Have you ever in your life seen a Democratic campaign as dirty as Hillary Clinton's?

[LoZoccolo]

Poll question: Have you ever in your life seen a Democratic campaign as dirty as Hillary Clinton's?

Feel free to discuss dirtier campaigns in this thread.

[anamandujano]

1. Obama's is dirtier by far.

[Mme. Defarge]

11. How so?

Please be specific.

[anamandujano]

22. Race card, distorting issues, copying her on issues. He did a 180

on his talking to foreign leaders. Started off, he'll just talk with no reservations. At the last debate, turned on a dime and said he'd do exactly as Hillary had been saying all along, talk, but only with preparation of the ground.

He's always attacking her and whines like a baby if she dares to defend herself.

[stillcool]

48. I think the OP is talking about this:

Clinton Surrogate Compares Obama Ad to Nazi March
http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20080201/cm_thenation/45278988_1
Fri Feb 1, 2:23 PM ET
The Nation -- On a media conference call organized by the Hillary Clinton campaign today, Clinton surrogate Len Nichols compared an Obama health care ad to Nazis.
---------- Accusing political opponents of Nazism is an outrageous smear. Raising the specter of a Nazi march in response to a health care mailer that evokes the insurance industry is so absurd, it would be hard to take the attack seriously, were it not launched from a high profile national campaign conference call in this crucial stretch of the presidential race. And political observers know, of course, that the Clinton Campaign regularly arranges opportunities for surrogates to launch these kind of smears, which are later followed up with apologies. (See: Bob Johnson, Bill Shaheen, Bob Kerrey, and Francine Torge, to name the most recent offenders.) For his part, Nichols did not immediately return a call requesting further comment.
-------------------------
Len Nichols, Director of New America's Health Policy Program, stated, "For nearly 17 years I have worked tirelessly to reform our nation's struggling health system. Today my passion overwhelmed me. I chose an analogy that was wholly inappropriate. I am deeply sorry for any offense that my unfortunate comments may have caused.

Clinton adviser steps down after drug use comments
Earlier Thursday, Clinton personally apologized to rival Obama for Shaheen's remarks.
Obama accepted her apology, according to David Axelrod, the top political strategist for the Obama campaign.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/13/clinton.obama/index.html

January 6, 2008, 5:18 pm
Edwards: No Conscience in Clinton Campaign
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/06/edwards-no-conscience-in-clinton-campaign/
By Julie Bosman
KEENE, N.H. – John Edwards angrily took on Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton at two news conferences in a row on Sunday, saying that her campaign “doesn’t seem to have a conscience.”

COMPTON, Calif. (AP) — Hillary Rodham Clinton and her campaign tried to mend ties to black voters Thursday when a key supporter apologized to her chief rival, Barack Obama, for comments that hinted at Obama's drug use as a teenager. The candidate herself, meanwhile, praised the Rev. Martin Luther King and promised to assist with the rebirth of this troubled, largely black city.

Bob Johnson, the founder of Black Entertainment Television, apologized for comments he made at a Clinton campaign rally in South Carolina on Sunday that hinted at Obama's use of drugs as a teenager.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/election2008/2008-01-17-johnson-apology_N.htm?csp=34

December 10, 2007
Third Clinton Volunteer Knew Of Smear E-Mail

A third volunteer for Hillary Clinton's campaign was aware of a propaganda e-mail alleging that Barack Obama is a Muslim who plans on "destroying the U.S. from the inside out."

"Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential Candidacy," the email reads. "Please forward to everyone you know. The Muslims have said they Plan on destroying the U.S. from the inside out, what better way to start than at The highest level."

Two Clinton volunteers, Linda Olson and Judy Rose, have already been asked to resign from the campaign for their roles in forwarding the e-mail. The AP reported yesterday that Olson, a volunteer coordinator in Iowa County, sent a version of the e-mail to 11 people, including Ben Young, a regional field director for Chris Dodd's campaign. Young passed it on to the AP.
http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.com/archives/2007/12/third_clinton_v.html

Hillary: Sorry for Any Offense Campaign (Bill) Has Caused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB65wJ6Rcfs

Bill Clinton Asks for a Second Chance
By Liz Halloran
Posted February 11, 2008

The morning after his wife, Hillary, was routed in three state contests by Sen. Barack Obama in their dead-heat battle for the Democratic nomination, former President Bill Clinton made his case for her before a packed Sunday service at one of the largest black churches in Washington, D.C.
But first he offered an apology of sorts for racially tinged comments he made about Obama and his candidacy that have triggered a backlash in the black community and among many other Democrats.

