"I will be the one".

[cali]

I am so relieved I won't have to vote for Hill.

I would have dragged myself to the polls to vote for her, but I'm thrilled that I won't have to.

She's run a ghastly campaign. I'll never forget her arrogantly stating in an interview: "I will be the one".

No. You. Won't.

I believe Hillary would have been a competent enough President- if she won- but I think we need more than that. We need someone who can engage the American people. I don't think Clinton could possibly have done that.

Yes, she's faced obstacles; a press that been shameless in their nasty, sexist attacks, but Hillary made huge gaffes of her own, one after the other. Ultimately, it wasn't the MSM that took Hillary down, or even Obama. Hillary's own worst enemy was Hillary, and Bill ran a close second.

What surprises me most about Clinton, is how politically tone deaf she turned out to be. And if she's that tone deaf now in the primary, imagine how poorly that would serve her in the general.

In the end, it was simple:

She was not the one.

[Cant trust em]

1. Seems like every time she opens her mouth

and goes negative it only reinforces all of the negative traits that I associate with her. I'm sorry, but I just don't like the woman. She grates on me.

[jgraz]

2. I can't wait for primary season to end to you and I can start disagreeing again

:P

[HCE SuiGeneris]

3. !

:rofl:

BTW -- I have to agree with OP 100% as well...

[cali]

4. well, we can start now. whatcha want to fight about? nt

[jgraz]

18. Whether Obama will win TX by 20 points or 30 points?

[cali]

32. 15 pts

can't you keep up?

[Whisp]

5. she's just making that humble pie higher.

what a disaster she's turned out to be.
I am genuinely surprised at how truly incompetent she is.

[better tomorrow]

6. that's right....Bush said

that HE was the CHOSEN one, remember?

[lojasmo]

7. I am so sick of hearing her damn voice.

God, I can't wait a week.

[ginantonic40]

8. It is really no surprise

at the tone deafness. Hillary has been in the eye of national politics for 16 years without a break. That means no contact with day to day normal life of the average citizen. Instead she has had to constantly defend herself on a public stage. It has got to color your perspective. The combativeness becomes the norm. I can't fault her for that. Put anybody in that position and they'd be lucky to survive as well.

Barack has a more recent attachment to real life. Sure, sure, he and his wife are wealthy but they have lived recently in a world more real to average Americans then Bill and Hillary. I think that gives him a little more empathy. Hence a better campaigner.

[jasmine621]

9. But wait again! Weren't you one of the ones who accused the Clintons

of always saying what people wanted to hear? Responding to polls. Playing to the crowd? Now she is supposed to be "politically tone deaf?" I get it. The Clintons are whatever you want them to be when you want them to be it.

We now need someone who will unify the country by reaching across the aisle to the opposition to get things done. Yet, when Hillary has done this on many occassions, she has been roundly criticized as being "Bush-lite" "a DINO" "pandering," a traitor to the party. But we are now supposed to be ready annoint a nominee who says this is exactly what he is going to do and to do it much more?

[cali]

11. Nope. I've never said any such thing.l Sorry.

try again.

[Voice for Peace]

27. I think there is a difference between the way Hillary has reached across the aisle

and what Obama is talking about.

There is a way to be persuasive without antagonistic, and without sacrificing
or compromising what is right. It requires powerful confidence and certainty.

My impression of Hillary for all these years that she's been in the Senate,
reaching across the aisle, is that she has compromised a great deal, I could
only presume for the sake of political ambition. I have been really disappointed
that she seemed to cozy up to so many on the other side, never calling
them on the huge amount of deceit, bullshit, gameplaying, timewasting,
overspending, lawbreaking, warcrime committing, and so on.

[jlake]

10. Seems like you're just spewing more hatred for Hillary.....what else is new?

[cali]

13. YOU have a monster sized case of cognative dissonance, dear

You are a hater of industrial strength who says that under no circumstance will you vote for Obama, that you'll vote for McCain instead. YOU have called Obama endless vile names. YOU start threads stating that you are "completely done with him". YOU are a spewer and hater.

There's nothing hateful in my OP. I don't call names, like YOU do. I don't say I wouldn't have voted for her, like YOU say about Obama.

You have no high ground, dearie.

