Is it just me, or nobody won this debate?

[Colobo]

I don't think neither Hillary or Obama won. They did well, but the debate was boring...

[Kierkegaard]

1. It's just you.

n/t

[Skittles]

9. IT'S NOT JUST HIM

it was boring and I did not see a clear winner

[Recursion]

Putting "n/t" in the body kind of defeats the purpose n/t

[MonkeyFunk]

2. It was a pretty bad debate all around

I'd be curious to see the ratings on it - and how many people switched it off partway through.

[Renew Deal]

17. The beginning was slow but interesting.

And then again, so was the rest of it.

[LBJDemocrat]

3. Obama won

And this is coming from someone who once upon a time delighted in trashing Obama in favor of John Edwards, alongside draftmariocuomo.

Obama won decisively.

[Window]

27. Yes. He did win decisively IMO also.

[EFerrari]

32. Obama won because he did not lose. n/t

[Coexist]

4. Obama got the best lines - landed several

Rocknation keeps track -

Rocknation - are you there?

[Skinner]

5. I agree. It was pretty much a draw.

But given the state of the race right now, a draw is a win for Obama.

[Joe the Revelator]

6. Just you dude, Obama knocked it out the park.

[Colobo]

10. He did well, but the debate was... dull...

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

7. MSNBC Won. They Got Their Way.

As far as the voters? We all lost here.

[Yael]

30. In other words, my candidate got "screwed" somehow?

I will wait for the SNL skit this week to see how Hillary thought.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

37. Well, In Other Words That Aren't Mine But Those Of Someone With Warped Perception And No Objectivity

But as far as my words? They stand firm. Both candidates were screwed with here, and MSNBC should be ashamed. The voters lost, because they got tabloid bullshit instead of a real debate.

[Yael]

42. Some of us have watched 20 debates. Our minds are pretty well made up by now on that front.

A debate doesn't mean a presidency or John Edwards would be the front runner.

[Catherine Vincent]

8. Russert didn't give either one of them a chance to win.

Asshat!

[Johnny__Motown]

11. a near draw, but Obama was playing for a draw

[JackBeck]

12. Debate fatigue?

20 freaking debates? I read about them more on here than watching. Just tuned into the last 5 minutes on MSNBC. We're going to be fine.

[sandnsea]

13. Obama won, easy

Remember the first half of it. Hell he won when she brought up SNL. And then that stupid Jewish interruption. He won easy.

[high density]

14. Clinton didn't pull off a clear win

So in that way I think it's more of a loss for her. Obama just had to keep his head above water. He did that and then some.

[Occam Bandage]

15. MSNBC in a rout. They got dozens of soundbites and plenty of "heated moments."

[ProSense]

16. Hillary's NAFTA lie was exposed. n/t

[bigtree]

18. Obama was subdued to the point of boredom

[THUNDER HANDS]

19. if it was a football game, it would end up 17-9 Obama

He scored a touchdown on health care. He scored a touchdown on the "ditch" line about the Iraq war vote. He got a field goal with the Farakhan judo move.

Clinton just got a series of field goals on a bunch of little things.

[Blue_In_AK]

20. I don't think anybody really came out on top.

We've heard all this stuff before.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

I think they are both tired?

this campaign is going on tool long

[gateley]

21. Slight edge to Obama, although it was a little painful listening to him talk

about Putin's successor. And Hillary had a couple of plusses, but I think Obama won by a little more than a nose.

[mth44sc]

22. All Obama had to do was hold his own

but this debate was a waste of our time.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

23. Farrakhan. Since most of the people wathcing have no clue who he is. I bet a shitload of people are

googling him as we speak.

[gateley]

28. If they don't know who he is, they won't know how to spell his name.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

29. i was joking but If you type "Farra" Google auto-completes it for you. n/t

[gateley]

45. I was kind of joking too -- thinking freepers pluggin in Fairycone or something.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

52. That's his lesser known cousin. He called Quakers bunch of oatmeal eating pansies. n/t

[still_one]

24. I agree /nt

[TexasObserver]

25. Obama won because he made no gaffes, and answered soundly. She made some goofs.

He didn't dazzle, but he made no mistakes. She did, and they only reinforced the perception that she's petty and likes to play the victim.

So, yes, he won, she lost.

