is going to vote for a Republican BECAUSE OF THE "DEATH" TAX. You really can't change a dumb person.

[cottonseed]

46. He'll handle it as it should be handled.

No triangulation, but an explanation.

[WillyT]

48. Then I Guess The People Will Deserve President John McCain, If They're That Stupid !!!

Democracy is a device that insures we shall
be governed no better than we deserve.

George Bernard Shaw

:shrug:

[MyNameGoesHere]

49. I am more concerned that MC hammer will sue him

for wearing his outfits.

[Leopolds Ghost]

103. MC Hammer back-up dancer is loose in a subdivision

He is frightened and tired... authorities are attempting to sedate him and find him a home.

--Conan O'Brien

[Mz Pip]

50. Mitt Romney

didn't wear a flag pin and none of his patriotic sons are serving in the war these idiots consider so noble.

Making a big deal about a lapel pin is beyond lame.

[better tomorrow]

96. no but John McCain's supporters are all wearing

baseball hats with the number 13 on them.

[jackson_dem]

52. They still don't get the lapel pin issue

It seems Obamites are either unaware of history or ignore it if it raises uncomfortable questions about the pie-in-the-sky campaign. One reason Dukakis, who was a "new" candidate of "change" who led by as many as 17 in pre-election trial heat polls, lost was he vetoed a pledge of allegiance bill.

The Somali thing is not an issue if he can finally put down the radical Muslim smear. If he can't then that photo will be everywhere as "proof".

[oasis]

83. The Obama faithful had better wake up. ""Wishin' and hopin'" won't get the job done.

Democrats can't afford to dodge the upcoming swiftboat storm.

[better tomorrow]

97. no, there are too many other photos of

Bush and HILLARY and other politicians wearing the garb that it won't be an issue because the same thing could be said about them....

It is like John McCain's Bush-hugging photo. It is there, it is a unifier, and then it goes away.

[Leopolds Ghost]

104. Somalis are radical Muslims?

I thought we hated them because they didn't have a government we
could bribe and infiltrate, so we declared them "terrorists" again.

[CyberPieHole]

53. Oh, Americans will love it. The RW won't use those pics and info against Obama...

Obama's campaign has reached across the aisle and now most RW voters also are Obama supporters and across the galaxies all E.T.'s are Obama supporters as well because Oprah and Obama and Michelle (who is not PROUD of America) are the ticket to the future.:eyes:

[oasis]

61. Rush, Hannity and the Rightwing talk shows will have Michelle's remarks and

Obama's "non-salute of the flag" front and center.

[CyberPieHole]

62. Oh, yeah! Obama has handed them a bevy of images from which to cull...

opposition research...to say nothing of the mysterious lapse Obama hints at in his book and which he referenced in last week's debate. I wonder what that lapse might have entailed? And I wonder if the RW will dig into it? If it's anything of the sort that we suspect they will use it to destroy him and our chances at victory come November.

[SOS]

64. The people who voluntarily listen to Rush and Hannity

would never vote for a Democrat anyway.

[oasis]

70. Rush and Hannity put the stuff out there. It becomes "water cooler" talk the next day.

I'm still hearing "Obama's a muslim" from folks who don't visit political websites.

[VolcanoJen]

54. Ya know who else doesn't wear a lapel pin? John McCain.

As much as we like to demonize Senator McCain around here, I just don't see him pressing that issue, personally.

[oasis]

74. McCain "wore" the uniform of our armed services. Do you really want to go there?

:eyes:

[mkultra]

55. thats easy.

Neither is really pertinent as a symbol so neither matters.


You lose twice.

[oasis]

77. Unfortunately, you are not the last word on what "matters" to the American public. (eom)

[mkultra]

108. somehow i think i will be in the majority though

and that is what matters

[dionysus]

57. you're resorting to this RW horseshit?

you guys have finally lost your minds

[oasis]

58. Call it "horseshit" if you will, but Obama will be required to address "issues" such

as this in the general election. Is he up to it?

[dionysus]

60. your bitterness is showing big time here.

you guys are almost out of talking points, out of everything. you've got nothing left... now just how low will you go?

[oasis]

65. "bitterness" Those who to guzzle the "sweet" Kool-Aid allow

themselves to fall into the dreamworld that see's nothing but roses for Obama.

I refuse to bury my head in the sand.

[Marie26]

67. It'll play fine.

People in "flyover country" are not idiots.

[Mass]

68. It will already forgotten for the latest scandal. It is the beauty of the thing. These things will

have been played to death and people will be on for the latest scandal (McCain's young girlfriends, if we can play the game).

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

69. Sweet Jesus!!!

We're going to lose the dumb-fuck vote.



But come to think of it, I don't think this guy was voting for us anyway.

[NoSheep]

72. He does a great job at reminding people that these issues are ridiculous.

It's just what we democrats need. A grown-up who can say: "I'm not even going to elevate this silliness to an argument." Here's the deal on this and now on to something more important.

