Obama Comedown Syndrome

[GoldieAZ49]

Once Hillary is out of the race, get ready because the Clinton attacks will be longed for in short order.


google shows a whole list of links

this is the NYT

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/opinion/19brooks.html...

When the magic fades
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Up until now The Chosen One’s speeches had seemed to them less like stretches of words and more like soul sensations that transcended time and space. But those in the grips of Obama Comedown Syndrome began to wonder if His stuff actually made sense. For example, His Hopeness tells rallies that we are the change we have been waiting for, but if we are the change we have been waiting for then why have we been waiting since we’ve been here all along?

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Obama says he is practicing a new kind of politics, but why has his PAC sloshed $698,000 to the campaigns of the superdelegates, according to the Center for Responsive Politics? Is giving Robert Byrd’s campaign $10,000 the kind of change we can believe in?

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These doubts lead O.C.S. sufferers down the path to the question that is the Unholy of the Unholies for Obama-maniacs: How exactly would all this unity he talks about come to pass?

How is a 47-year-old novice going to unify highly polarized 70-something committee chairs? What will happen if the nation’s 261,000 lobbyists don’t see the light, even after the laying on of hands? Does The Changemaker have the guts to take on the special interests in his own party — the trial lawyers, the teachers’ unions, the AARP?

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The victims of O.C.S. struggle against Obama-myopia, or the inability to see beyond Election Day. But here’s the fascinating thing: They still like him. They know that most of his hope-mongering is vaporous. They know that he knows it’s vaporous.

[tabatha]

1. Brooks???

He sounds like Clinton.

[Renew Deal]

7. The Clinton crowd has been pushing this article for a week.

Not working out for them so far.

[cali]

2. Obama is far better at handling attacks than Hilll

He's getting good practice now, and he'll fight like hell against McCain. He knows just where to slip the knife.

[Taverner]

4. His comments about his lack of patriotism sold me that hes a fighter

Forget the exact quote, but basically he fought back.

[jlake]

21. Yeah, but why create issues that don't need to be fought....he hands the RW

material.

[democrattotheend]

34. So we should just keep letting them define patriotism?

And keep letting them smear our candidates as unpatriotic for one reason or another?

I know you are a Clinton supporter, but regardless of who your candidate is, I think we should all be proud of Obama for challenging their definition of patriotism, something Democrats have not had the courage to do since 9/11.

If Hillary were in the same situation and gave the same response, I'd be proud of her.

[dazzlerazzle]

12. Obama handling attacks

When they bring up experience or how he would handle the war, he should come back with something like: "I'll tell you what I won't be doing, that is running all over the country in Air Force One, going to fund raisers for people running for office while a war or a serious disaster is going on."

[tabasco]

13. That's a good idea.

Belated welcome to DU!

[elixir]

24. He hasn't been attacked so how would you know? HRC hasn't touched him.

[cali]

26. oh yeah, right. hilly didn't go on TV and attack him as rovian

she didn't compare him to bush yesterday. your post is an odiferous heap of fecal matter.

[Recursion]

36. LOL

We really do live in different worlds

:eyes:

[ellisonz]

42. So hypothetically (and I know your candidate doesn't deal in them), what would be "touching" him?

[SteppingRazor]

3. Yeah, cause David Brooks really has his finger on the pulse of the Democratic electorate.

:eyes:

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

5. Wow, I must just be stupid or deluded!

Because that's the only reason I would support Obama, right? :eyes:

[Aviation Pro]

6. I freaking....

...can't stand anything that David Brooks, that effiminate snob, writes. However, I will concede his point: when it's a choice between lucre and change just where do you think the special interests will go?

[susankh4]

8. The Brits are calling it the "Barack-lash"

They seem to be quite entertained by the US electoral process at this moment. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article3428110.ece

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/dominic-lawson/dominic-lawson-obama-must-beware-of-turning-into-a-cult-787298.html

They are apparently hoping it comes sooner, than later. I mean, U.S. foreign policy is not really a laughing matter for them.

[cali]

14. let's see, Rupie's flagship paper and the independent

not exactly representative of british public opinion- which supports Obama over hilly. and guess what? he's gaining in the polls. If that's backlash, I want to see more of it.

