What's with this Congresswoman Tubbs Jones?

[peaches2003]

I've heard Stephanie Tubbs Jones, Congresswoman from Ohio, campaigning for Hillary before with some very questionable statements, but today takes the cake. Just heard a tape of her on the radio saying that in the picture of Obama in the African clothing he was "wearing clothing of his NATIVE country, that's all". So now they are saying Obama was born and raised in Kenya?? Is she as nuts as Hillary? Obama's native country is the US! How low can they go?

[TexasObserver]

1. She's a Hillary toadie, carrying the Hillary slur against Obama

[K Gardner]

17. This is reverberating. See post #15 and the link there.

[jasmine621]

40. You know, most blacks used to claim Africa as their "native land."

"The Negro National Anthem" even has words to this. Blacks who are born in America used to be proud to claim Africa as their native land because that is where many of their ancestors came from. So what is the big deal?

[cherokeeprogressive]

48. Could it be that Obama himself doesn't claim Africa as his native land?

Hmmm?

[Tatiana]

67. I'm gonna take a wild guess and suggest that you are not black? n/t

[tridim]

2. I think she has agirl disease

She's off her rocker. It's disturbing to say the least.

[otohara]

81. Nevermind

teach me to not wear my reading glasses 24/7

[tridim]

82. not "girl", "agirl"

[thereismore]

3. It was a slip of the tongue. He just seems so ... African, especially to another

African American. I don't get it.

[eleny]

10. Psssst..... I love your avatar!

"The Boys" are my favorites.

[thereismore]

38. Yes, endless source of joy. A touch of a gentler time. nt

[EmperorHasNoClothes]

4. It's worse than that, since he was wearing Somali dress

She's either clueless, or trying to push this meme further. Never mind that if he was a Kenyan (or Somali) native, he couldn't even run for president. What a moran.

[blm]

5. She was always so dignified. I think Hill's CAMPAIGN is pushing her to act like this.

I absolutely have never seen her act so desperately nasty. What the hell kinda talking points are they imposing on the representatives?

[rodeodance]

57. Get a grip. T-J has a mind of her own---Do you know how paranoid you sound?

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5. She was always so dignified. I think Hill's CAMPAIGN is pushing her to act like this.

I absolutely have never seen her act so desperately nasty. What the hell kinda talking points are they imposing on the representatives?

[blm]

59. I know her work for YEARS and she never acted like this, ever. This shit comes from talking points

crafted for the spokespeople slated to be on air - you may not want to believe that SIMPLE ORDINARY FACT, but that's YOUR problem.

[anamandujano]

6. Sounds like she was trying to defend him but that is lost on these

rabid pit bulls.

[rodeodance]

9. This is the 4th thread today---the vile comes out from Obamafolks.

[RiverStone]

54. Hey rodeodance, quit using a broad brush!!!!

Why do you continue to insult every Obama supporter?

If you have problems with specific posters, fight it out with them. Continuing to toss bombs into crowded rooms hurts all of us.

And yes, I have said the same thing to Obama supporters that broad brush ALL Hillary supporters as ------- (whatever).

Chill.... we need to reunify the party after the dance is over.

[peaches2003]

11. Believe me, she was not defending him!

She was continuing with the lame attempt to do exactly what the release of this picture to Drudge was attempting to do. It is sad to see some people ruining their own reputations by staking their own career on Hillary winning the nomination. I think Tubbs Jones hooked her star to Hillary a long time ago and has gone as off the wall as Hillary has.

[rodeodance]

7. Obviously she meant his father's homeland. Anyone can see that except those

ready to throw her under the bus for supporting Hillary.

4th thread

[peaches2003]

14. My father's homeland is England

and no one has ever called it MY NATIVE COUNTRY!

[rodeodance]

19. Intelligent people can recognize that she was respecting obama- albiet she

mumbled the response.

[CreekDog]

43. she said the clothing of his native country

that's not mumbling...he is not, nor is his family from Somalia and that is not their native clothing.

why do you even defend this? :eyes: it just undermines your credibility on everything else you say.

[rodeodance]

55. get a grip!---it was not intentional and you know it. T- J is a good Democrat and too

many are willing to throw her under the bus just cause she supports Hilliary

Joe wilson and Sheila Jackson Lee are under that bus also

[CreekDog]

66. It doesn't add up that it wasn't intentional

And Jackson Lee never said something as bad as that.

How do you get from a photo to saying that it's his native country, that it's his native clothing. It's no more his native garb than it is her own.