[Raejeanowl]

57. Nah

He is going to pay dearly in credibility for the Iraq vs. Afghanistan remark. He'll leave and never invade again if Iraq, a sovereign nation, requests it. However, he'll leave and never invade Afghanistan again only if they don't harbor terrorists. Isn't that the same kind of waffling that served Bush so well, because you can be a sovereign nation and not bow to the U.S., and the U.S. can determine who/what it considers to be a terrorist? And he deferred to her remarks on at least two other foreign policy questions.

He fails to see that she's absolutely right regarding including parents in mandated health care, because if the parents grow ill, they cannot work and more subsidies have to be raised to maintain the children's coverage.

And his co-presidency remarks are just a shell game. Clinton knows what she worked on and where she was included. This did not require her to be in 100% agreement with her husband from a policy standpoint. On the other hand, I fault her deeply for not mentioning how much of Obama's state legislature time was spent campaigning for the next step to the U.S. Senate (while also trying to practice law), and how much of his short tenure in the U.S. Senate has been occupied with running for President. This is a fast track that cries "dilettante."

[Az_lefty]

26. it's not just you, nobody won anything with this.

totally boring...no more friggin debates

[alteredstate]

31. Obama won the debate.

[Wayzom]

34. Obama wins..

Anything other than a complete blowout by Hillary means Obama wins. I think he won anyway. I doubt anyone who watched it would think Hillary did anything to help her chances on Tuesday.

[Yael]

33. Obama won on NAFTA and IWR hands down

[murray hill farm]

35. If it is a draw...

Then it is a win for Obama and a loss for Clinton.

[tammywammy]

36. Obama won

Hillary needed to knock this out of the park and take Obama down and bury him, and she didn't.

[goodgd_yall]

38. I disagree on it being boring.

I thought the debate quite good. They had some tough questions to respond to and they both had grace under pressure. I have to say I may have my perceptions colored because of my candidate choice, but I thought Hillary edged Obama out a little. But I can't really argue with the perception of it being a tie either.

[dchill]

39. Obama on points.

[Cha]

40. Really! 'Cause the msnbc audience thought..

Obama won..

"Obama won, no question- Most voters on MSNBC agree (65%-22%)
Edited on Tue Feb-26-08 10:51 PM by adoraz
This is the very first debate where I strongly feel Barack Obama won. He answered everything very, very smoothly and had some great moments. Clinton had some moments, but overall she had some very low moments that I felt hurt her. Some of these:
-Not pronouncing name correctly
-That ridiculous comment about going first in the beginning
-Obama's response to her on rejecting"..

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[anamnua]

41. Hillary won hands down. nt

[Kittycat]

46. You forgot your SNL smiley with that response.

:spray: It was a tilt to Obama. HRC came off angry, and fumbled a couple of times. The SNL comment was just immature and out of line.

[McCamy Taylor]

43. McCain won. MSNBC used the "debate" as an excuse to air muck and innuendo and

rumor and to try to pick fights. It was disgusting. Isn't dog fighting illegal?

:puke:

[Abacus]

44. I honestly thought

Obama won. It looked to be swaying towards Hillary on the open with the health care discussion (despite the first question nonsense). Then Obama scored on NAFTA & foreign policy helping to shift the debate momentum. Hillary's parsing of "rejection" versus "denunciation" was awkward and a little petty, followed by a classically deflating response from Obama. She should know by now not to walk into those. Her strength is policy discussion; Obama makes her look silly when she starts getting into tit-for-tat. I thought it was a good finish for both, but overall Obama maintained the lead.

[Abacus]

53. I forgot to add

that the "fighter" identity seemed to work well for her. I believe it was David Gergen who suggested this as a far better strategy than "experience" candidate after the CNN debate.

[scheming daemons]

47. BORING means that Obama won..... trajectory of the race doesn't change...

...

[FrenchieCat]

48. Obama clearly won on so many levels, it ain't even funny.

[thevoiceofreason]

49. It's just you.

Barack whipped her badly.

[Connie_Corleone]

50. I thought Obama was better on foreign policy than Hillary.

I thought that was key since Hillary wants to boast about being "experienced" on foreign policy.

He bested her on that issue tonight.

[Raejeanowl]

56. I Think That's Where He Did The Worst n/t

[Renew Deal]

51. Obama clearly won.

He had a very good night.

[Raejeanowl]

54. Dear God, I Find Myself Agreeing With You

It was pretty much a draw.

[Fox Mulder]

55. I felt like I was going to fall asleep during the debate.

[AtomicKitten]

58. I thought Obama finally won a debate tonight.