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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:14 AM
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Obama's religious dilemma
smudailycampus.com, TX

Joseph Goddard, Columnist, jgoddard@smu.edu
2/27/08

Since Barack Obama entered the national spotlight in 2004 and more recently into the presidential race, there have been questions raised about his religious heritage. Some have voiced concerns over his connections to Islam, as his name is Arabic in origin and his father was born a Muslim. However, these claims are unsubstantiated and without much factual evidence. Obama never attended a Muslim school during his childhood as some have claimed, and his father became an atheist before Obama was even born. Today, Obama professes himself to be a Christian, although his religious choices raise a new set of questions about his ideology.

Obama joined Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ in 1988, and has been an active member in the congregation ever since. The church is well known for its size (8,000 members) as well as its recently retired pastor, Jeremiah Wright. Bear in mind that Obama did not simply join this church upon moving to Chicago; it was because of Trinity Church and Jeremiah Wright that Obama began attending church services and became a Christian. Obama frequently cites Wright as his "spiritual mentor," and even borrowed the title of one of his books, "The Audacity of Hope," from one of Wright's sermons. After Obama was elected to the U.S. Senate in 2004, Wright was one of the first people he thanked in his victory speech. If what Obama says about his religious convictions are true, then Wright has undeniably played an integral part in the senator's life. Considering the pastor's views on various issues, this strikes me as a very troubling issue.

Jeremiah Wright is not a minister who avoids controversy. He has compared modern day Israel to South Africa during the period of apartheid, and likened the Zionist movement to racism. In reference to Sept. 11, Wright stated that the attacks were a result of the United States' "violent" policies toward African Americans - implying that America got what it deserved.

While these statements are alarming enough, Wright has also had long and disturbing ties to Louis Farrakhan, the leader of the radical Nation of Islam movement. Unfortunately, I do not have enough room in this column to reiterate all of the hateful rhetoric that Farrakhan has espoused over the years about whites, Jews, gays and almost every group of people that is not black and Muslim. But his remarks have been condemned by a myriad of organizations over the years, from the Anti-Defamation League to the United States Senate.
However, Farrakhan's history of bigotry and intolerance has not been a deterrent to Jeremiah Wright, who visited Libya with him in 1984 and just last year praised Farrakhan for his honesty and integrity while awarding him the Dr. Jeremiah A. Wright Award for "truly epitomizing greatness."


http://media.www.smudailycampus.com/media/storage/paper949/news/2008/02/27/Opinion/Obamas.Religious.Dilemma-3236828.shtml
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AX10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:15 AM
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1. We all can agree that Farahkahn is an evil bastard.
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:16 AM
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2. Pastors do and say crazy shit. That doesn't mean their followers are like them.
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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:21 AM
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4. He was Obama's spiritual mentor....
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 01:26 AM by Demagitator
Obama frequently cites Wright as his "spiritual mentor,"
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:31 AM
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14. so you are saying that
obama has been corrupted by his spiritual adviser? what proof is there that he has been?
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katandmoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:43 AM
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19. The mere fact that Obama is so attracted to this man's "teachings"
indicates that he has been subtly corrupted by them. Obviously, Obama finds nothing wrong with them, or he wouldn't be so devoted to Wright. And that is very troubling.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:44 AM
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:47 AM
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23. It is now racist to question St. Obama?
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:12 AM
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30. You nominated this thread
We have evidence
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:22 AM
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33. "'We' have evidence"
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 02:23 AM by jackson_dem
"We"? Nice slip...
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:25 AM
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34. The internet is really revealing
So yes me and the internet.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:25 AM
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35. On second thought why give the Obamite thugs something to alert on
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 02:26 AM by jackson_dem
Welcome to my ignore list. Take your thuggish policing of Obama criticism elsewhere.
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jackson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:45 AM
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21. Usually, if you are repulsed by what a pastor says you leave that church...
Surely that is what an "agent of change" would be expected to do rather than remain a silent witness.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:11 AM
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29. You did nominate this thread
I have proof
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Recursion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:19 AM
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3. Jimmy Carter is not a Sunday School teacher who avoids controversy.
He has compared modern day Israel to South Africa during the period of apartheid, and likened the Zionist movement to racism.


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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:24 AM
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5. Hey,..... Good LUCK with your GEORGE W. BUSH LIBRARY!!!!!!!1
YOUR CAMPUS ROCKS LIKE YOUR NEWSPAPER

WHEN ARE THEY BRAKING GOUND??