[CreekDog]

42. his father is from Somalia? his father was Muslim?

do tell...

[Cha]

8. Did tubb jones say that? Because you

can't run for Prez if you're not a native American and she damn well knows that. All hilary supporters except Kathleen Kennedy Townsend have turned into zombies to get their girl into power.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. No, she didn't say that

[peaches2003]

13. Excuse me but she did

The tape was played TWICE on the radio while I was listening carefully and those were her exact words- "his native country". And then it was discussed that she was wrong and why did she say something like that other than to have people believe something that is not true about Obama.

[MonkeyFunk]

22. Sorry

but you're wrong.

[intaglio]

58. "in his native clothing, the clothing of his country"

MF you are correct in your assertion as far as it goes although the precis given is probably kinder than the original statement. The original statement throws out the two slurs as emphasis for each other.
1) "Native clothing" as in "look at that native"
2) "Clothing of his country" with the deep implication that Obama is not American

This is dirty - very dirty,

You have a brain, MonkeyFunk, please use it. We all know you do not like Obama for what, to you, seem good reasons but there is no reason now to like a campaign that has just gone beyond the pale.

[SoxFan]

20. What she said

"in his native clothing, in the clothing of his country"

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/180147.php

What a schmuck.

[City Lights]

23. she sure did

[K Gardner]

24. The video is front page at TPM. Watch it.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. I did

she didn't say "his native country".

[Egnever]

50. woa denial runs deep

damn my lying eyes.

I couldnt really care less about the comment, but she sure as hell said it.

[MonkeyFunk]

80. She certainly did not say "his native country"

No matter how many times you lie about it, it still won't make it so.

[tridim]

16. McCain was born in Panama..

But apparently Republicans have different rules.

Of course she knows Obama is American born, she's just lying for her candidate. I hope it stops soon because it's damaging our party's image.

[City Lights]

18. She did say "his native clothing," "the clothing of his country," "the clothing

of their nation." Make of it what you will. I'll do the same...:puke:

Josh Marshall has the video so you can listen for yourself.

[K Gardner]

15. Is Tubb-Jones Using House Website to Campaign for Hillary...

www.americablog.com

Tuesday, February 26, 2008

Is Democratic Congresswoman using House Web site to campaign for Hillary?
by John Aravosis (DC) · 2/26/2008 01:02:00 PM ET · Link
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It sure is odd that outspoken Hillary surrogate, Democratic Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs Jones (D-OH) - the person who launched a racist attack on Obama today - has a picture of herself and Hillary on her House congressional office Web site home page. The picture is from an event a year ago. Yet it still remains on Tubbs Jones' House home page as news 12 months later. Perhaps Tubbs Jone's staff is so incompetent that they haven't changed their home page in a year so that it just happens to be promoting Hillary one week before the crucial do-or-die primary in Tubbs Jones' own state, Ohio. Perhaps.

You decide. (Note, it would be a violation of House rules for Tubbs Jones to use her congressional Web site to campaign for anyone.)

[anamandujano]

29. What was the "racist attack" that she launched, pray tell?

[K Gardner]

37. You'll have to ask the people who wrote it at America Blog. I just quoted.

[City Lights]

21. As a Hillary supporter, it appears she'll say anything if she thinks it will

help.

[Cha]

25. And yet these "say anything to help" types

end up making it worse on their candidate and ultimately themselves. These people will have a life after hilary that they will have to hold their head up.

Where did you get your avatar? I like it!

[City Lights]

31. I know. When you lie down with dogs...

I found it through Google images. Feel free to use it. :hi:

[Cha]

35. Thanks, if I can figure out..

I will. I love the whole Sun angle in our futureB-) :hi:

[City Lights]

36. Just drag it to your desktop and then upload it through your profile.

:hi: The rising sun sealed the deal for me. I was comparing three similar images, but I kept coming back to the one with the sun. B-)

[Cha]

39. I hate to bother you but could you please tell me

how does one "drag it to their desktop and upload it to their profile.. sometimes I can be very 'puter challenged. B-) :hi:

[City Lights]

41. Move your cursor over the image. Click your mouse, and before releasing,

move your cursor to your desktop. If it's copying properly, you should see the image moving with your cursor. Once your cursor is over your desktop, release the mouse button. Once it's copied to your desktop, note the name of the image so you know what image to upload to DU.