[GoldieAZ49]

27. anything not worshipping Obama is ignored

some very interesting articles you post, when the tide turns in the MSM there will be wailing and nashing of teeth

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Obama has a stock line which seems to play straight into the notion that he is an instrument of the divine. To a number of audiences, he has declared: "My job is be so persuasive that if there's anybody left out there who is still not sure whether they will vote, or is still not clear who they will vote for, that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down on you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realise that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama."

To be fair to Obama, this is said in a manner which just leaves open the idea that he is not being entirely serious. Yet I don't believe that those applauding this riff see it as elevated irony – and it is slightly creepy even as a joke. Perhaps it isn't a joke at all, but completely sincere: Obama's speeches are studded with religious rhetoric. For example, last October he told an audience of 4,000 that he hoped to be "an instrument of God" and that "I am confident that we can create a Kingdom right here on Earth".

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It is interesting that this seems to have been an unmitigated benefit. Not only has Obama successfully made an appeal to Republicans who viewed other Democrats as godless, but the Left has, by and large, ignored its scruples and refused to criticise its candidate's studied use of specifically Christian language and imagery. As a result, Obama has got away with claims to metaphysical virtue which would have been denounced as medievally idiotic presumption, had they been uttered by a Republican candidate.

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I think Barack Obama understands this risk. For all the fever of his rallies, his own oratorical style never descends into ranting, still less foam-flecked hysteria. Yet the frenzy he has engendered contains within it the seeds of bitter disappointment, or even tragedy. There is the question of his own physical safety. Less morbidly, what will be the reaction of his supporters if he should fail to be elected President? Perhaps most troubling of all, what will be their reaction if he is elected, but the celestial choirs fail to appear and the world refuses to be perfect?

[intaglio]

43. Dominic Lawson

Who looks like (and speaks) like a clone of his father Nigel Lawson (Tory chancellor under Thatcher)

I read that this morning and had to laugh - but at least the Indie does allow people from both sides to speak. Oh and for how wrong a collumnist in the indie is allowed to be check out this item from Bruce "the Brute" Anderson

http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/commentators/bruce-anderson/bruce-anderson-my-prediction-in-the-race-for-the-white-house-romney-will-beat-clinton-to-the-presidency-767445.html

Bruce Anderson: My prediction in the race for the White House... Romney will beat Clinton to the presidency

Hillary was always cold, egotistical and ruthless, but her good qualities have receded with age

But everyone is allowed 1 mistake or in Anderson's case all mistakes

[John Q. Citizen]

9. Brooks? Yeah sure, right. i'm sooo scared of Brooks.

[anamandujano]

20. It wasn't long ago that Brooks was complimenting him, calling him

eloquent and saying other nice things while serenely smiling (reported to me by my Obama supporter friend.)

[thevoiceofreason]

10. Why are you bringing this weak old (and week-old) piece back up?

Hillary Clinton new campaign slogan -- "I got nothing."

[emilyg]

29. I haven't seen it before.

[thevoiceofreason]

30. Oh, it was out here all right. About 10 threads on it a week aog.

Not mad, just wondering.

[here_is_to_hope]

35. With 1300 posts in 32 days, maybe she ran out of things to say? n/t

[thevoiceofreason]

38. Heh heh heh

[blonndee]

11. David Brooks?

You agree with David Brooks? :rofl: Why am I not suprised?

[2rth2pwr]

15. I love the people who answer with "Brooks? r u serious?"

None of them address any of the points made. Typical content free bloviating from the Obamatrons.

[Mass]

17. Because he has a point? Brooks and MoDo are just clowns.

And surprisingly the latest tool for the Clinton supporters. Until they will start to attack her, of course...

[GoldieAZ49]

25. They are still infatuated and living in the primary bubble

They will have plenty of time and many bursts of the bubble in the coming months

[Forkboy]

41. Anyone listening to those fucks is an idiot.

Brooks hasn't made a good point in his life. You guys also foisted a Kristol article yesterday and supported him too. I don't like Obama but some of you are acting like toadies to these assclowns.

[Mass]

16. David Brooks? Well, for sure that is a reference...

[dionysus]

18. dupe from last week, go peddle brooks' lies elsewhere...

[CyberPieHole]

19. Oh, no...it can't happen the RW loves Obama. They would never turn against him.

:sarcasm:

[suston96]

22. New politics? The last person I heard talk like that was George McGovern in 1972.

He drove me to vote for Nixon-Agnew.........Yeah, I know, I know......