Clinton invoked his "worship of a God of second chances" in pronouncing himself glad to be at the Temple of Praise, which claims nearly 15,000 members. His invocation of second chances echoed comments he made early last week at black churches in California, where he campaigned for his wife before that state's Super Tuesday primary, which she won.
http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/campaign-2008/2008/02/11/bill-clinton-asks-for-a-second-chance.html

Bill Clinton To Apologize At LA Black Churches
Once again, Bill Clinton is ready to repent.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/02/02/bill-clinton-to-apologize_n_84573.html
On Sunday the former president is scheduled to visit black churches in South Central Los Angeles, where he's expected to offer a mea culpa to those who "dearly loved him" when he was their president, Rep. Diane Watson (D-Calif.) says.

Watson, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus who has endorsed Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.), tells us she'll usher the former president to more than half a dozen churches in her district where she says he needs to "renew his relationship" with congregants who were turned off by his racially tinged comments in the days leading up to and following the South Carolina primary. (Such as when Clinton compared Sen. Barack Obama's landslide victory to Jesse Jackson's wins in 1984 and 1988.)

http://graphics.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/politics/20080112_nevada_lawsuit.pdf
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/01/17/a-feisty-bill-clinton-defends-nevada-lawsuit/
CLINTON ALLIES SUPPRESS THE VOTE IN NEVADA...
On Meet the Press on Sunday, Hillary Clinton said her campaign had nothing to do with a lawsuit--written about by Nation Editor Katrina vanden Heuvel--that threatens to prevent thousands of workers from voting in the Nevada caucus on Saturday.
Back in March, the Nevada Democratic Party agreed to set up caucus locations on the Vegas strip for low-income shift workers, many of them members of the state's influential Culinary Union, who commute long distances to work and wouldn't be able to get home in time to caucus. It was an uncontroversial idea until the Culinary Union endorsed Barack Obama and the Nevada State Education Association, whose top officials support Clinton, sued to shut down the caucus sites.
The Clinton camp played dumb until yesterday, when President Clinton came out in favor of the lawsuit.
Clinton's comments drew a heated response from D. Taylor, the head of Nevada's Culinary Union, on MSNBC's Hardball. "He is in support of disenfranchising thousands upon thousands of workers, not even just our members," Taylor said of Clinton. "The teachers union is just being used here. We understand that This is the Clinton campaign. They tried to disenfranchise students in Iowa. Now they're trying to disenfranchise people here in Nevada, who are union members and people of color and women."
Rank-and-file members of Nevada's teachers union also come out against the lawsuit filed by their leadership. "We never thought our union and Senator Clinton would put politics ahead of what's right for our students, but that's exactly what they're doing," the letter stated. "As teachers, and proud Democrats, we hope they will drop this undemocratic lawsuit and help all Nevadans caucus, no matter which candidate they support."
The lawsuit's opponents make a persuasive point. Creating obstacles to voting is what the GOP does to Democrats, not what Democrats should be doing to other Democrats.

[BzaDem]

86. Give me a break.

Most of that stuff isn't even from the official Clinton campaign. Democratic elections have been far dirtier in the past.

[stillcool]

93. "sorry"

[stillcool]

96. I'll give you a break...

but not the Clinton Campaign. If you have no problem with these tactics, that's cool, it's who you are. I don't like it when anybody pulls shit like this...regardless of who is doing it, or who has done it before.

[anamandujano]

87. All tidily written up by the MSM. Too bad they haven't called Obama on

any of his sh*t and magnified it, YET! :)

Obama's nasty campaign before S. Carolina could have had a book written on it. Maybe someday it will.

