Clinton's New Charge - "He Dramatically Oversimplifies"

[sloppyjoe25s]

Just in an interview an hour ago - Mrs. Clinton is taking on a NEW line/approach/charge in a bid
to alter the Obama Momentum:

She is now saying that the KEY problem with Barack Obama is that he "Dramatically Oversimplifies Problems"

The question:

Does Barack Obama "Dramatically Oversimplify Problems?"

Is this his "key undiscovered weakness?"

Will this latest NEW angle gain more traction than Mrs. Clinton's earlier charges, which have not seemed
thusfar to blunt Obama's momentum?

[CreekDog]

1. Oh the humanity

We are soooo doomed! :eyes:

[iconocrastic]

9. I think her statement lacks nuance

[Abacus]

17. lol! nt

[CreekDog]

32. I think her statement includes dramatic use of adverbs

:shrug:

[NC_Nurse]

25. LOL!

:rofl:

[pbca]

2. This is as opposed to yesterday's

"Abandon All Hope" meme? It's a little better, but the reality is that people like simple - the more complicated you make things sound the less likely the public is to get behind it.

[griffi94]

21. i agree with what you say

unfortunately i think that's a lot of why we're in the supreme mess we're in now. bush liked to keep things simple too, but the sad reality is that there aren't any "simple" solutions. it's a real shame that the world needs complicated answers and positions. it's even more of shame that between facing that reality and voting for the most feel good slogans, the american people seem to prefer the slogans.

[pbca]

27. I think that it's not what it appears

most people have - work, kids, communtes, housework, ... all the things that make life busy. They vote for smart people who they want to solve problems and they don't want to hear the details: If they call a roofing company they just want the roof fixed, they don't care how the tar is mixed - so they want to know your general position on issues, they generally don't want to know what line 42, subsection B, paragraph 4 says. They they get cynical because people keep putting ugly loopholes in that paragraph, but they still don't want to read or fully understand the entire bill - just how it's going to help them get health care.

[griffi94]

37. that may be

exactly right, the problem is that by not finding out the details, you don't exactly know what you've bought until it's too late. i again point to the bush administration, i firmly believe if we could re-do the 2000 election, bush would finsih behind nader and pat buchanon, but we don't get a do over. people deemed him more likable, with a good record for working with democrats (i live in texas and knew all that working well with democrats was bullshit)people wanted integrity returned to the white house, he was a uniter not a divider, a good simple slogan, and the voters ate it up, that's what got us saddled with bush, and i figured he'd be out on his butt in 2004, but then he started a war and the same people who deemed him likable, decided he was the man to win the war. now i personally believe that most of the people who ever voted for bush really understand that he was an absolute disaster, but it's hard to admit that somebody you've become emotionally invested in is not what they said they were.
i stand by original comment. it's sad that the world is a complex place requiring complex solutions, but there it is.

[pbca]

50. I'm not saying it's a good thing

Just that reading all the fine print and analyzing all the details could easily be a full time job and for alot of people I think it just falls off the map, the things they have to do today take priority and they never find the time.

[sandnsea]

3. She used the word dramatic??

And applied it to HIM?? Well alrighty then.

[BringBigDogBack]

22. Kind of what I was thinking.

[Hestia]

4. Good grief - does everything have to be complicated? Let's see, corportists bad, liberal good...

[polichick]

8. Lol - good grief, what timing! nt

[polichick]

5. Good grief - Hillary needs to focus on what SHE is about...

The problem seems to be that she can only find a voice when someone lends her one. Very disappointing.

[yellowcanine]

28. exactly. The more she talks about Obama, the more she goes down in the polls.

Hillary made the classic front runner campaign error. You need to sell yourself first, particularly when you are up against a lesser known but charismatic candidate. By focusing so much on Obama she actually invited people to look at him instead of her. And they looked at him and are not looking back.

[Renew Deal]

6. Hillary and her lobbyist pals dramatically overcomplicate

[City Lights]

7. She's overdramatic. eom

[pbca]

15. Careful now

You don't want to upset her - this is how it works: She calls people names, drags them through the mud, takes unfair shots at them but if you call her on it she'll cry and if you don't support her that means you're sexist.

Please observe the rules.

[Yael]

10. Charge your opponents as having your weakness.

Drama certainly fits there.

[sloppyjoe25s]

29. Will this backfire on her?

has she oversimplified?

[Yael]

31. Yes, I believe it will

You can't have that many personalities on display in a 4 day period and not have it hurt.

[Kittycat]

11. I think she's running a slogan award contest for her supporters.

First give me a winning statement wins dinner with me? :shrug:

That's all I can think of, for such a lame attempt. She's really losing her edge - she should go back to her crazy mommy dearest shtick from the other day, at least that was comical.

[thereismore]

12. That's hilarious from this drama person. Pot meet kettle? nt

[SKKY]

13. Could it be that YOU dramatically complicate problems????

:shrug:

[FrenchieCat]

14. Kitchen sink strategy item 502........

[polichick]

18. LOL - great cover! nt

[cbayer]

16. So what?

Since when is it not ok to criticize your opponent in the political fight of a lifetime?

Holy shit, people.

[sloppyjoe25s]

19. I agree it's 100% fine for her to try a new approach

but will this one be the key for Mrs. Clinton?

[BringBigDogBack]

20. lololol

jesus christ, theyre clueless....


Instead of giving someone a valid reason to vote for them, this is what they decide to do.

Un. Fucking. Believable.