Then there is this: http://www.wpunj.edu/newpol/default.htm

[BenDavid]

23. Once the candidates are chosen then the barack o meter will

begin going backwards. Why? Because folks will begin paying attention to what the hell is happening in the real world.McCain will make this obvious and paint obama as inexperienced and maybe run an ad showing obama himself saying he did not have the experience to be president.

What is going to be hard for obama is to get the clinton supporters to all of a sudden decide to go with him. I predict this will not happen.I would say there will be only about 22.5% of hrc supporters that will throw their lot behind obama. The rest will either make a choice to sit this out or in teh case of the 55 and above age group they will go over to McCain.

When you obama folks go after either clinton we do not like it. When you obama folks go after the clintons like the republicans with all their name calling and contempt then WE REALLY DO NOT LIKE IT....We like the Clintons and we have tried to like obama but there is nothing there....So, do not be surprised there will be another republican in the white house.

[Zodiak]

28. Well, there's ten minutes of my life I won't get back

Not only is that a shameless hit-piece by a conservative (funny how Hillary supporters are always saying that the Obamites use freeper tactics), but it is an incredibly unprofessional piece. Ad hominems galore.

I do not appreciate this kind of tripe finding its way onto DU. Just yesterday the Hillary people were screaming about Matt Drudge not being a usable source because he is a conservative. Why is this piece any different?

[GoldieAZ49]

31. You are not going to get any minutes of your life back

I have never been a Hillary supporter

I voted for O on Feb 5th

I don't care if you don't like the writer, the USA doesn't live in the democratic bubble that you do, this and many more articles shining light on Obama's weaknesses.

By this time next week no one will be able to say anything that does not praise Obama and his movement, other than outrage that the media or the RW will expect more substance than hopeful change.

I know dismissing the rest of the USA and what they are reading has worked so well in the past for the dem party, that is why you had a President Kerry...oh, wait...that didn't happen.

It was explained here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x4772106

[Zodiak]

44. I have the author of that thread on ignore..."griefing" was the offense, most likely

You have no idea under what conditions I live my life...not all of us are liberal "elitists" as your article so eloquently puts it. Logical fallacy. I happen to be a Texas-style populist in the tradition of Jm Hightower. Also, you are here on DU as well, so if you are arguing that my presence here puts me into a some kind of myopic bubble...you are in it, as well. So welcome to the fish bowl. Tautology.

As I stated before, the worst this article has to deliver are ad hominem attacks, which automatically discounts the credibility of the author and betrays a serious bias. These kinds of articles do not make any impact other than to satisfy audiences who have already made up their minds. The only "fact" brought up is the one about money given to superdelegates, a practice in which both Democratic candidates have engaged.

But it is a well-known conservative writer's work (and not even a sincere one), and what is quoted here is lacking in substance, which means that its presence here is only to stir the pot. Not only that, but it is an attack from the right...this type of posting has been discussed on this site ad nauseum as "not a cool thing to do". It pisses people off because it reeks of "concern trolling".

I fail to see how not discussing right-wing articles full of ad hominem attacks on democratic message boards led directly to Kerry's loss in 2004. If you cannot demonstrate such a thing, I would say that that last line of yours is a complete non-sequitir.

Man, GDP has turned into a pit. Very few OPs these days seem to have honesty and substance any more. Even fewer have the debating skills to argue their way out of a paper bag.

[Why Syzygy]

32. I've never had stars in my eyes,

swooned or carried on about Obama. I'm going with him now because he is the best of the choice.
That is all.

[ginantonic40]

33. I sure glad

folks keep posting all these warning and analysis from the Brooks, Kristols, et.al of the world. Cuz ya know they have been so prescient in the last few years that it is hard to say what dire straits we'd be in without their guidence.

[truedelphi]

37. You know - he is running for office.

And I think he is doing a good job.

You wanna run on the positive, and you wanna be a bit oblique. Outline things too carefully and someone is gonna say, Well on page 3456 of your National Health Plan, you mention chemotherapy for Condition X and it has been two years since we have used that therrapy for that condition.

Then the candidate gets callled out on the rug over it.

I also think that since so many Repugs are abandonning the sinking Bush ship in droves, it may not be impossible to see them willing to work things out with Obama.

[GarbagemanLB]

39. Another Hillbot posting a right-wing hit piece .Is this all they've got? Pathetic.

[Forkboy]

40. Kristol....Brooks...you guys are so wonderful to care about America so much.

What do you guys have next, an article by Cheney?