I think the Obama campaign is looking for volunteers here in Texas, yes? Got to wonder what kind of trouble I could start if I wanted.

BTW--People often reference Hitler when their making an argument. I've had to catch myself a few times. Will Smith has recently stepped in it himself by saying that when Hitler got up in the morning, he really wasn't planning on being a bad guy, he thought he was doing the right thing, or words to that effect. He had to spend a lot of time explaining that one away himself.

How about the Obama supporter here at DU talking about Hillary's campaign "lynching" Obama. That's ok though. I wonder if it's been locked yet.

[stillcool]

94. "Sorry"

I don't really pay much attention to opinions of posters here. However, I really dislike when anyone attempts to distort facts. I urge you to click on the links and read all the words as they appear on the page.

[BzaDem]

85. Wrong place.

Edit

[SayitAintSo]

97. Playing the race card over, and Over, and OVER again....and AGAIN

He has unleashed his surrogates to do this and it is SHAMEFUL. And believe me, it will backfire on him... Already has started...I have heard his surrogates claim racism, race-baiting for the STUPIDIST things.

[UALRBSofL]

12. The campaign that's dirtier then Hillary's

Is Obama's "CHANGE" campaign.

[anamandujano]

23. He needs his diaper changed.

[Forkboy]

76. Projection.

[BringBigDogBack]

79. I think I found the idiot in the room.

You need to open your fucking eyes, brother/sister.

[anamandujano]

88. You need to open your f'ing brain but I won't hold my breath.

[bigtree]

2. Her campaign doesn't come close to the sleaze promoted here

. . . supposedly, on behalf of her rival.

THIS poll is sleaze.

[Occam Bandage]

3. Hint: DU is not the real world.

[bigtree]

24. I'm surprised to hear you admit this. You act as if it is.

If I thought, for one minute, the crap that flies around here represents the Obama campaign . . .

[Occam Bandage]

26. What do you mean?

[rodeodance]

32. Yes. this poll is sleazy slim.

[Taverner]

4. Come the fuck ON! I'm an Obama supporter but wasn't W's campaign dirtier?

Both 2000 and 2004?

AFAIK, Hillary hasn't accused Obama of fathering illegitimate children
She hasn't accused Obama of gunning down unarmed Vietnamese Children
She hasn't broken into her own offices the night before a primary, and tried to make it look like Obama...

Snarky, yes
Desperate, yes
Dirty, not really...

[LoZoccolo]

7. This poll is limited to Democratic campaigns. n/t

[Taverner]

9. OK...then I submit to you the nasty Gray Davis vs Dianne Feinstein Campagins

Want dirty? Both of those jokers are covered in mud...

[MagsDem]

18. Yeah, but you're still about 4 million people short

Obama. McClurkin. 4 million loyal dem, GLBT voters. Under the bus. Top that one.

[Taverner]

28. Um, thats not even a blip on the radar

Sorry. that's not dirty - that's called reaching out.

Has Obama really thrown the GLBT voters under the bus? really? If you think he has, then you have no business in politics. Consider watching a non-contact sport like, um, thumb wrestling.

Did you know Clinton once had LUNCH with Rupert Murdoch???? She also met with Roger Ailes once! Does that make her guilty of throwing all of the progressives under the bus? Of course not.

Did Obama ever say anything homophobic? I seem to remember him coming up with the only solution that pleases all sides in the Gay Marriage issue, and that is making all marriages, gay or straight, as civil unions. I like that because I don't like the government having ANYTHING to do with religion.

[jlake]

43. Yes, he really has.

[Taverner]

45. Then post them

[jlake]

47. He threw all GLBTQ Americans under the bus.

He refused to apologize for McClurkin - thereby tacitly endorsing his opinions.
You are either confused or intentionally distorting Obama's position on civil unions for all.
And he wants to give "a basic set of rights" to GLBTQ Americans. What is "a" "basic set" supposed to mean?
What is wrong with the same rights everyone else enjoys?
Do you think blacks should have "a basic set of rights"?

[MagsDem]

14. Yeah, but he only threw one person under the bus each time....Obama

threw about 4 million GLBT voters under the bus with the McClurkin slime. Damn, that was worse then Reagan's campaign winks and nods to racists in the south when he ran. Hell of a lot more overt, that's for sure.