[jillan]

76. It's already all over the internets and the main talk of the rww.

They are soooo ready for him.

The question is - Is Obama ready for them?

From what I have seen - I am worried.

[oasis]

78. Thaaaat's what I'm trying to explain to this bunch of blockheads.(eom)

[jillan]

79. They don't get it, they want to close their eyes to the truth.

I am having nitemares about the 2004 election all over again.

[Leopolds Ghost]

105. Your concern is duly noted.

[endarkenment]

80. Wow. Stunningly Stupid. Congratulations! nt.

[oasis]

82. Obama won't be "stupified" by questions concerning displays of patriotism.

He'll answer them all in his usual aloof manner. :woohoo:Gotta like that.

[endarkenment]

86. He will manage the turdball attacks just fine.

He's been doing so quite handily since Iowa. That is the one good thing about Clinton going negative is that it has sharpened Obama's firefightnig skills.

[better tomorrow]

84. I think there are enough videos out on YouTube now....

that show Hillary and Bush and others in the same kind of clothing.

Here's one in case you haven't seen them yet.....


http://youtube.com/watch?v=tmFZoojkA98

[CitizenRob]

87. Obama No US Flag Lapel Pin/ Republican No Troop Body Armor.

[oasis]

91. CitizenRob No Answer to the Question.

[CitizenRob]

111. That *IS* the answer. Don't respond, instead point out the REAL bad thing they are doing.

Wearing a flag lapel pin or not is nothing compared to denying the troops body armor in Iraq. That's how you deflect from yourself and make the Republican sorry they ever brought it up.

"Osama might be muslim" "Bush is best friends with the Saudi Royal family who paid for 9/11"

[CitizenRob]

113. Accusation/Response chains...

Accusation: "Obama and the democrats well be soft on the terrorists."
Response: "What about Bush holding hands with Saudi Royals who paid for the 9/11 hijackings? That seems pretty damn soft to me."


Accusation: "Obama well raise taxes."
Response: "At least he won't ship all of our jobs to Mexico, India, and China like the Republicans have."

and so on... when they make a claim about Obama just point out something they did worse. Simple.

[oasis]

114. Obama doesn't have the luxury of dodging questions as you have chosen to do.(eom)

[CitizenRob]

117. actually, that's not dodging, that's a serious answer to a ridiculous question.

I assure you, if he has a whole bunch of answers like that in his arsenal they'll stop asking him stupid attack questions becuase they won't want him to give the answers he is going to give.

[Umbram]

88. The cutting edge of stupidity. nt.

[Dollface]

89. I like my flag pin. I were it on Flag day, Veterans day, Memorial day and the 4th of July.

I had it before it was stylish and before it was mandatory to prove you aren't a commie/fascist/ terrorist/radical extremist

[oasis]

90. If you plan to run for president there are a lot of little things that you must do.

Displaying respect for the flag tops the list.

[Leopolds Ghost]

106. And kowtowing to RW Media definitions of "mainstream" acceptability.

Like Time's reporter complaining that Obama had not joined the Gang of 14 to limit judicial filibusters by Democrats, and was therefore not bipartisan enough to be president.

[better tomorrow]

92. too bad that you don't see flags flying outside houses anymore

or W stickers on the back of every minivan.....did I miss something in the past couple of year?

[GarbagemanLB]

93. HE NEEDS to wear a 'USA #1' hat and a flag t-shirt to PROVE he is patriotic!

what a joke.

[oasis]

98. Someone on this thread "needs' to answer the question that I put forward. If they can.

:eyes:

[better tomorrow]

99. I think it will just flyover....

[Occam Bandage]

102. It's been answered. Apparently you're fishing for a *particular* answer.

[oasis]

115. American voters will demand an answer. A satisfactory answer. (eom)

[endarkenment]

116. obviously.

This remains a stupid post, but as usual the days events in the GDP cesspool have knocked this early stupid post out of running for fookin stoopidest post o'the day.

[better tomorrow]

100. too bad cause all the hats are made in China now

[Leopolds Ghost]

107. And the black berets for Army soldiers that are intended to boost troop morale & patriotism

[Leopolds Ghost]

101. I don't know. Why don't you ask the thousands of Somali-Americans in Mpls, DC, NY?

I could introduce you to them sometime.

Ask the folks in the corner at Jumbo Slice on U Street...

Oh btw, they dislike Hillary because they are sexist (no joke).

But they hate Bush.

[nemo137]

118. We poor bastards in "flyover country" elected him to the senate.

Remember, he's the junior senator from the the great and flat state of Illinois.

[Recursion]

119. Err... the "flyover country" he's absolutely cleaning up in?

Hmm...

[anonymous171]

121. Hopefully an Obama presidency will mean an end to

materialistic Patriotism and bring forth an age of ACTUAL patriotism.