To use it as your avatar, you'll need to access your profile by clicking on the "Options" button at the top of the DU screen. From there, click the "Edit your profile" link. From there, click the "upload" link in the "Avatar Image" section. Then click the "Upload Image" button. When you click that button, you'll need to select the name of the image you copied to your desktop. Once you've selected the image, click the "JPEG" file button. Click the "Upload File!" button.

If you're not already using a personalized avatar image, you'll need to change one more thing through your profile. You'll need to specify in the Avatar Image prompt that you're using a personal avatar:

Avatar Image
You can choose from following images or upload your own. To use your uploaded avatar, add the following to your avatar box: personal/######.(gif or jpg)

Note the number your profile is assigned and include it in the "Avatar Image" prompt - "personal/######.jpg"

I hope that's somewhat clear. ;-)

Be patient, as my avatar changes haven't always displayed instantaneously.

Good luck. :hi: If you have any other questions, feel free to ask here or PM me. B-)

[Cha]

83. Thank you so mucho, NoSurrender!

Right after I posted for help the electricity went out in part of our town due to heavy snow!!

I'm saving this for when I settle down..I've been out getting batteries and supplies and I just came back to our electricity being back on, YAY!

I've wanted to know how to do this personal avatar thing for so long and there's never been a good time to ask someone until now..thank you and I'll let you know via pm if I can manage your great detailed instructions. :D :hi:

Viva Obama!

[City Lights]

84. You're most welcome, zidzi!

How much snow did you get? Glad your power is back on. I hope you're able to follow my instructions and look forward to seeing your new avatar. Unless I get a PM from you, I'll be watching for it! :hi:

[Cha]

85. We've gotten about a foot so

far(very heavy on the lines) and it's suppose to snow all night..I'm settled in until Thursday and definetly not taking "electricity" for granted.

Thanks, again, No Surrender! :hi: :7

[City Lights]

87. Stay safe, and hope your electricity stays on! eom

[Marrah_G]

27. I think she mistook what "native" means.

[anamandujano]

28. Exactly, like when Irish Americans finally get to Ireland, they call it

home.

[Skidmore]

33. That argument might work if Obama had been born there, but he

was NOT. He was born in America and is a NATIVE SON of this country.

[Skidmore]

30. Tubbs-Jones is a lawyer and a congressperson. She knew exactly what she was saying.

The implication is that Barack Obama is something other than he is, that he is some sort of fifth column-Manchurian candidate with connections to Islam that are somehow nefarious. It is part of that whisper campaign that he's Muslim, went to a madresseh, won't wear a flag pin or put his hand over his heart for the pledge, and is therefore, connected to terrorists. By referring to Somalia and native dress is an oblique reference to the Blackhawk Down incident. Tubbs-Jones' statement was despicable and vile. She meant to inflict harm by playing on words and images associated with hatred and bigotry.

[peaches2003]

32. I hope the people of her Ohio district

are smart enough to realize they have previously voted for either an idiot or a liar and will vote her out in November.

[ellacott]

34. She represents my district

She was hand picked when Louis Stokes retired. She's run virtually unopposed since then. Talk about rock star reception, Stephanie gets that in Cleveland. Her recent behavior has been extrememly troubling for many people in my district. Many feel she is expecting a cabinet position with Hillary.

I don't know if she'll ever be defeated in her distict but she has made it a lot easier with her behavior as Hillary's National Co-Chair.

[madmom]

44. While I'm not an Obama supporter I didn't see any thing negative in

what she said, it didn't raise any flags or any other cliche you might want to use. I didn't think any thing like the native son type thing until I read it here. One thing I do know though is if something as minor as this is said and you are upset about it, the more you protest the more legit it seems. Have you ever heard "ignore it it will go away" If you keep screaming it from the roof tops people will start to think there is something to it.It's called picking your battles. Just my opinion.

[zulchzulu]

51. Maybe she doesn't know that foreigners can't run for President...

...again, she's probably just batshit stupid.

[madmom]

53. I did not see where she was calling him a foreigner, but then again I'm pretty

open minded and tend to give most people the benefit of the doubt.

[AX10]

45. Are Obambots just trying to smear HRC at every turn.

Looks like it.

[intaglio]

64. Check the quote

"in his native clothing, the clothing of his country"

How can that be anything other than a slur? Stating it the way she did takes away the chance that it was a simple slip of the tongue, it is a direct attack.

[yellowcanine]

46. Well whoever she is she has managed to keep this "story" alive for another day.

With HRC friends like these her opponents need not do anything.