You do all realize where this link comes from?
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Tarheel_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:27 AM
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8. Oh Snap! thanks for pointing that out....
as they say, "consider the source". Good catch.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:30 AM
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12. Gee, No Axe to grind? The GWB library award for this thread
I an't anyone's pet Goat.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:26 AM
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6. I don't get it
on a night like this, you're pulling links from FUCKING right wing site
putting in our face and reminding us about how the Republicans will eat him
alive.....:wtf:

Are you really a Democrats or just a troll that don't give a shit about whats
important to the democratic party.
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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:37 AM
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16. I think it is not relevant....
where the article came from. I know for a fact that; for example, here in New York that Farrakhan has a powerful influence on the black media stations.

I am not black, so I'm not sure what the average black person thinks of Farrakhan, but as a half Jew, you can rest assured -- this sort of stuff will guarantee that the Dem's will not get the Jewish vote, if Obama is on the ticket.

I support Hillary.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:46 AM
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22. Obama isn't anti-Jew just because his pastor is.....
....any more than Catholic Democrats are pro-life just because the pope is.


Silly argument.



If you think he's anti-Jew, you need to think LONG AND HARD what a McCain administration will mean.
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Hutzpa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:51 AM
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25. No shit!! I wouldn't have known
until you mentioned it, you said pulling this link from a RW website is irrelevant
are you shittin me....then we have nothing to discuss then.
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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:08 AM
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27. On left wing radio stations
...old Obama speeches are played in which he praises him; and the host of the radio show -- is huge Farrakhan fan -- so it is not just right wing media.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:26 AM
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7. I'm a catholic, but I disagree with my pastor on abortion....


Just because Obama goes to a church (8,000 members!), doesn't mean he agrees with them 100% of the time.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:28 AM
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9. I THINK YOU SHOULD PUT THIS IN THE LIBRARY
FOR YOUR UNIVERSITY.


I LOVE YOUR LINK.... I SAW IT ON THE INTERNETS!!!!
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:31 AM
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13. Shelve it next to
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:42 AM
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18. ANYONE HIT AN ALERT ON THIS FRIKING THREAD? They attacked Hillary also
The George Bush University of Bullshit
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:28 AM
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10. this obama-wright-farrakhan is nonsense
it`s a creation of people who have nothing of real substance to attack a candidate on so they attack his minister...
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:30 AM
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11. Junk
What a heap of nonsense. These points were put to Obama at the MSNBC debate this evening (Tuesday 26), and he emphatically disavowed Farrakhan and his anti-semetic attitudes...but the article fails to even mention that the issue was discussed. It is no more than propaganda; this is one of those articles that will leave the reader less informed than they were before reading it. Mr Goddard is a poor advertisement for SMU's political science course.
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Demagitator Donating Member (236 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:56 AM
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26. Analyze This: Obama finally starts making his own 'straight talk' on Israel --Jerusalem Post
Edited on Wed Feb-27-08 01:57 AM by Demagitator
Calev Ben-David
Feb 26, 2008

His father and stepfather were Muslims. His middle name is Hussein. He attends a church whose pastor has been critical of Israel and Zionism. He once sat alongside Edward Said at an Arab-American community event in Chicago.
Sen. Barack Obama (right)...Sen. Barack Obama (right) dressed as a Somali elder during a visit to Kenya in August 2006.

And, as we now know, thanks to the most recent e-mail smear campaign against the Democratic front-runner for president, he looks darn good in a turban.

It is this circumstance that has created uncertainty among some sectors of American Jewry (and in official Israeli circles as well) regarding Obama - not an imaginary past that supposedly had him trained in an Indonesian madrassa to be an Islamic Manchurian candidate, but the lack of a real past when it comes to Middle East affairs, at least in comparison to the likes of Hillary Clinton and John McCain.

Will any of this make much real difference at the polls next autumn? Not likely. McCain may well do better among American-Jewish voters than most past GOP presidential candidates. But the Jewish vote, for all the disproportionate media attention it receives, is not much of a factor nowadays in potential "swing" states on which presidential elections turn, with the possible exception of Florida.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1203847475169&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:33 AM
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15. Bee. Meet Ess. Bee Ess. 'Nuff said.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:37 AM
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17. Say, beat that horse some more.... n/t
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 01:48 AM
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24. "there have been questions raised about his religious heritage... Some have voiced concerns..."
Go post this garbage at lucianne.cum or freeptardville.



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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:10 AM
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28. We have people that nominated this thread
I can't believe the filth that creeps in here these days.
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:15 AM
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32. We've been invaded by Rash Limpball Ditto Clones.

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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:29 AM
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36. LOL.....What a great job!!!!..... but its been for a long time
My brother..as we have seen over the years

With my skin and bones that it allowed to be on this site.
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-27-08 02:13 AM
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31. Batshit crazy ministers are almost a cliche -- Obama is and will be fine.
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