[MNDemNY]

5. When your only 12 years old, hoe could you have?

[NeedleCast]

6. Hahaha, easily

Hell, I'm an Obama supporter and to pretend this campaign has been dirty is just silly. This has been, for the most part, a very clean campaign vice the things that get blown all out of proportion here on DU.

[CoffeeCat]

8. Magnifying her dirty tactics...

...is her willingness to do this to a fellow Democrat.

[anamandujano]

13. His distortions of her and Bill's words to play the race card is the

lowest of the low. BTW, she is a democrat.

[CoffeeCat]

74. Bill and Hillary did a fine job of playing the race card...

Obama never did.

Your gal Hillary was the complete fool who suggested that it was a "President" who
made civil-rights legislation happen, thereby downplaying Martin Luther King's role
in the civil-rights movement.

What an idiot Hillary was. In an attempt to illustrate her point that it takes more
than inspiration to get things done--it takes a seasoned President, and someone with
experience--she ended up with her foot in her mouth just days before the South
Carolina primary.

Obama never brought up race. Hillary did. Hillary stepped in and touched off a firestorm
in the African American community.

Obama never distorted her words. Hillary blundered big time. Her words spoke for themselves.
Obama didn't need to distort her words. Her initial comments were enough to sink her like
a stone.

Many Americans, including people of all races--were disgusted with Hillary's and Bill's
own words...right down to the "Jesse Jackson won in South Carolina too" remark.

Please don't blame Obama for Bill and Hillary's crass remarks and poor judgment.

[anamandujano]

84. If it weren't for LBJ, King would still be marching. LBJ gave up the

south for this legislation. He did it because he knew it was right. King had zip power to sign any bill into law.

Was the mere mention of Dr. King's name racist?

Then Jesse Jackson's son started calling up images of Katrina and saying that Hillary never cried for them, as if the dipsh*t was with her at the time.

MSM whooped everyone into a frenzy. Mr. uniter-leader sat on his @ss and let it all work to his benefit. That is playing the race card.

[CoffeeCat]

92. You admit it yourself that Obama did nothing.

By your own admission, Hillary lit the match.

Obama said nothing or as you said, he "sat on his ass and let it all work to his benefit."

Obama did nothing. Hillary is the one who started it and we agree on that.

You can make arguments all day long--like Hillary did--about Dr. King's role in the civil
rights movement and compare him with LBJ. You might be right. That's not the point. The point is that she
diminished King's role in the civil-rights movement and it was a really stupid move. I've actually
never heard anyone downplay King's role in the civil-rights movement, while propping up LBJ.
I've always heard people pay value to both of their roles.

I think it was a serious blunder for her to do that...so close to the South Carolina primary.
She was ahead in SC, by 25+ points, and she ended up losing by 20. What she said, if you're
judging by the success of her campaign--was not smart.

And seriously, admitting that Obama did nothing but allow this all to play out--and then
saying he "played the race card" is a bit bizarre.

Hillary did the damage to herself and Obama stepped back while the firestorm ensued.

He did not play the race card.

[MagsDem]

10. Yes, Obama won king of the dirt with McClurkin, hands down

You really can't get more craven than to say you support GLBT rights, then turn around and hand a homophobic bigot a mike for 30 min, then watch him vilify GLBT people on a national stage for 30 min, simply to get votes. Does it get more scummier than that? I sure as hell hope not.

[flyarm]

15. in my almost 57 years..i have never seen one as dirty as Obama's or cheating as obama's

other than karl rove and the Bushies!

fly a 2004 elected dem delegate

[onehandle]

16. John F. Kennedy's was the dirtiest Presidential campaign in my lifetime.

And no, I'm not attacking him. I wish to God he could have served his two full terms.

And then RFK for two after that.

[UALRBSofL]

25. onehandle, what exactly do you mean by Kennedy's was the dirtiest?

I havn't heard anything like this before. Would you mind telling me some of the dirt your talking about? I'm not trying to be mean, but, am just curious because I don't remember anything about the dirt.