[jlake]

14. You are equally hateful - in a more "understated" way.

[cali]

15. not even close.

you're one of the DU top 5 on that score. I don't hate Hillary. I don't hate all of her supporters. I don't endorse vile slime about her. You do all of that re Obama and his supporters.

[jlake]

19. Wow. I doubt I'm in the top 5! And I do not endorse vile slime.

[Labors of Hercules]

23. Who's this person on my ignore list you're talking to cali?

I'm interested... :evilgrin:

[cali]

33. think of an inland body of fresh water

that's bigger than a pond. Does that help?

[Labors of Hercules]

37. yep. Excuse me...

:puke:

sorry... reflex.

[ginantonic40]

16. You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means

Criticism is not hatefulness. I don't know what the writer has written in other posts but in this one all I've seen is critcism.

[Occam Bandage]

26. Nah, you're one of the most hateful people on this board, ever since P2BA and KG got 'stoned.

[jlake]

28. You must have forgotten about ErnestoG....he was the nastiers person EVER on here.

[Occam Bandage]

29. Yeah, I try to keep away from the fuckstick Clinton-bashers.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

17. Your intense hatred for Obama -- and his supporters -- has made you delusional.

[Dogmudgeon]

12. This election will receive much more scrutiny than the 2000 election

We will have not only Obama v Clinton, but the McCain v the Democrat. (Hillary still has a chance, but it's rapidly shrinking -- still, it makes no sense to call any probability 100%.)

Several university institutes of journalism and communication -- e.g., Annenberg at University of Pennsylvania, and the Columbia School of Journalism -- do extensive content analysis of speeches, ads, press comments, and what is called "metacommunication". Academic critical theorists and media ecologists comprise another body of analysts. In a year or two, we should actually know who spun what and by how much, and have quantitative data.

The interesting thing about this primary season is how much more active and vindictive the press and the "surrogates" have been than the actual candidates, on BOTH sides. I don't recall it ever being this intense in a primary, and it probably surpasses the media's promotion of Bush in the 2000 general election as the man America wanted to drink beer with. Both Team Clinton and Team Obama can make long lists of particulars; those lists would even leave out a great deal of side issues.

Each of the campaigns has had their strengths and weaknesses -- and Hillary's has been plagued with both bad luck and dumbass blunders -- but campaigning errors have been commonplace for centuries. The commentary override is what is new.

I am not alleging a press conspiracy; simply that they have acted like a surrogate for the voters, as high-powered kibbitzers, strongly motivated by the desire to increase ad revenue, speaking for us, never realizing that they have been perversely "voting" unofficially. Whether this is helping or hurting your candidate, it has the potential to come back and bite us all in the proverbial ass -- and draw blood.

--p!

[antigop]

20. Did I miss something? When did Obama become the nominee?

Full disclosure: I'm anti-Hillary, but that doesn't make me pro-Obama.

[cali]

21. The writing has been on the wall since Wisconsin

He's now ahead in TX and only 5 or 6 pts back in OH. He's going to win by 30 pts here in Vermont. Looks like she'll take RI, but that may well be it. If she wins OH, it'll only be by a very few pts. Bill has said she needs to win both TX and OH to get the nomination.

[antigop]

24. Well, I personally don't count my chickens before they hatch.

Again, I am DEFINITELY NOT a Hillary supporter.

I'm not counting on anything at this point.

[cali]

31. It's not about counting chickens. it's about seeing what's right in

front of one's eyes. Barring a miracle, Hillary is out of it.

[antigop]

34. As I said, I'm not counting on anything. n/t

[MadAndy]

22. Ah yes, the famous "It will be me" interview with KC. When asked, surely you've considered that

you might not be the nominee, she replies "No I haven't!. Bwahahahaha! Talk about jinxing yourself. Priceless.

[superkia]

25. Elections have been stolen in the past, dont be too sure. NT

[genie_weenie]

30. I'm voting Obama!

Even though it reinforces my control by the Federal Mafia err Government. I hope Obama gets the troops out by 2009.

But I also read http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/02/24/7261/">Howie.

[AGirl]

35. god, you are such a dipshit.

[cali]

36. right back at you, but you're far worse a thing than that, dearie

I can't say what I think YOU are. use your paltry little imagination. YOU are the one who won't vote for Obama under any circumstance and that makes you a lousy democrat. I'll be delighted to see the end of YOU on DU.