[HeraldSquare212]

47. Many Somali ex-pats in Columbus - maybe playing off local prejudices?

Maybe some of you from Ohio who posted on this thread can let us know if the following is correct, posted on Ambinder, from a reader of his:


Reader J.K. writes:

FYI: Columbus (as you know the largest city in Ohio) is home to the second-largest collection of Somali ex-pats in the nation (Minneapolis is first). Columbus' Somali population is in the tens of thousands, and most estimates range from 30,000 to 45,000. As with any large influx of ethnically and nationally distinct people into a largely culturally homogenous area, assimilation efforts have been tough going. From my experience, there is definitely an underlying tension (among white and African Americans alike) regarding Somalis here in Columbus. I'm not necessarily suggesting that this was part of the calculus in pushing the image (indeed, we still don't know for sure who pushed it or why they did), but it is something to think about.


http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/

edit: typo

[zulchzulu]

49. I heard the soundbite and I just think the woman is dumb as a bag of nails

She probably doesn't know the difference between Somalia and Kenya, let alone doesn't know that Obama is an American. Maybe she doesn't know that Obama was born in Hawaii, which she thinks is Japanese.

:shrug:

[robbedvoter]

52. One of my heroes - one of the Florida 14. Like Maxine Waters, Sheila Jackson Lee

spoke up re: Florida electoral votes. Other heroes of mine you are trashing: paul krugman, Joseph Wilson. Just thought I'd keep a running list.

[rodeodance]

56. many of the Obamafolks have thrown lots of Good Democrats under the bus!!

[blm]

61. Clintons threw ALL of us under the bus when they sided with Bush1 and Jackson Stephens

and protected their secrecy and privilege throughout the 90s.

[intaglio]

65. In this case the HRC campaign has had one of it's members dive

under the bus

"in his native clothing, the clothing of his country"

Not a slip of the tongue, for if it was then the second half of the sentence would not have been added. It was a direct attack by a Clinton supporter.

[rodeodance]

68. give your OUTRAGE a time out. Shame on you. She made a mistake.

[intaglio]

86. No, RD she did not "Make a mistake"

She used 2 statements, both denigrating individually and together plain slime and at no time did she hesitate or attempt to change those statements. You criticise the Obama campaign tirelessly but you cannot for one second admit her faults

[Forkboy]

69. Like Ted Kennedy?

[Radical Activist]

60. She'll get a wake up call when her district votes for Obama.

She represents a very Democratic and largely black district in Cleveland.

[Thrill]

62. I was listening to the Warren Ballentine show today

and a lot of the Black listeners from her district were calling in saying there will be hell to pay for her in Ohio. She is going to have a serious primary challenge when she is up for reelection. lol

[ericgtr]

63. You cannot run for president unless you are born in the US

Someone may want to go ahead and point that out to the obviously well educated congresswoman.

[mtnsnake]

70. There's nothing wrong with Congresswoman Tubbs Jones. WTF are you trying to start now??

[cd3dem]

71. They think if anyone says anything but "yes we can" that they are dissing Obama!

I really don't get it! why are they so excited about a guy and yet so embarrassed?

[mtnsnake]

76. It's all just an illusion. It's like the Pied Piper thing.

[FrenchieCat]

72. Just saw her on Hardball...and she simply looks ridiculous, like everything is a joke....

and she butts in and doesn't allow anyone else to talk. She reminds me of that one relative in my family that I don't invite to gathering because I just feel like always saying to her...."Shut up and let other people talk for once!"

[mtnsnake]

75. There isn't a candidate out there who wouldn't want her on their team

What a shame she wasn't running things all along.

Actually, I should've been running things for the Goddess of Peace. Obama would've conceded by now. :smoke:

[FrenchieCat]

78. Sorry.....I disagree.

She's a bit desperate because she picked the wrong horse......and is attempting not to lose face. But she has already, and she knows it...which is why she rarely lets other folks talk, and why she continues to have that silly grin on her face. As a Black woman, I can detect a complex when I'm looking at it.

[K Gardner]

79. She's a bit inappropriate, that's true enough.

[JimGinPA]

73. I've Seen Her Speaking For Hillary On TV Several Times & She Seems Pleasant Enough...

I doubt she's ever been invited to a MENSA meeting though.

[COFoothills]

74. She is slightly less cuckoo...

...than Cynthia McKinney.

[meow mix]

77. shes ok... just kinda like a DU'er for hillary lol.

i like her even with the unreasonable things shes done lately.