[jgraz]

17. Sorry, I lived in Rostenkowski's district during the 90s

Hillary's not even in the same league.

[shaniqua6392]

19. Neither Clinton nor Obama have fought dirty.

You are getting upset at a few minor skirmishes?? Grow up already. They have both been relatively civil and mature. But this is politics, after all. Quit criticizing OUR Democrats. Some of us are proud of both of them and don't appreciate your insults.

[anamandujano]

29. So you agree then that the MSM characterization of Hillary's campaign as dirty is unfair.

They've been saying she is running a dirty campaign and all the Obama supporters pile on.

[shaniqua6392]

66. I think the MSM has had it in for Clinton from the start.

I do not think she has run a particularly dirty campaign. I think they have both lashed out at their competitor. I think they have given Obama a free pass. I think they have chosen our next President for us. I would have liked to see much more scrutiny given to Obama during the primary season because I fear that the MSM will turn on him later and something will come out to damage him and the party. I think that those who have endorsed him will receive great benefits in the future. I hope they are right in that he will do a good job for the country if he is the nominee. The way people worship him is scary and dangerous. Why would we hand the most important job in the country to someone who gives us all the fluff with no substance? Only time will tell.

[murbley40]

20. Obama's !

[sandnsea]

21. The voter suppression alone is shocking

Add the injection of bigotry and it's hard to imagine a Democrat being any dirtier.

[flowomo]

27. Most Americans see it as WAY more positive than '04...

Sure, this talks about "negative" rather than "dirty" -- and includes both D's and R's... but this new Pew study suggests the average voter doesn't see this one as so bad:

(snip)
The public remains highly engaged in the presidential campaign, and strong majorities say the campaign is important, easy to follow, interesting and informative. The public's only major complaint about the campaign is its length: 57% say it is too long, while 40% disagree. However, campaign fatigue has not increased in recent months. If anything, the public is less concerned about the length of the campaign now than was the case last fall. In October, 66% said the campaign was too long, and 28% said it was not.

Relatively few Americans (28%) say the campaign has been too negative thus far. Two-thirds (66%) say it has not been too negative. By comparison, nearly half of the public found the campaign to be too negative at a comparable point in the 2004 election. In March 2004, 47% of Americans said the presidential campaign had been too negative, while 47% said it had not been too negative. By the fall of 2004, a solid majority of voters (57%) said the campaign was too negative.
(snip)

http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=396

[MonkeyFunk]

30. Anybody who seriously believes

this has been an especially ugly campaign is just plain ignorant.

[Marrah_G]

31. Niether Hillary or Obama are running dirty campaigns. There have been minor issues with BOTH camps

[mtnsnake]

33. Why do you continue to post some of the most ignorant, hateful, & divisive shit on this forum?

Is it because you're not really on our side or what?

[LoZoccolo]

36. OK, I admit it.

I am not on Hillary's side. You caught me.

[Marrah_G]

46. But why behave in such a nasty manner to other Duers?

Your posts are mean and divisive and frankly I don't get why you have to act like that.

If that's just who you are, please say so , so I can avoid you from now on.

[LoZoccolo]

52. I am allowing DUers to call out Hillary's campaign as being mean and divisive. Or not.

Frankly I've seen a lot of things that I don't like, and I want people to look at themselves and ask themselves if they want to be a part of it or not.

[Marrah_G]

53. Okay then - I suppose i will be avoiding you from now on then.

Because frankly I cannot stomach these types of threads any longer and don't wish to have anything to do with those of you perpetuating the hate.

[emilyg]

60. You don't have to be on Hillary's side

to act maturely.

[LoZoccolo]

65. You are accusing me of much the same thing that I am accusing Hillary's campaign of doing. n/t

[maddiejoan]

34. I've seen a dirtier one

Obama's

[rodeodance]

38. ;-)

[LoZoccolo]

39. Does your wink indicate that you are participating in the divisiveness?

Hillary is losing! Ha ha ha ha!

[rodeodance]

51. more wet dreams.

[rodeodance]

35. and yet another divsive poll from the UNITY folks!!