[nonconformist]

23. That's not new.

That's been a valid criticism of Obama for months now.

[sloppyjoe25s]

24. Will this be the key to getting swing voters?

and independents to her side?

[ericgtr]

26. She's pretty much exhausted all her resources on Obama

at this point it's just become really desperate. Hillary, go down with some dignity for chrissakes.

[caligirl]

30. Keeping the message easy and focused wins elections, Hillary has

always been unable to hold attention to her plans because she thinks everyone must know every teency tiny detail. She is Loooonnnggg winded heavy with detail and thats one more reason she is failing. She boxes herself in, does not allow for others to contribute, and leaves herself more open to attack because she labors over every detail.

[milkyway]

33. That should work.

[global1]

34. This Is One Reason Obama Is Resonating With The Electorate.....

they can understand him and because of this he in engaging them in the process. Most other politicians talk over the electorate's head - keep'em confused - that way they won't know when they are being screwed.

[nonconformist]

35. I feel the opposite.

When a politician fails to provide concrete details, just lofty rhetoric about "change", "hope", and "negotiating", that's when I know I'm being screwed.

[sloppyjoe25s]

36. Do you think Mrs. Clinton is more specific than Obama?

Will this new message work for her?

[nonconformist]

38. She's absolutely more specific than Obama.

She is a policy expert, through and through. She knows what it takes and knows how to be realistic about what can be accomplished.

That's what I want. I want a president who knows full well the magnitude of the shark tank she's getting into, has a firm grasp on the issues and will fight to do what is right. I also want a president who won't roll over in compromise when it comes time to appoint judges. I don't need a savior, I don't need to be uplifted... I need results.

Will it resonate with voters? Hell if I know. It's resonated just fine with at least half of the Democratic party. It's not a message that wins over Republicans, because the last thing they want to see is a liberal, progressive agenda implemented. That's why they're breaking for Obama.

[sloppyjoe25s]

39. Do you think this new message will work?

Will her "specifics" be able to stop his momentum?

Will he be perceived as an "oversimplifier?"

[nonconformist]

40. Why do you keep asking me that after I've answered?

I DON'T KNOW. THIS MESSAGE IS NOT NEW. But it's accurate.

[anigbrowl]

42. One problem: it's not what the voters want.

Those know-nothing bastards.

[anigbrowl]

41. That's a dramatic oversimplification...

More seriously, I agree with the poster above who says she overcomplicates things.

Obama constructs his stump speeches around the purpose and goals of his candidacy. If you support him, you have a clear vision of where you want America to go and the basic means of how to get there. Barack Obama wants you to feel proud to be an American, yay!

Clinton constructs hers around her the quality and reliability of her candidacy. If you support her, you have a clear vision of how she will fight to get America back on track and that she's a tough fighter. Hillary Clinton wants to kick some GOP ass, yay!

I've tried to be as objective as I possibly can with the above statements.

The weakness in the Hillary campaign (IMO) is that deep down, it's about a grudge match with the GOP - the Clinton 2.0 presidency! More features! More experience! More robust! And it's true that a majority of really liked Clinton 1.0, even though it was defective in some respects. I certainly did. But: just because I really liked Clinton 1.0 does not mean I am going to stick the same brand if something new comes along. Her campaign is based on the fatal assumption that voters sympathy is like consumer loyalty.


Let me give you a real simple analogy to this campaign. I was one of the 'early adopters' of the internet as a private consumer, back when that meant installing a pirate copy of unix on a 386 PC. Later, I was a beta tester of the first web browser. I wrote a book about it in 1992 aimed at consumers. Back then the web was about a year old and really primitive, and unless you were in college or some really-forward-thinking corporation, you probably got your net through dial-up. Your typical web page had maybe one small graphic and the rest was blue on gray text. All web pages looked pretty much the same.

Well, one of the first really useful pages on the web was Yahoo - a handy guide to finding other stuff on the web. I glommed onto Yahoo early and gave it my endorsement in the little book I wrote, even though it soon had many competitors. Yahoo was the original and best, in my view. And even though other powerful search/index sites came along - Lycos and so on - I was really loyal to Yahoo. I had a Yahoo email address, a Yahoo home page. I was the loyal and ideal customer, the one who could tell any computer newbie why Yahoo should be their homepage on the www. Yahoo had the experience, feature set, reliability and speed that I considered absolutely critical and stressed endlessly to my corporate clients.

Then one day I heard about 'Google'. I went to www.google.com and laughed at the absurd simplicity of it. One text box, two buttons. Oh, I am going to type what I want into that little box, hit search, and it's just going to give me what I want? Yeah right!! So I typed something in, and hit search.

And that was the beginning of the end for my relationship with Yahoo. Letting go turned out to be much less painful than I expected.

[Vinca]

43. I didn't realize the candidates needed to give exquisitely detailed

plans in every stump speech. I'm afraid if they did, it would be necessary to hand out pillows and blankets at the door. Hillary is groping for a new message . . . again. Apparently she's the one not getting the message.

[burythehatchet]

44. What a coinkidink - Hillary "simply over-dramatizes"

[COFoothills]

46. You beat me to it....

...and I thought I was so damn clever.

[burythehatchet]

47. great minds...and all that

:)

[COFoothills]

45. I think that she simply overdramatizes

just saying

[Thrill]

48. Damn. Talk about the kitchen sink

YAWN

[Exilednight]

49. If you want to draw repugs into the party you have to create bumpersticker slogans, then slowly....

over time they learn and grow.