[MyNameGoesHere]

37. Not even close

1884 This race for the presidency produced two of the most infamous slogans in political history. One came from a Catholic-bashing Protestant minister who dubbed the Democrats the party of "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion." The other one emerged after the Democrats' candidate, New York Gov. Grover Cleveland, was accused of fathering an illegitimate child: Supporters of Republican James Blaine taunted, "Ma, ma, where's my pa? Gone to the White House, ha ha ha!" Cleveland had the last laugh: He did go to the White House.

then there are stories of actual fist fights during caucuses. So o it's actually pretty tame.

[sandnsea]

55. You saw that??

Wow. You must be a miracle of modern medicine or something.

[MyNameGoesHere]

58. Never said i saw it. I guess you are adept

into reading into things that are not there. Must be a miracle of modern medicine or maybe "he" told you to act like an ass? Who knows.

[sandnsea]

68. "ever in your life seen"

I'm just pointing you to the actual question asked.

[MyNameGoesHere]

70. Oh you got me. Since i did not see it it must not have happened.

I am glad you stick so closely to the spirit of the discussion and point out my frivolous error.

[sandnsea]

71. Times change

Kennedy said some things that would be considered a little out there in today's terms. That's why a 100+ year old campaign is not relevant and ignoring the spirit of the question is not frivolous.

[DemGa]

40. Barack Obama -- the dirtiest.......nt

[jlake]

41. Is this a trick question? Of course! Obama's is pure gutter politics

What else would you expect from a dirty Chicago politician and his crew?

[murielm99]

67. Exactly. This is Chicago-style politics,

with the edges polished down just enough to fool the rest of the country.

It makes me laugh. I have seen people come in here and excoriate Rahm Emmanuel, not even realizing that he and Obama are cut from the same cloth. And don't scream and kick at me about the DLC. I know a Chicago pol when I see one.

The funniest thing about this is that Obama will almost certainly forget one of the most important things about his Chicago roots: reciprocity. If a Chicago alderman or other pol asks for a favor from a constituent, he gives something back. It does not have to be something illegal. It can be a job recommendation, help getting a relative through the maze of the court system, or something else.

For example, my daughter took a civil service test and scored very high. Her Spanish speaking skills would have enhanced her chances to get a job she sought, but her application was sitting on a desk somewhere.

I asked someone who was a pol here to write a letter to a pol there to see what happened to her application. We did not ask for anything illegal, we merely wanted information. The person who wrote the letter mentioned to the Chicago person that her family is a hardworking group of grassroots Democrats. As it turned out, my daughter found another job in the meantime.

I don't think Obama will remember his old friends who helped him in the past. He will decide he is too good for us.

[LSdemocrat]

42. Hillary's "attacks" will feel like foreplay compared to what he'll face in the general election

[cboy4]

44. If flame bait LoZoccolo posts were nickels, we could pay

off the national debt and still have a surplus.

[jillan]

49. Hell yes - Dukakis v Biden '88

Campaign staffer of Dukakis (Sasso) started plagiarizing charge against Biden for Biden forgetting
1 time to credit source (funny how things change).
Sasso gave tape to Maureen Dickowd and the rest was history.

Funny how Dukakis LOST that election, isn't it - and gave us Daddy instead:puke:

[SoxFan]

63. And guess who Sasso supports

http://boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2007/12/22/why_clinton_will_prevail/

[rinsd]

78. You can throw in Gore & WIllie Horton too to 88.

[juajen]

50. All polls like this show is that there are more Obama supporters

on DU than Hillary supporters. Ridiculous!

[Lisa0825]

54. Yes... Texas Gubernatorial primary Mattox vs Richards.

Mattox was a filthy pig about it, and as a young person just getting involved, it really pushed me away from political activity because it made me so angry to see someone supposedly a fellow party member sink to such depths against a damn good woman like Ann!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

56. I would say that Karl Rove's has been a lot dirtier

[closeupready]

57. No, I haven't. And I used to support her strongly over Obama.

Not even 4 months ago. She is really wallowing in the mud, and it sickens me.

[emilyg]

59. What a sh*t poll.

[Independent-Voter]

61. Maybe not the dirtiest, but damn near the most incompetent. She's a fucking trainwreck

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

62. Sure.

From the dixiecrats.

[Freddie Stubbs]

64. 1977: "Vote for Cuomo, not the homo," in reference to Ed Koch

Cuomo's campaign denied any responsibility for the placards and posters.

[SeaLyons]

69. Yes, Obama's

I haven't seen anything dirty coming from the Clinton camp....only from the Obama camp.

[Perry Logan]

72. Stark proof that overuse of the "Ignore" option can seriously impair your judgment.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

73. I've never seen one that would qualify as dignified or a love in.

"Getting into politics is like stepping into dogshit." - Line from "The Motorcycle Diaries"

[SunnyDays]

75. Yes. Obama's... Jamal McCoy--Did Obama Abuse Race?

Read the whole thing...PS--he's black.

http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=123

snip

Now, for the larger argument, for those who still cannot come to grasps, or cannot cognitively compute, the way Obama uses race in his appeal to voters.

I enjoin you to find the category “white” in Obama’s “People” menu. To tell me, where and how a “white” like Hillary, can place her “white” category on her campaign website, to mirror her and Obama’s inclusion of the African-American category? Find me the last time Hillary said in a speech, “as a White, my story is your story.” Tell me, why Obama can keep the quote I cite (right above) on his website, after having said he personally hadn’t authorized the attacks his campaign carried out against Hillary for her Johnson remark? I ask critical readers to tell me, how our country’s liberal media can get away saying Obama does not mention, or use race to his political advantage, when his campaign has made it all but impossible for Hillary to so much as attempt to state the obvious fact, that she and her husband have a great deal more history delivering for blacks, than Obama could ever chalk-up doing Chicago community work or playing hooky in Springfield!

With absolutely nothing to offer blacks in terms of policies, Obama charms them with vulgar identity politics. Oftentimes directly, generally by using the verbal gymnastics of religion, and civil rights. The media play not only the part of facilitator, but of prosecutor and judge. It is hardly a coincidence, that since the Johnson remark, Hillary’s commanding lead with blacks dissolved, and along with it went her general vote.

Only a pathological liar, could claim Obama’s seeming victory has nothing to do with the role of race in this presidential primary specifically, and American society in general. Nothing to do with the pathological liar who benefited from these political dirty games, and is now proclaiming himself victor with gusto and conviction?

Only a total idiot, could say that this abuse is good for America. It may be a useful political tool, but to think that it can be used to unify and reconcile our society, amounts to intellectual decadence.

***

[anamandujano]

89. "Obama charms them with vulgar identity politics." Great read.

I'm going to check out that website also, thanks.

"Only a total idiot, could say that this abuse is good for America. It may be a useful political tool, but to think that it can be used to unify and reconcile our society, amounts to intellectual decadence."

That says it all.

[rinsd]

77. Gore run in 88 was tough.

In NJ, the 2nd coming of Florio was a tough one.

In CA, Gray Davis 2nd term run was pretty rough.

[VotesForWomen]

80. well, keep in mind that most O supporters are barely old enough to drink. nt

[okasha]

95. . . .out of a glass.

n/t

[VotesForWomen]

81. yes, yours. look in the mirror. nt

[Beacool]

82. How old are the, so far, 88 of you who voted yes?????

Are you even old enough to vote???? For anybody to say that this is the dirtiest campaign tactics you've seen in your lifetime you must be less than 8 years old!!!!!!!!

Anybody heard of the Republican campaign dirty tactics?

Please, the nonsense in this place keeps reaching further heights!!!!!!

:crazy:

[LoZoccolo]

83. The question is limited to Democratic campaigns. n/t

[aquarius dawning]

90. You think this is dirty? What a fucking cry baby. Wait until the Republican Machine is done with him

Hillary has been very nice to him compared to the smear campaign he can expect if he wins the nomination.

[anamandujano]

91. ...

:popcorn:

[anonymous171]

98. They were pretty dirty.

But I will withhold judgment until the end.

[izzybeans]

99. No I am shocked at how dirty her campaign has become.

Very republican-like. Very disappointing.